Rogan STILL says Herb Dean messed up in Hill vs Pereira KO

[FreedomCricket]

You guys just need a reason to hate on Joe.

The fact is, Herb called timeout but then didn't take proper control over the situation. This wasn't some crazy fuck up by Herb but he should have communicated more clearly and properly reset the fighters.

 

[FreedomCricket]

I rewatched the fight last night. Pereira was raining down hammer fists on Hill right before the stoppage. He would only have absorbed more brain damage had Herb Dean not stepped in.

Herb Dean has made many questionable calls over the years. This was not one of them.

The stoppage is legit. The way it got to Hill being knocked down is the questionable scenario.

Herb didn't handle the timeout for the groin shot properly. Period.

That isn't a debate. He called timeout then let Alex continue to fight.

 

[Neck&Neck]

It was a funny ass KO, the way Hill fell, lol
They should do a non title rematch, just to shut Hill up

 

[Fedora Millionankles]

alex took the foul as an opportunity to get closer in range. when herb made the timeout gesture with his hands, Alex encroached. that literally happened. Before herb tried to step in he wasn’t in range for the left hook. When Alex motions herb to move back he’s then in range for the left hook. I’m happy Alex won cause Hill is insufferable but that’s the sequence that went down.

And none of it matters. Hill could have angled out, used lateral movement, clinched, etc but didn’t. He chose to engage at that range, threw a punch that Alex countered, and was KO’d.
If one little hop into range is all that was needed to end his night, he really had no chance regardless.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Alex did take a step into range when herb dean was about to call the break. that legitimately happened. Whether or not you think Hill loses either way doesn’t change the fact Alex snuck into range at that moment when he pushed herb back and Hill stood still because he thought Herb was gonna call a break.

Bit of a problem with this narrative. Hill created distance BY fouling Alex, which Alex then corrected with the hop forward, and then stayed still there. The reason they looked so close afterwards was not actually because they were closer, but because after Herb ushered them to continue, Alex kept stepping forward, while Hill (who started moving first, mind you) started stepping sideways, allowing the distance to be closed immediately. In fact, Alex even, after the hop and pause, actually took a backstep when Herb said continue.

Distance they were at right before Hill throws the foul.

Distance when Herb says continue

What did Hill get cheated out of here?

 

[snaportap21]

And none of it matters. Hill could have angled out, used lateral movement, clinched, etc but didn’t. He chose to engage at that range, threw a punch that Alex countered, and was KO’d.
If one little hop into range is all that was needed to end his night, he really had no chance regardless.

Hill threw that punch after alex had encroached in range. Alex was slick, but he used the moment to get favorable distance and Hill didn't pick up on it due to Herb's reffing at that moment. you're underestimating the importance of maintain the correct distance against a power puncher. it only takes a split second mistake for one's lights to go out. There's a reason why Holloway also felt the same way about situation.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

You guys just need a reason to hate on Joe.

The fact is, Herb called timeout but then didn't take proper control over the situation. This wasn't some crazy fuck up by Herb but he should have communicated more clearly and properly reset the fighters.

Nope, he said stop, then he said continue. The fighters were out of range. No reset needed or called for.

There is no debate. The fighters were told to continue. That is the reset. That has always been the reset. That is all that is necessary, is to be told to continue. Because that's how it happens in every fight where the fighter immediately calls for no stop.

 

[Fedora Millionankles]

Hill threw that punch after alex had encroached in range. Alex was slick, but he used the moment to get favorable distance and Hill didn't pick up on it due to Herb's reffing at that moment. you're underestimating the importance of maintain the correct distance against a power puncher. it only takes a split second mistake for one's lights to go out. There's a reason why Holloway also felt the same way about situation.

Look at the post above yours, there’s literally no difference in the range from before the foul to after.
If Hill wanted to maintain a specific range outside of Alex’s punch, he would have been kicking and avoided all boxing exchanges. He chose to throw a punch and got countered. End of story.

 

[snaportap21]

Bit of a problem with this narrative. Hill created distance BY fouling Alex, which Alex then corrected with the hop forward, and then stayed still there. The reason they looked so close afterwards was not actually because they were closer, but because when Herb ushered them to continue, Alex kept stepping forward, while Hill (who started moving first, mind you) started stepping sideways, allowing the distance to be closed immediately. In fact, Alex even, after the hop and pause, actually took a backstep when Herb said continue.

Distance they were at right before Hill throws the foul.

Distance when Herb says continue

What did Hill get cheated out of here?

Show the full sequence if you're gonna post gifs. Hill is farther away when the kick is thrown. The first gif stops before Hill takes his full step backwards and throws the kick and then gets put on the fence because alex takes a clear step forward as herb says stop.

