Rousey should improve wrestling/double leg to get takedown

[Fantomas187]

Yes, but at least Tate did manage to get Nunes to the ground . How Ronda would have done if she managed to get her to the ground, as she is better than Tate may have panned out differently. Emphasis is getting it to the ground, an as I said even if she doesnt get the takedown from the double/single leg, she ends up in clinch is where she wants to be.

You don't necessarily end up in a clinch after a double, don't know where you get that idea. You can end up in very bad positions.Tate for example got finished by Nunes after shooting and getting sprawled on. Nunes then took her back and choked her out. And Tate has been wrestling since junior high or whatever.

Maybe adding some level changes and a double leg threat could improve Ronda's game a little. But the real problem is her extremely poor striking. It was a total mismatch in there. The fight was over in 48 seconds! The problem is not double legs.

 

[Fantomas187]

I was thinking the same thing, adding a single or double leg to her game. And working on her movement, she stands very straight/stiff, plodding around, like a judoka. Not sure how much sparring she does, but maybe focus on doing more sparring and less pad work

In my expert kbw opinion

Nunes isn't exactly Willie Pep on her feet either. But Nunes has much better range. That's why she was hitting Ronda before Ronda was even thinking of throwing. That's because Nunes has much better fundamentals. More sparring ain't going to fix that. What she needs is better coaching.

 

[Yin Yang]

You don't necessarily end up in a clinch after a double, don't know where you get that idea. You can end up in very bad positions.Tate for example got finished by Nunes after shooting and getting sprawled on. Nunes then took her back and choked her out. And Tate has been wrestling since junior high or whatever.

Maybe adding some level changes and a double leg threat could improve Ronda's game a little. But the real problem is her extremely poor striking. It was a total mismatch in there. The fight was over in 48 seconds! The problem is not double legs.

Yes. Not necessarily you end up in the clinch after a double leg is sprawled on but she can try drag her to the ground or tries to stand back up she at least in contact. Problem is closing the distance and being able to get her hands on them without getting punched in the face continuously. Its getting into the grapple range

 

[NILLI]

Rousey should call it quits the sport has passed her by. Tate understood this. They are mediocre fighters...

 

[Yin Yang]

Rousey should call it quits the sport has passed her by. Tate understood this. They are mediocre fighters...

She probably should call it quits. Point of this thread was more analysing how she can get into grapple range to do what she excelled best....judo.

 

[moreorless87]

Lets be honest Rousey wasn't trying and failing to get takedowns in this fight, as vs Holm she was trying to KO her opponent quickly in the same manner as her latter defences. Basically bought into her own(and Edmonds) hype and gave up on her main skill strength as a result.

 

[Fantomas187]

Lets be honest Rousey wasn't trying and failing to get takedowns in this fight, as vs Holm she was trying to KO her opponent quickly in the same manner as her latter defences. Basically bought into her own(and Edmonds) hype and gave up on her main skill strength as a result.

You just don't know what you are watching. Her last fight against Holm she tried to blitz forward as she usually does and got smashed. So it's reasonable she was hanging back more in this fight. But she was still looking to grab Nunes.

 

[krpv23]

Nunes isn't exactly Willie Pep on her feet either. But Nunes has much better range. That's why she was hitting Ronda before Ronda was even thinking of throwing. That's because Nunes has much better fundamentals. More sparring ain't going to fix that. What she needs is better coaching.

Maybe her fundamentals are bad, I don't anything about boxing. It's possible when she's in the gym her technique looks great... You can't overlook experience, doing pad work and shadow boxing with perfect technique is not necessarily gonna make you better in a real fight, you need the feel/experience of sparring and making adjustments and feedback from the coach

 

[Fantomas187]

Maybe her fundamentals are bad, I don't anything about boxing. It's possible when she's in the gym her technique looks great... You can't overlook experience, doing pad work and shadow boxing with perfect technique is not necessarily gonna make you better in a real fight, you need the feel/experience of sparring and making adjustments and feedback from the coach

Are you suggesting she doesn't spar. Because that would be very surprising to me.

 

[Fantomas187]

Yes. Not necessarily you end up in the clinch after a double leg is sprawled on but she can try drag her to the ground or tries to stand back up she at least in contact. Problem is closing the distance and being able to get her hands on them without getting punched in the face continuously. Its getting into the grapple range

Double leg is not a way to get into grappling range. You should only shoot once you are in grappling range. In wrestling they teach to only shoot when you are close enough to touch your opponent. Shooting from further out is asking for bad things to happen.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

Are you suggesting she doesn't spar. Because that would be very surprising to me.

