Crime Riot+Looting in Ferguson, MO

[Goonerview]

You also seem to believe all police are decent guys and as long as you behave ok, you will be fine:icon_lol: You havent seen much from what I can gather from your posts.

In my post, I actually used the word most. I naturally can't account for every single police officer being a decent, honourable guy. But most of the time, they are just doing their jobs and if you co-operate with them, they'll leave you alone and have no personal interest or desire to f**k with you.

A lot of people dehumanise the police, but, they ARE human and mostly they just want to do their job, finish their shift and go home!

 

[Jack V Savage]

You got pwned. He totally pwned you.

Brutal, brutal stuff.

I was literally cracking up at that reaction. I get accused of "hating" the Pauls, but I can give them credit where it's due. I wonder if a liberal stole the guy's wife or something. Hard to fathom how simply disagreeing with him on what's best for the country hurts his feelings so much.

BTW, right-wingers pretty much have to have their "small gov't" card revoked after this thread, with the exception of the few who are critical of the police. And it was already laughable that some (like IDL) claim to be "anti-establishment," but now it's beyond that.

 

[panamaican]

Who says black people don't protest the violence in their own community? The Atlantic did a write up on this exact subject right around the T.Martin issue.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national...eople-protest-black-on-black-violence/255329/

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-11-15-rally_N.htm?csp=34

http://www.nlc.org/build-skills-and...ucing-violent-deaths-among-black-men-and-boys

Perhaps the problem is that people are foolishly equating 2 separate issues?

First, the media doesn't cover blacks protesting/fighting violence in their own community to the same extent that it covers more racially charged violence. But the lack of media coverage doesn't mean that such efforts aren't taking place.

Second, citizen on citizen violence is very different from violence perpetrated by the government in violation of it's own rules. Black on black crime, while reprehensible, is going to be appropriately punished through the usual methods of crime punishment. But when the cops or some other authority figure commits violence against the citizens, it's less sure that same government will adequately protect the harmed citizens.

Anyway, the whole idea that the black community doesn't protest black on black crime just isn't true. It's another false narrative that some people believe because it's fits their skewed image of what the black community actually values.

 

[AviatorShades]

Brutal, brutal stuff.

I was literally cracking up at that reaction. I get accused of "hating" the Pauls, but I can give them credit where it's due. I wonder if a liberal stole the guy's wife or something. Hard to fathom how simply disagreeing with him on what's best for the country hurts his feelings so much.

BTW, right-wingers pretty much have to have their "small gov't" card revoked after this thread, with the exception of the few who are critical of the police. And it was already laughable that some (like IDL) claim to be "anti-establishment," but now it's beyond that.

Very few of your posts make any sense but this one stands out as particularly terrible.

How does sympathizing with police factor into the big vs small government debate? A local police force is a component of even the smallest bare-bones government and in fact the origin of government.

You need to focus on delivering a crisp, coherent point rather than just flinging a high quantity of hipsterish tidbits at the opposition and hoping something lands.

 

[speakhandsforme]

How the fuck do people like Kevin Rudd get banned yet RIPWarrior and JFlare still have accounts?

Has anyone figured out why he was handed his walking papers?

I thought he was a great poster for the most part.

 

[CableandThanos]

In order to understand why african americans get so up in arms over a cop killing a black kid more so then when one black kid kills another black kid is to understand the social and power dynamic involved. Its not so enraging when two powerless people of the same race kill each other. But when a person who has power(badge, gun, authority) uses that power to kill a powerless person they are entrusted to protect that creates a lot more anger. When two black kids kill each other its simply a tragic situation but when a white cop kills an unarmed black kid(which happens way too often) it creates a feeling of us vs them. It makes it very easy to rally together in those situations.

In order to confront black on black violence you have to confront your friends, family members, the guy down the street. There is no us vs them...its just individuals dealing with individuals. And each individual and individual situation has their own individual dynamics to it that each individual feels different about. It makes it much harder to unite as one big group and focus your energy on one big enemy.

There is a hypocritical and counterproductive nature to it but its not hard to understand why.

Again, we all understand the angle of someone that we are suppose to trust hurting us. Again though these supposed people are fallible like the rest of us, even if we like to think they are not suppose to be just because our taxes give them a paycheck.

Your second paragraph about if you confront b on b crime means having to confront neighbors friends, etc is what I was talking about in the don't really know how to do it comment.


I don't know if basic things like a neighborhood watch would work, of course you would have to call the cops when you saw drug dealers, but are the dealers gonna harass you? Would that even work because are people even gonna give a fuck about trying that after working all day to make a check?

I know it is hard but something needs to be done not only for the sake of black neighborhoods, but to also help get some white support back.

 

[CableandThanos]

Has anyone figured out why he was handed his walking papers?

I thought he was a great poster for the most part.

When did RUDD get banned? He was a pretty good poster even though we disagreed a lot and he would sometime get things mixed up between his country and ours. He would get stats from his own country and try and use them to apply to America.

