Crime Riot+Looting in Ferguson, MO

[AviatorShades]

As for the black thing? Yeah if this had been an unarmed white kid there'd be no need for a protest as heads would have rolled almost instantly.

Do you sincerely believe that or are you just looking for a reaction?

I see americans always typing stuff like this but to me it just seems like whites trying to deal with their lack of power with denial and delusion. Assuming you're white.

When the police abuse you like they did with Kelly Thomas there is no "rolling of heads". That was an extreme case, most of them go unreported. Like I mentioned earlier, a white-looking hispanic kid was shot to death for making a scene on a car hood by a nervous cop near me a while back and a local paper reported it. That was it. No punishment. No outrage. If the kid was black there would have been massive riots.

You are the overwhelming victims in interracial crimes. It's not close either. You're being raped/murdered en masse in a one-sided exchange and you in turn apologize for it. Only rogue white nationalist websites bother reporting the cases. The mainstream media sits through tens of thousands of black-on-white murders and rapes annually and waits for the rare man-bites-dog novelty crime the other way around.

People focus a lot of attention on the physically unhealthy lifestyles of Americans but what about your mental health. You have made up an entire fake reality via journalism where "heads roll" when whites are killed and blacks are "powerless", when the statistics show the exact opposite is true in the most extreme way imaginable.

Spend a week without watching corny American TV and see how much your view of the world changes.

 

[Goonerview]

Yeah, you being a white guy in Japan definitely makes you qualified to make sweeping generalizations about the African American experience.

I've been stopped by police in England, too and I'm not even talking specifically about African Americans.

All I'm saying is that most of the time, if you co-operate with police, they leave you be and have no reason to shoot you. Am I wrong??

 

[Just a username]

I've been stopped by police in England, too. I'm not even talking specifically about African Americans.

All I'm saying is that most of the time, if you co-operate with police, they leave you be and have no reason to shoot you. Am I wrong??

There's a lot of history between the black community and the police and it's not going to diseappear within a generation. Of course it's always more beneficial to co-operate with the police, but it's not as simple as that.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Admittedly, I'm basing my opinion on the London/British riots that happened a couple of years back. With Mark Duggan getting shot by the police and people looting and rioting across England.

But, logically speaking, "I'm going to steal some nike sneakers because the police shot a kid" doesn't really make any sense.

Yeah the looting and rioting is stupid and counterproductive imo but the motivations behind it have merit. I wouldn't expect you to know this tho because you are from England/Japan and haven't had the same experiences.

 

[Goonerview]

There's a lot of history between the black community and the police and it's not going to diseappear within a generation. Of course it's always more beneficial to co-operate with the police, but it's not as simple as that.

Perhaps, but this just feels like a cop-out, you're in danger of clearing individuals of responsibility for their actions and giving people "moral immunity" to act like an arse ... cuz history!!. Most of those caught rioting/looting were born in the 1990s.

Hey, the cops asked him for his I.D. once. He knows what's up.

Actually a few times and I did feel racially profiled as I was the only one stopped in a crowd full of Asian people. But hey, it was never a big deal, because I co-operated. If I had made a scene, started pushing the police officer, running away and resisted arrest screaming prejudice, I'm sure it would have escalated.

 

[Jack V Savage]

No. It's the other 33,000 posts.

LOL! Pretty pathetic.

 

[CableandThanos]

There's a lot of history between the black community and the police and it's not going to diseappear within a generation. Of course it's always more beneficial to co-operate with the police, but it's not as simple as that.

why is it not as simple as that?

Why does there always have to be (in these situations) a refusal to do what you are told or comments, etc.

If a PO tells you to put your hand behind your back, just do it? If afterwards you feel the arrest or questioning was wrong then file a complaint, get an ambulance chaser lawyer or call The REV Jackson.

Fighting/struggling/armwrestling/resisiting an officer can only lead to worse situations (no one says it should lead to getting shot).

Why in most all of these situations do we hear (even verified by witnesses) that there was some sort of resisting or struggle?

 

[AviatorShades]

Perhaps, but this just feels like a cop-out, you're in danger of clearing individuals of responsibility for their actions and giving people "immunity" to act like an arse ... cuz history!!. Most of those caught rioting/looting were born in the 1990s.

Actually a few times and I did feel racially profiled as I was the only one stopped in a crowd full of Asian people. But, it was never a big deal, because I co-operated. If I had made a scene, started pushing the police officer, running away and resisted arrest screaming prejudice, I'm sure it would have escalated.

Japanese are much more weary of foreigners/ethnic minorities than Americans are.

From what I've seen black Americans have the easiest lives in the world alongside white Americans. If someone can't make it in the conditions black Americans live in, they wouldn't make it anywhere, period.

The "oppressed" narrative seems to come from white Americans (who are notoriously untraveled and think "having it tough" is wearing offbrand turtlenecks) attempting to explain the cultural gaps between them and their black countrymen without acknowledging genetic factors which is a taboo topic there.

