International Riot in Sweden.

[SakurabasEar]

Says the guy with a yellow card following me around every where and flaming me

I hardly think he's following you around, you post in like every WR thread

 

[Islam Imamate]

Look at the trend over the timeline and compare it to Islams closest relative. Traditionally christian areas have become more tolerant and by extension more Islamic as well.

Sure we can pick at minutia or at times my less than accurate phrasing, but the above is undeniable. What's more important to deal with, how we got here or where we're at right now?

If you mean since 1945 then yeah sure but up until modernity its not even close, the Islamic world was far more tolerant. That's where Jews would flee to when Christendom would have its periodic Jew purges for instance.

Understanding how we got here is important to dealing with where we're at right now.

The Turks, lol. Fucking hell are those bros aggressive with their sexual advances. They have been there for generations now and most seem to retain more loyalty to Turkey (or at least Turkish identity) than Germany, but despite that they don't really cause problems on account of it, much less due to the adherence of their faith. They got their own thing going on, and it's not even particularly inclusive to other Muslims. I remember reading articles a few years ago about Syrian migrants feeling uneasy and unwelcome in their German established mosques. And that kind of leads to the next point...

Yes I have heard that about Turkish mosques, some will even advertise themselves as that which obviously makes them seem unwelcoming to Kurds and Syrians. I also rmemeber hearing that Syrian migrants were surprised at how extremist some German mosques were.

It seems like everything was better for Islam before the advent and firm establishment of the modern nation-state with ethnicity as the central focal point. The Ummah was probably a lot more genuine, and it also existed during a time period in which the Islamic world was at the forefront of astronomy, mathematics, medicine and philosophy. By comparison, Scandinavians were still the fringe, chest beating barbarians of Europe at the time Hasan Ibn al-Haytham was pioneering the scientific method in Cairo. The idea of "supremacy" is just straight up nonsense, and is not at all intrinsic to taking pride in ethnicity or heritage though I suppose a risk factor exists.

Yeah I largely agree. I don't want to glorify the empires of old too much but in general I think nationalism has been a disaster for the Ummah.

 

[So Fresh]

I hardly think he's following you around, you post in like every WR thread

Thank god you’re here to point that out, clearly you’ve seen me everywhere

 

[SakurabasEar]

Thank god you’re here to point that out, clearly you’ve seen me everywhere

I'm not sure why your thanking our lord for my appearance in this thread. Anyways yes, you go on the offense and post in nearly every WR thread yet accuse somebody of following you and flaming you?

 

[panem-et-circenses]

I welcome @So Fresh tbh, I can’t remember seeing him before this week, but he’s coming out swinging, making ops.

 

[Deorum]

We're not the ones who kicked the Jews out of Iberia after all.

Hence why I've modified my view somewhat.

I'm not sure why your thanking our lord for my appearance in this thread.

Why do Jews spell it as "G-d"?

 

[So Fresh]

If you mean since 1945 then yeah sure but up until modernity its not even close, the Islamic world was far more tolerant. That's where Jews would flee to when Christendom would have its periodic Jew purges for instance.

Understanding how we got here is important to dealing with where we're at right now.

The Ottoman empire was one of the most tolerant societies in the world at that time. Christians, jews but also between islamic groups relations were relatively tolerant.

 

[So Fresh]

I welcome @So Fresh tbh, I can’t remember seeing him before this week, but he’s coming out swinging, making ops.

Thanks brother

 

[SakurabasEar]

Why do Jews spell it as "G-d"?

its a custom, not shared by all jews ether. It stems from his name being writable but unpronouncable in its original reference. I say or write lord, or hashem. In Christianity, jesus is lord. In judism, g-d is lord.

Its all very confusing and your bound to get multiple takes depending on orthadox or reconstructionist

 

[The XL]

All kinds of immigration, especially from cultures who generally aren't compatible, should be small in nature and well vetted. Just allowing massive amounts of people who are culturally incompatible is a very bad idea. The elephant in the room here as well is most of these guys are going to wind up becoming involuntarily celibate because most women aren't going to be interested in them. You're going to have a powder keg of sexually frustrated religious extremists

 

[So Fresh]

I'm not sure why your thanking our lord for my appearance in this thread. Anyways yes, you go on the offense and post in nearly every WR thread yet accuse somebody of following you and flaming you?

The lord works in mysterious ways.

And I was being accused first, I just returned the favor.

I hardly flame, only in return, since I can handle everyone in a debate. But the last few days I’m getting a lot of name calling and flaming (mostly right wingers who lost the argument) from certain people, so that’s why I react that way.

 

[Deorum]

The Ottoman empire was one of the most tolerant societies in the world at that time. Christians, jews but also between islamic groups relations were relatively tolerant.

As much as @Khabib Khanate would love to deny it, the Ottomans had a real affinity for haram sex and by that I mean of an explicitly homosexual nature. This is hilariously demonstrated by the fact that they straight up decriminalized it in 1858, up to a century (and then some) prior to the majority of European countries doing so.

 

[The XL]

Quote from one of the policemen at the scene:

“The crazy part is that there are women in the ages of 40-60 that throw rocks at us, together with their children. How do you handle such a situation? Smash a baton in the head of a 12-year old?”.