 

[panamaican]

While I'm on the subject of black on black crime:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/nyregion/30clergy.html?_r=0

http://www.preventblackcrime.com/

http://fox59.com/2014/08/12/kin-killin-kin-exhibit-aims-to-reduce-violence/

Just one more tired stereotype about the black community that needs to be laid to rest. It's really as if some people are so deep into confirmation bias that they've lost any relationship with reality on these subjects.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Second, citizen on citizen violence is very different from violence perpetrated by the government in violation of it's own rules. Black on black crime, while reprehensible, is going to be appropriately punished through the usual methods of crime punishment. But when the cops or some other authority figure commits violence against the citizens, it's less sure that same government will adequately protect the harmed citizens.

Good points. Another thing to add is that when a community is (justifiably) afraid of the police, members need to take steps to ensure their own security, which then causes more problems.

 

[panamaican]

http://blackcommunitynews.com/reducing-gun-violence-without-infringing-gun-rights/

An interesting site for people legitimately interested in a broader grasp of black opinion.

 

[shockaholic12]

why is it not as simple as that?

Why does there always have to be (in these situations) a refusal to do what you are told or comments, etc.

If a PO tells you to put your hand behind your back, just do it? If afterwards you feel the arrest or questioning was wrong then file a complaint, get an ambulance chaser lawyer or call The REV Jackson.

Fighting/struggling/armwrestling/resisiting an officer can only lead to worse situations (no one says it should lead to getting shot).

Why in most all of these situations do we hear (even verified by witnesses) that there was some sort of resisting or struggle?

It's not that simple because of what can follow if they cooperate. I've seen first hand a young man in NYC get stopped by my stoop for being black, calmly hand over his ID, then been made to spread em' against the wall for a pretty rough search that he didn't consent to and was a pretty gross violation of his constitutional rights. Now what are his options? Hire an expensive lawyer and come after the cops in court, just to lose tons of money and time with everyone knowing the PD isn't going to lose the case?

Sometimes cooperating means quietly standing by as your rights are trampled, then bring pushed through a court system that is ar times harsher on minorities and where the odds remain overwhelmingly in the PDs favor. Stop and frisks are prevalent in cities like Brooklyn and even the PD admits they involve racial profiling.

Hey man, I know you were just waking home but please cooperate if this cop puts you on the wall and man handles your junk. It's safer.

 

[ironpekin]

And who do they die most by the hands of?

This of course is the entire premise of why people roll their eyes when situations like this break out. You (NOT YOU PERSONALLY TCK) are up in arms about 1 kid being shot yet you don't say or hold protest for all the black on black crime. This is where you lose a lot of white support.

In my talks with people, I have asked this and have gotten different answers. Some don't know why black people don't protest over what is happening in their own community, some say they want to they just don't know how, some say the shit is just gonna happen and there is nothing that they can do about it (so they are willing to accept the massive amounts of deaths by their own people but when a rare situation like this happens they feel they have to take a stand?) and then I have had the people say flat out, We can't stand by and let a white person get away with it. It's the same thing they say about voting for the mayor in my city. He had been charged/ investigated/convicted- found using city funds to pay for his babbies moms and kids (multiple), yet they kept voting him into office. When asked why, I got a lot of replies of--HEY IF WE ARE GONNA BE FUCKED OVER, WE WOULD RATHER BE FUCKED OVER BY A BLACK MAN.

Ok first - By nature most crime is "intra-racial" versus "inter-racial". Meaning if a crime is going to happen to you it will most likely come from someone who is like you. Meaning there is more "white on white", "Asian on Asian", and "Hispanic on Hispanic" crime than anything else.

Second - Crime is always higher in areas of poverty. Black people in America and most places around the world (even Africa) live in higher rates of poverty. So crime will most likely be higher in black neighborhoods. There are high crime rates in poor neighborhoods of other races as well. Black people in America have high rates of poverty because as recently as the 1960's they couldn't go to the same schools or have the same opportunities as white people. It will take many generations to pass before things are really equal.

So yes there is a lot of "black on black" crime but as I said above there will always be black on black crime and white on white crime etc. What makes unarmed black teenagers being shot by mostly white cops so appalling is that it happens way too often. Black teenagers are targeted and shown more agression by the police. You don't see unarmed white teenagers shot by police. After generations of being oppressed and treated as second class citizens black people shouldn't have to stand by quietly when they are unfairly targeted by the police that are supposed to protect them.

Your post had a lot of other ignorant comments but I'm to tired to address everything.

Lol at the "babies-mommas" though. You crazy man.

 

[panamaican]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...st-a-problem-for-white-suburbs_n_3156177.html

http://www.msnbc.com/politicsnation/gun-violence-chicago-black-leaders

http://mountainx.com/news/clergy-police-community-join-forces-to-stop-the-violence/

I guess it's all a matter of how hard you look for additional information.

