Rose won’t be appreciated until she’s gone. She’s my all time greatest in WMMA.

[JPOMMA]

He doesn't understand that women don't fight like men, so he's using a predicated comparative analysis that will always leave him wanting.

Pena fought Pennington for the championship - they both look like shit compared to the male champs.

Valentina fought Grasso for the championship and lay n' prayed her for 5 rounds with no issue - terrible fight.

Rose fought Esparza for the title in the worst title fight of all-time.

These are the most skilled women fighters in the world and guess what? Most of them in a vacuum aren't elite at fighting when you compare them to men, they do the best they can based on the fact that women are far less athletic and have a less natural aptitude to pick ups a variety of complex fighting skills.

To him they are all terrible - Valentina, Nunes, Rose; those are some of the best female fighters of all-time. So either he just doesn't like WMMA, which is fine, or he has no understanding of how fighting works for women, which is also fine, but he should think before posting.

Best description of WMMA I’ve ever seen and why some like it and some don’t. Hats off.

 

[pick999]

Rose is going to have a little more dignity at the end of her career.

Penn is remembered for his skidmark record than his prime.

Or when that guy koed him stiff

 

[Greyscale]

She puts a lot of effort into looking ugly, delusional and boring.

 

[Kyojiro Kagenuma]

She holds the title and is a 2 time defending champion. With one more win she probably goes down as greater than Rose, dChamps. the losses. Rose foolishly chose that idiotic game plan against Esparza in a fight she should have won and then to move up a weight class and just be another fighter at flyweight.

Nah, she doesn't go down as greater than Rose in most peoples minds with two losses against her. Title defenses aren't everything. I have JJ over either of them, but JJ was a dominant champ with a long time reign who was very active.

 

[Kyojiro Kagenuma]

Zhang became champ again, Rose had the meltdown.

Uhhh, Rose also became champ again. Over Weili. They're both two time champs.

 

[doggo]

JJ should have won the second fight and clearly underestimated Rose's power, not her elite footwork lol.

 

[PaulieVegas27]

I don't disagree when it comes to her beatdowns of JJ and her wins against Zhang Weili. But at the same time, she was also on the losing end of possibly the worst female fight in MMA history and then tried to justify her BS gameplan. And she's 0-2 against Carla Esparza (said opponent). And has lost to some of the best: Fiorot, Andrade, and Kowalkiewicz (who isn't even that good really).

So while I can acknowledge she may be underappreciated, I do not agree that she is the greatest WMMA fighter of all time.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

I think you’re catastrophising a bit there, no need to be eratic.

Not at all, everything I posted is factual

 

[tasticles]

Don Frye has some awesome moments too. He got his @$$ whipped by Coleman...and several others. He's my all time greatest in MMA

Yeah fans have this bizarre idea that if your fignter ever gets his ass kicked by someone better and stronger, they were never that good.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

You're taking my posts out of context, to "use against me", but you're leaving parts out just like a typical POS. I said "Rose kind of sucks now", Valentina and Nunes became boring because they stopped trying to finish their opponents, as in they used to be a lot better to watch. I said Juliana Pena's striking was comically bad, not herself overall. If you don't disagree then you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, which is fucking stupid and a waste of time.

Rose always kind of sucked though in the way she sucks now, she’s always been a defense first outfighter that mentally cracked under pressure, it’s just gotten worse and worse over time.

Valentina and Nunes didn’t ever stop trying to finish opponents, they just fought higher level opposition which made it difficult to do with their styles (Valentina average kickboxer that is actually a great grappler, Nunes always worried about gassing so if you don’t go after her she coasts).

Peña is relatively bad everywhere, she got armbarred by a smaller Val and guillotine’d by GDR or all people. She’s tough as shit though and with just aggression and a few tools makes up for it somehow.

I’m just trying to get you to understand the context of why they are bad is because it’s WMMA, where the skill/athleticism barrier is incredibly low to entry and there is barely any elite talent, even by female standards.

Sorry for taking you out of context to make my point.