You handle it by sending them all back where they came from.

Humanity needs a new stage in evolution when it comes to governance. Leaders need to be held severely accountable for their destructive actions. It doesn't matter if its due to malice or severe incompetence

 

[Bald1]

If you mean since 1945 then yeah sure but up until modernity its not even close, the Islamic world was far more tolerant. That's where Jews would flee to when Christendom would have its periodic Jew purges for instance. The

Understanding how we got here is important to dealing with where we're at right now.

Yes I have heard that about Turkish mosques, some will even advertise themselves as that which obviously makes them seem unwelcoming to Kurds and Syrians. I also rmemeber hearing that Syrian migrants were surprised at how extremist some German mosques were.

Yeah I largely agree. I don't want to glorify the empires of old too much but in general I think nationalism has been a disaster for the Ummah.

I don't have much of an issue with the first part of this post so I'll just leave it as good enough.

But nationalism is a different thing and on topic in this thread.

The word nationalism, like discrimination has been reduced to one single and least charitable component. And it's become synonymous with evil, expansionist societies.

identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
"their nationalism is tempered by a desire to join the European Union"
Similar:
patriotism
patriotic sentiment
loyalism
nationality
xenophobia
chauvinism
jingoism
flag-waving
ethnocentrism
ethnocentricity
advocacy of or support for the political independence of a particular nation or people.

Notice how the last part is just an add on but there's no distinction between the beneficial aspects of it and all the negative synonyms? That's just lazy thinking for lazy minds. There's an unquantifiable number of beneficial things that become detrimental when only one of it's components are used to evaluate it. Water and air come to mind.

Are Palestinians evil nationalists? I don't think so. There was a french historian in the 15th century that predicted the Magyar people and language would become extinct by the 17th century. Swedish politicians called Hungarians xenophobic Nazis in 2015. Newsflash! Magyarország will remain Magyarország long after Sweden and France will become something unrecognizable. And that expression of self determination of it's people is somehow evil because that's what they want and make moves towards those goals via being more nationalistic than most of their neighbors? Get the fuck out if here! Lol (that wasn't directed at you).

You can work towards keeping your nations identity intact without being jingoistic, xenophobic or ethnocentric. Racism doesn't even factor into it. We're the biggest mutts in Europe after all.

 

[Islam Imamate]

The Ottoman empire was one of the most tolerant societies in the world at that time. Christians, jews but also between islamic groups relations were relatively tolerant.

I don't want to treat it with rose colored glasses but up until the late 19th century or so yeah it does seem that it was far more tolerant and multicultural than Christian Europe. Its a shame to read about the Ottoman cities of old and the presence of Greeks, Armenians, and Jews and how integral they were to the life of those cities only to realize that those communities were eventually expunged during the course of the late 19th and 20th centuries.

As much as @Khabib Khanate would love to deny it, the Ottomans had a real affinity for haram sex and by that I mean of an explicitly homosexual nature. This is hilariously demonstrated by the fact that they straight up decriminalized it in 1858, up to as a century (and then some) prior to the majority of European countries doing so.

I don't deny it, part of my defense of traditional societies is that those societies had a lot more tolerance for that than we tend to think and that a lot of oppression of queers emerged from modernity. No longer was it merely a sin that you kept to yourself, it became a "mental illness" that needed to be treated. Hence the tragedy of Turing.

You can read accounts of scholars from the era who speak of just how common it was among scholars to have relations with beardless youths. One of my favorites was of a scholar who was heartbroken after being rejected by such a youth.

 

[Bald1]

The Ottoman empire was one of the most tolerant societies in the world at that time. Christians, jews but also between islamic groups relations were relatively tolerant.

Lol. I've spent considerable time wandering around ruins from the time they visited Europe and know all about their tolerant ways of harvesting slaves and subjugating people. Very tolerant indeed to occupy foreign lands for centuries.

 

[Bald1]

Why do Jews spell it as "G-d"?

I missed that part.

The only thing my "ancestors" had to do with Iberia is when they raided that peninsula. In a very tolerant way mind you. Tolerant invaders are the best invaders. It is known.

 

[So Fresh]

As much as @Khabib Khanate would love to deny it, the Ottomans had a real affinity for haram sex and by that I mean of an explicitly homosexual nature. This is hilariously demonstrated by the fact that they straight up decriminalized it in 1858, up to a century (and then some) prior to the majority of European countries doing so.

Okay

 

[Deorum]

I don't deny it, part of my defense of traditional societies is that those societies had a lot more tolerance for that than we tend to think and that a lot of oppression of queers emerged from modernity. No longer was it merely a sin that you kept to yourself, it became a "mental illness" that needed to be treated. Hence the tragedy of Turing.

You can read accounts of scholars from the era who speak of just how common it was among scholars to have relations with beardless youths. One of my favorites was of a scholar who was heartbroken after being rejected by such a youth.

I know, I'm kidding. <45>

We've probably been over that a half-dozen times over the years.

 

[So Fresh]

Lol. I've spent considerable time wandering around ruins from the time they visited Europe and know all about their tolerant ways of harvesting slaves and subjugating people. Very tolerant indeed to occupy foreign lands for centuries.

What do you not understand about the term “relatively” ?