It's rather offensive to anyone who has witnessed real oppression.

 

[Gervinho]

Perhaps, but this just feels like a cop-out, you're in danger of clearing individuals of responsibility for their actions and giving people "immunity" to act like an arse ... cuz history!!. Most of those caught rioting/looting were born in the 1990s.



Actually a few times and I did feel racially profiled as I was the only one stopped in a crowd full of Asian people. But hey, it was never a big deal, because I co-operated. If I had made a scene, started pushing the police officer, running away and resisted arrest screaming prejudice, I'm sure it would have escalated.

Funny you are talking about individual responsibility and at the same time talk about black people as one group and want Obama to go out there and have rant about black people. Do you want Cameron to have rants about chavs in UK as well and say its time white people woke up? Why dont you see black people as individuals? You also seem to believe all police are decent guys and as long as you behave ok, you will be fine:icon_lol: You havent seen much from what I can gather from your posts.

 

[Just a username]

Perhaps, but this just feels like a cop-out, clearing individuals of responsibility for their actions and gives people "immunity" to act like an arse ... cuz history!!. Most of those caught rioting were born in the 1990s.

"The past lies like a nightmare upon the present" - Karl Marx

I'm not defending the actions of the looters, much less trying to give those responsible immunity. It's just that you have to understand that resentment and mistrust that's been passed on from one generation to another for a long time will influence the way people act.

 

[CableandThanos]

Actually black kids die at a much higher rate than other kids and no one even blinks an eye. When little black girls are kidnapped or gone missing you don't see it on fox and in the news. But when a little white girl goes missing its the lead story every night.

There is a long history of racially motivated police brutality so events liked this are put in to that historical context. Hence the outrage.

And who do they die most by the hands of?

This of course is the entire premise of why people roll their eyes when situations like this break out. You (NOT YOU PERSONALLY TCK) are up in arms about 1 kid being shot yet you don't say or hold protest for all the black on black crime. This is where you lose a lot of white support.

In my talks with people, I have asked this and have gotten different answers. Some don't know why black people don't protest over what is happening in their own community, some say they want to they just don't know how, some say the shit is just gonna happen and there is nothing that they can do about it (so they are willing to accept the massive amounts of deaths by their own people but when a rare situation like this happens they feel they have to take a stand?) and then I have had the people say flat out, We can't stand by and let a white person get away with it. It's the same thing they say about voting for the mayor in my city. He had been charged/ investigated/convicted- found using city funds to pay for his babbies moms and kids (multiple), yet they kept voting him into office. When asked why, I got a lot of replies of--HEY IF WE ARE GONNA BE FUCKED OVER, WE WOULD RATHER BE FUCKED OVER BY A BLACK MAN.

 

[Just a username]

why is it not as simple as that?

Why does there always have to be (in these situations) a refusal to do what you are told or comments, etc.

If a PO tells you to put your hand behind your back, just do it? If afterwards you feel the arrest or questioning was wrong then file a complaint, get an ambulance chaser lawyer or call The REV Jackson.

Fighting/struggling/armwrestling/resisiting an officer can only lead to worse situations (no one says it should lead to getting shot).

Why in most all of these situations do we hear (even verified by witnesses) that there was some sort of resisting or struggle?

Because there are groups in society that mistrust the police and will not comply in the manner others will. That's the "not as simple" part. Like i said in the post you quoted, it's always much more beneficial to cooperate.

 

[Gervinho]

And who do they die most by the hands of?

This of course is the entire premise of why people roll their eyes when situations like this break out. You (NOT YOU PERSONALLY TCK) are up in arms about 1 kid being shot yet you don't say or hold protest for all the black on black crime. This is where you lose a lot of white support.

In my talks with people, I have asked this and have gotten different answers. Some don't know why black people don't protest over what is happening in their own community, some say they want to they just don't know how, some say the shit is just gonna happen and there is nothing that they can do about it (so they are willing to accept the massive amounts of deaths by their own people but when a rare situation like this happens they feel they have to take a stand?) and then I have had the people say flat out, We can't stand by and let a white person get away with it. It's the same thing they say about voting for the mayor in my city. He had been charged/ investigated/convicted- found using city funds to pay for his babbies moms and kids (multiple), yet they kept voting him into office. When asked why, I got a lot of replies of--HEY IF WE ARE GONNA BE FUCKED OVER, WE WOULD RATHER BE FUCKED OVER BY A BLACK MAN.

Maybe people have different expectations from the police than gang members? Its much easier to understand a drug dealer thing killing your son than a trusted member of society like a police officer?

 

[CableandThanos]

Funny you are talking about individual responsibility and at the same time talk about black people as one group and want Obama to go out there and have rant about black people. Do you want Cameron to have rants about chavs in UK as well and say its time white people woke up? Why dont you see black people as individuals? You also seem to believe all police are decent guys and as long as you behave ok, you will be fine:icon_lol: You havent seen much from what I can gather from your posts.