Who do you think she spars with? Glen Dale Fighting Club is full of kids and one ex boxing champ. I mean she brought in that one boxing chick but that's simply not enough. She needed full time mma trainer partners with experience.

 

[Fantomas187]

Who do you think she spars with? Glen Dale Fighting Club is full of kids and one ex boxing champ. I mean she brought in that one boxing chick but that's simply not enough. She needed full time mma trainer partners with experience.

Maybe her sparring is not the best. Probably isn't if this Edmond is running things for her. But like I said, her whole striking game is rubbish. Sparring alone won't do anything.

 

[Yin Yang]

You just don't know what you are watching. Her last fight against Holm she tried to blitz forward as she usually does and got smashed. So it's reasonable she was hanging back more in this fight. But she was still looking to grab Nunes.

This is what im saying. She is trying to grab her opponent by bum rushing them with her bad boxing. Thats why perhaps using the double leg would be the way to go

 

[Sherm]

When a person gets rocked, they fall back on the reflexes they've honed during whatever training they've had.

We saw tonight that her training is CM Punk-level when it comes to anything outside of judo/armbars.

It's just too fucking late for her to build up her ringcraft. She will only ever fight the best and now they all know how to beat her. You gotta learn the basics against easier fighters.

She reminds me of this guy wearing Zubaz.

 

[Yin Yang]

Double leg is not a way to get into grappling range. You should only shoot once you are in grappling range. In wrestling they teach to only shoot when you are close enough to touch your opponent. Shooting from further out is asking for bad things to happen.

Wasnt saying to shoot double from way out. When she is just within boxing range instead of punching shoot the double. Closing the final distance sees her eating punches froma better boxer

 

[Fantomas187]

When a person gets rocked, they fall back on the reflexes they've honed during whatever training they've had.

We saw tonight that her training is CM Punk-level when it comes to anything outside of judo/armbars.

It's just too fucking late for her to build up her ringcraft. She will only ever fight the best and now they all know how to beat her. You gotta learn the basics against easier fighters.

She reminds me of this guy wearing Zubaz.

It's not too late, she's only 29. I've seen fighters drastically improve after years of being in the game. Especially when they always had poor fundamental previously. Then it's very easy to make big improvements.

 

[Fantomas187]

Wasnt saying to shoot double from way out. When she is just within boxing range instead of punching shoot the double. Closing the final distance sees her eating punches froma better boxer

Just within boxing range is still within boxing range. Not to mention Nunes has better range than Ronda to begin with because of her better boxing fundamentals. Note how Nunes steps with her jab and cross. That's why Ronda was obliterated in there.

If you listen to commentators, especially the ones who were fighters, they will always talk about setting up things with your hands. Got to set up those takedowns. This idea you have that she could go out there and shoot doubles is not how things work. She'll see them coming and easily avoid it. Nunes in her current winning streak has wins over Tate and Sarah McMann who was a freestyle wrestling silver medalist. Yet you say Ronda can train a bit and beat her with double legs.

 

[Takamine86]

You are 100% right TS. Ronda is a judoka. When she can't get her hips inside on her opponent, she is forced to stand with them. She should at least learn to single or double to initiate some sort of grappling against opponents she can't bully. Just get inside. Strikers now know to just stick and move and push her hips. They also aren't charging in like Cat Zing so Ronda can't rely on her opponents momentum to use her judo tosses. Her best bet is learning to shoot for doubles to get inside instead of standing straight up trying to get hip to hip with her opponent via boxing.

 

[cmw43]

This is what im saying. She is trying to grab her opponent by bum rushing them with her bad boxing. Thats why perhaps using the double leg would be the way to go

She's got too much wear on her knees to shoot doubles.

 

[moreorless87]

You just don't know what you are watching. Her last fight against Holm she tried to blitz forward as she usually does and got smashed. So it's reasonable she was hanging back more in this fight. But she was still looking to grab Nunes.

Sorry but ifs you an the 1001 Sherbro's with an agenda who have no idea what they are watching, theres a big difference between trying to get into the clinch under cover of a few punches and actually commiting to big punches and indeed setting yourself up to throw them. Holm for example was able to sidestep Rousey so easily because throwing those power punches commited her to moving in a certain direction where as if Ronda had been looking for the clinch throwing smaller punches it would have been easier for her to mirror Hollys movement.

That's not to say she wasn't looking for the clinch at all of course but it was much less of a focus than he was for her say 2-3 prior to that point.