 

[snaportap21]

Look at the post above yours, there’s literally no difference in the range from before the foul to after.
If Hill wanted to maintain a specific range outside of Alex’s punch, he would have been kicking and avoided all boxing exchanges. He chose to throw a punch and got countered. End of story.

watch the full sequence. the first gif cuts off before hill takes his full step backwards. Hill is farther away than he is in the gif when he throws the kick. And when Herb is calling time alex

encroaches

I couldn't find a gif of the kick, but i found a gif of alex encroaching when herb is calling time. Hill keeps his lead hand low so he probably was gonna get hit by the left hook anyways, but Herb could have done a better job in the situation.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Look at the post above yours, there’s literally no difference in the range from before the foul to after.
If Hill wanted to maintain a specific range outside of Alex’s punch, he would have been kicking and avoided all boxing exchanges. He chose to throw a punch and got countered. End of story.

Hell, I'd argue they were even further from each other.

Look at how tight their arms are extended to touch here and where the center of Alex's base is compared to Hill's (which is just slightly off camera)

And look at how extended their arms are here and how far their centers are.

Hill got MORE distance because of the foul, not less. So I don't know what bullshit everyone is spewing about some cheat hop taking up all the space.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Show the full sequence if you're gonna post gifs. Hill is farther away when the kick is thrown. The first gif stops before Hill takes his full step backwards and throws the kick and then gets put on the fence because alex takes a clear step forward as herb says stop.

Yes, he got distance because of a foul which he's not entitled to, and Alex was already starting his hop when Herb said stop, so pretending Alex did some kind of cheat here is disingenuous bullshit.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

watch the full sequence. the first gif cuts off before hill takes his full step backwards. Hill is farther away than he is in the gif when he throws the kick. And when Herb is calling time alex

encroaches

I couldn't find a gif of the kick, but i found a gif of alex encroaching when herb is calling time. Hill keeps his lead hand low so he probably was gonna get hit by the left hook anyways, but Herb could have done a better job in the situation.

So I ignored the hop, but you're not ignoring the part in this sequence where Alex takes a backstep after it too?

 

[snaportap21]

Yes, he got distance because of a foul which he's not entitled to, and Alex was already starting his hop when Herb said stop, so pretending Alex did some kind of cheat here is disingenuous bullshit.

Alex clearly gets closer in range when Herb calls time. There's a reason why holloway said herb could have done a better job.

 

[Luckyme]

The stoppage is legit. The way it got to Hill being knocked down is the questionable scenario.

Herb didn't handle the timeout for the groin shot properly. Period.

That isn't a debate. He called timeout then let Alex continue to fight.

Right after Pereira waved off Herb Dean, him and Hill touched gloves and resumed fighting. Hill was in the midst of throwing a left hook when Pereira knocked him out. It's not like Hill got KOed while standing around thinking there was a timeout.

Whether or not Herb Dean handled the timeout properly has no bearing on the outcome of the fight.

 

[AstralPanda]

This guy has the WORST takes of all time

Rogan understands subtleties of distance, because he's been involved in many TKD fights.

That was definitely a significant moment which initiated Pereira's ability to bridge the gap.

I don't think anyone is arguing that Pereira still wouldn't have won.

But Herb definitely should've properly reset them with more clarity.

In a game of inches, especially at such an elite level, those subtle things matter. Sherdoggers aren't exactly adept at noticing subtle tangents.

 

[snaportap21]

So I ignored the hop, but you're not ignoring the part in this sequence where Alex takes a backstep after it too?

Alex's lead leg is in the same position of that backstep, though and it was his lead leg that got closer to hill.

 

[snaportap21]

Rogan understands subtleties of distance, because he's been involved in many TKD fights.

That was definitely a significant moment which initiated Pereira's ability to bridge the gap.

I don't think anyone is arguing that Pereira still wouldn't have won.

But Herb definitely should've properly reset them with more clarity.

In a game of inches, especially at such an elite level, those subtle things matter. Sherdoggers aren't exactly adept at noticing subtle tangents.

Thank you, at least someone gets it.

 

[El Fernas]

Hill messed it, period.

 

[El Fernas]

Rogan understands subtleties of distance, because he's been involved in many TKD fights.

That was definitely a significant moment which initiated Pereira's ability to bridge the gap.

I don't think anyone is arguing that Pereira still wouldn't have won.

But Herb definitely should've properly reset them with more clarity.

In a game of inches, especially at such an elite level, those subtle things matter. Sherdoggers aren't exactly adept at noticing subtle tangents.

Hill comitted the foul...