 

[CableandThanos]

It's not that simple because of what follows if they cooperate. I've seen first hand a young man in NYC get stopped by my stoop for being black, calmly hand over his ID, then been made to spread em' against the wall for a pretty rough search that he didn't consent to and was a pretty gross violation of his constitutional rights. Now what are his options? Hire an expensive lawyer and come after the cops in court, just to lose tons of money and time with everyone knowing the PD isn't going to lose the case?

Sometimes cooperating means quietly standing by as your rights are trampled, then bring pushed through a court system where the odds remain overwhelmingly in the PDs favor. Stop and frisks are prevalent in cities like Brooklyn and even the PD admits they involve racial profiling.

See this is nothing but making excuses for the behavior. What is he suppose to do, GEE I don't know sit there and do as he is told. You mean someone feels like they may have gotten an unfair shake in life?

I love how you know he was stopped for being black!!!

 

[ironpekin]

Who says black people don't protest the violence in their own community? The Atlantic did a write up on this exact subject right around the T.Martin issue.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national...eople-protest-black-on-black-violence/255329/

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-11-15-rally_N.htm?csp=34

http://www.nlc.org/build-skills-and...ucing-violent-deaths-among-black-men-and-boys

Perhaps the problem is that people are foolishly equating 2 separate issues?

First, the media doesn't cover blacks protesting/fighting violence in their own community to the same extent that it covers more racially charged violence. But the lack of media coverage doesn't mean that such efforts aren't taking place.

Second, citizen on citizen violence is very different from violence perpetrated by the government in violation of it's own rules. Black on black crime, while reprehensible, is going to be appropriately punished through the usual methods of crime punishment. But when the cops or some other authority figure commits violence against the citizens, it's less sure that same government will adequately protect the harmed citizens.

Anyway, the whole idea that the black community doesn't protest black on black crime just isn't true. It's another false narrative that some people believe because it's fits their skewed image of what the black community actually values.

^This.

 

[UltraCombo]

Ok first - By nature most crime is "intra-racial" versus "inter-racial". Meaning if a crime is going to happen to you it will most likely come from someone who is like you. Meaning there is more "white on white", "Asian on Asian", and "Hispanic on Hispanic" crime than anything else.

Second - Crime is always higher in areas of poverty. Black people in America and most places around the world (even Africa) live in higher rates of poverty. So crime will most likely be higher in black neighborhoods. There are high crime rates in poor neighborhoods of other races as well. Black people in America have high rates of poverty because as recently as the 1960's they couldn't go to the same schools or have the same opportunities as white people. It will take many generations to pass before things are really equal.

So yes there is a lot of "black on black" crime but as I said above there will always be black on black crime and white on white crime etc. What makes unarmed black teenagers being shot by mostly white cops so appalling is that it happens way too often. Black teenagers are targeted and shown more agression by the police. You don't see unarmed white teenagers shot by police. After generations of being oppressed and treated as second class citizens black people shouldn't have to stand by quietly when they are unfairly targeted by the police that are supposed to protect them.

Your post had a lot of other ignorant comments but I'm to tired to address everything.

Lol at the "babies-mommas" though. You crazy man.

great post.

 

[theocean]

It's not that simple because of what follows if they cooperate. I've seen first hand a young man in NYC get stopped by my stoop for being black, calmly hand over his ID, then been made to spread em' against the wall for a pretty rough search that he didn't consent to and was a pretty gross violation of his constitutional rights. Now what are his options? Hire an expensive lawyer and come after the cops in court, just to lose tons of money and time with everyone knowing the PD isn't going to lose the case?

Sometimes cooperating means quietly standing by as your rights are trampled, then bring pushed through a court system where the odds remain overwhelmingly in the PDs favor. Stop and frisks are prevalent in cities like Brooklyn and even the PD admits they involve racial profiling.

Was this back when the whole stop and frisk thing was still in action/ sort of legal?

 

[CableandThanos]

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[nixkid]

It's not that simple because of what can follow if they cooperate. I've seen first hand a young man in NYC get stopped by my stoop for being black, calmly hand over his ID, then been made to spread em' against the wall for a pretty rough search that he didn't consent to and was a pretty gross violation of his constitutional rights. Now what are his options? Hire an expensive lawyer and come after the cops in court, just to lose tons of money and time with everyone knowing the PD isn't going to lose the case?

Sometimes cooperating means quietly standing by as your rights are trampled, then bring pushed through a court system that is ar times harsher on minorities and where the odds remain overwhelmingly in the PDs favor. Stop and frisks are prevalent in cities like Brooklyn and even the PD admits they involve racial profiling.

Hey man, I know you were just waking home but please cooperate if this cop puts you on the wall and man handles your junk. It's safer.

black people aren't supposed to stand up for their rights. If a LEO orders a black man to get down and give him fellatio then he better damn well get down on his knees and fellate the officer or else his violent death will be seen as justified in the eyes of many on sherdog.

 

[CableandThanos]

Was this back when the whole stop and frisk thing was still in action/ sort of legal?

No it didn't have anything to do with that, didn't you read, he was stopped because he was black, the poster said it so it must be true. I'm sure the poster knew the exact reason why he was stopped and it was because the guy was black, only explanation!!