Black people are individuals, until something happens to one of them by a white or latino or cop, and then all of a sudden it's US.

when trayvon got shot it was -OPEN SEASON ON BLACK PEOPLE

or any incident and you hear talk of how it affects the black community.


When a black person commits a crime--dammit, they are a single individual and doesn't reflect on society as a whole.

When something happens, OHH god it is open season on black people, we need to have racial conferences and talks on how thia hurts the black community.


Now I will say that the media does a good job of promoting this. But When you call bullshit on it you get called a racist.

 

[CableandThanos]

Because there are groups in society that mistrust the police and will not comply in the manner others will. That's the "not as simple" part. Like i said in the post you quoted, it's always much more beneficial to cooperate.

I understand the mistrust, but what good does resisting do them?

It's not like after resisting they are going to go nevermind, I'm just gonna let you go.

My other question, is what can be done to better educate some groups that resisting is not the way to go? I know the cops need to take a roll in this as well. More community outreach, more walking the neighborhoods, etc. I know some of this is hard with budget cut backs.

There maybe needs to be a more kinder gentler police force but how do we get rid of the stop snitching and hey it is ok to resist arrest mentality?

 

[CableandThanos]

Maybe people have different expectations from the police than gang members? Its much easier to understand a drug dealer thing killing your son than a trusted member of society like a police officer?

No one is saying that it isn't easier to understand, but that doesn't let the drug dealer off the hook and is not a reason to stop trying.

That trusted member of society is a human being as well as the drug dealer. They can fuck up and make mistakes, have bad days, lose their cool just like everyone else. I know there is this idea that we pay them not to fuck up but that is just silly, they are going to have bad days, if that bad day leads them to doing something illegal, then they need to pay the price.

Why do we excuse the drug dealer (as in say ohh well not really anything we can do) but kill the guy that was trying to do right and fucked up. And yes if he fucked up he should go to jail, but why are we more worried about sending the good guy who fucked up to jail and ignoring the bad guy who fucks up constantly?

 

[speakhandsforme]

LOL! Pretty pathetic.

You got pwned. He totally pwned you.

 

[Just a username]

I understand the mistrust, but what good does resisting do them?

It's not like after resisting they are going to go nevermind, I'm just gonna let you go.

My other question, is what can be done to better educate some groups that resisting is not the way to go? I know the cops need to take a roll in this as well. More community outreach, more walking the neighborhoods, etc. I know some of this is hard with budget cut backs.

There maybe needs to be a more kinder gentler police force but how do we get rid of the stop snitching and hey it is ok to resist arrest mentality?

Those are really hard questions to answer. The mistrust is ingrained, as is the no snitiching attitude.

 

[CableandThanos]

Those are really hard questions to answer. The mistrust is ingrained, as is the no snitiching attitude.

I know so let's be problem solvers here, instead of just the usual bitching back and forth.

Just a username and cableandthanos are gonna solve society's problems:icon_neut:icon_evil

What would be some of your ideas to help this situation!!

 

[TheComebackKid]

And who do they die most by the hands of?

This of course is the entire premise of why people roll their eyes when situations like this break out. You (NOT YOU PERSONALLY TCK) are up in arms about 1 kid being shot yet you don't say or hold protest for all the black on black crime. This is where you lose a lot of white support.

In my talks with people, I have asked this and have gotten different answers. Some don't know why black people don't protest over what is happening in their own community, some say they want to they just don't know how, some say the shit is just gonna happen and there is nothing that they can do about it (so they are willing to accept the massive amounts of deaths by their own people but when a rare situation like this happens they feel they have to take a stand?) and then I have had the people say flat out, We can't stand by and let a white person get away with it. It's the same thing they say about voting for the mayor in my city. He had been charged/ investigated/convicted- found using city funds to pay for his babbies moms and kids (multiple), yet they kept voting him into office. When asked why, I got a lot of replies of--HEY IF WE ARE GONNA BE FUCKED OVER, WE WOULD RATHER BE FUCKED OVER BY A BLACK MAN.

In order to understand why african americans get so up in arms over a cop killing a black kid more so then when one black kid kills another black kid is to understand the social and power dynamic involved. Its not so enraging when two powerless people of the same race kill each other. But when a person who has power(badge, gun, authority) uses that power to kill a powerless person they are entrusted to protect that creates a lot more anger. When two black kids kill each other its simply a tragic situation but when a white cop kills an unarmed black kid(which happens way too often) it creates a feeling of us vs them. It makes it very easy to rally together in those situations.

In order to confront black on black violence you have to confront your friends, family members, the guy down the street. There is no us vs them...its just individuals dealing with individuals. And each individual and individual situation has their own individual dynamics to it that each individual feels different about. It makes it much harder to unite as one big group and focus your energy on one big enemy.

There is a hypocritical and counterproductive nature to it but its not hard to understand why.