 

[Gamer2k4]

Rose has never had more than 3 wins in a row, she's never defended the title against anyone except the person she won it from, she has a 2:1 win/loss ratio, and her bad fights are REALLY bad. You're basically saying she's your all-time greatest because she had two unexpected KOs against champions, because there's not a whole lot else going for her on her resume.

 

[Streeter]

Rose is the SW goat . The 3 best ever fought twice each n she went 4-0 . You csn argue JJ has the better overall resume and the fact she has many defenses - she may be more decorated as a sw but Rose is the SW Goat n proved it against the best while JJ lost all 4. You can't go 0-4 vs best your weight class has yo offer and be called GOAT.

 

[Alpha_T83]

She had potential but IMO she didn't reach it. She has some confidence issues or some other psychological issues going on that prevent her from achieving her full potential.

 

[Gamer2k4]

Rose is the SW goat . The 3 best ever fought twice each n she went 4-0 . You csn argue JJ has the better overall resume and the fact she has many defenses - she may be more decorated as a sw but Rose is the SW Goat n proved it against the best while JJ lost all 4. You can't go 0-4 vs best your weight class has yo offer and be called GOAT.

This is just MMA math. You aren't considered greater than someone else because you beat them, no matter how many times you've done it. Is Weidman greater than Silva? Is Zingano greater than Nunes? Is Struve greater than Miocic?

Plus, let's actually get some context for these fights. Against Joanna, Rose's two wins were the start of a 2-5 slide for Joanna, which followed a previously undefeated 14-0 record. It's pretty easy to say Rose didn't beat Joanna in her prime. And against Zhang, it was an early finish followed by a split decision - far from a clear case for Rose being "greater," particularly when Zhang has more title wins and is 25-0 in the past decade in fights that didn't involve Rose.

It must make you dizzy to consider fighters like Nunes and Pena, who are 1-1 against each other. By your logic, Nunes beat Pena, so she's obviously better, but Pena also beat Nunes, so SHE'S obviously better. At some point you've got to admit there's more to greatness than one fighter's record against another fighter.

 

[Streeter]

This is just MMA math. You aren't considered greater than someone else because you beat them, no matter how many times you've done it.

This makes zero sense. I get it man you're a Rose hater like many but wtf. Rose fought the 2 other best ever sw fighters in wmma history knock both out n beat both twice. . you absolutely tell who is the best when they fight - HOW FFS ELSE DO YOU TELL WHO THE BEST IS? If it's not that what they fuck they fight for.

also NO it's not MMA math . Mma math is saying A beat B - B beat C ....... so A would beat C - that's MMA math man an this isn't it.

All the best fought in SW. - you can argue who the best career or accompliahments are but not the GOAT - that got PROVEN IN THE CAGE 4 TIMES!

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Rose was a great fighter that just lacked activity and consistency

 

[skylolow]

Rose issue has always been in her head. After winning the championship things went sideways upstairs. I think in a nutshell she lost the love of the sport and the main reason she was fighting. It then turned into a job for her and at that point she mentally became weak. You could argue similar to BJ PENN at one point.

But when she was all in, one of the best to ever do it no doubt.

 

[RockyLockridge]

JJ should have won the second fight and clearly underestimated Rose's power, not her elite footwork lol.

JJ is my WMMA goat.

Rose is the SW goat . The 3 best ever fought twice each n she went 4-0 . You csn argue JJ has the better overall resume and the fact she has many defenses - she may be more decorated as a sw but Rose is the SW Goat n proved it against the best while JJ lost all 4. You can't go 0-4 vs best your weight class has yo offer and be called GOAT.

Never in a world where joanna exists. Rose couldn't even win 5 fights in a row at straweight. Joanna fought better fighters is better against the same competition and has more exciting fights reguarly than rose.

and remember, roses rematch wins against joanna and weili are both split decisions. Joanna's first lost to zhang also a split decision.

 

[marvinparsons]

Rose is like Leon Edwards and BJ Penn rolled into one. Has Edwards' passive style and technical ability and BJs knack for amazing wins and boring/bad losses.

She'll be a "what if" as much as anything because at her best she's as good as anyone in WMMA at her weight class. But she hasn't brought her best all that often.

 

[Local Plata]

Pat Berry's fault. She sounds like she's in a cult now.