International Riot in Sweden.

[Deorum]

But that would never happen would it? Waving the Swedish flag and being proud of it, for instance. Isn't there an attitude among many that it could be viewed as nationalism, and so people are afraid to show Swedish pride?

It's funny because that sentiment doesn't exist or at least it may be minute in Norway. Look at all of the flag waving and cultural pride on May 17th.

That's a great point, and one beautiful thing about May 17 is that you can even see people and children of ethnic minority backgrounds that take part in it. This is ideal and of course it's better to offer a hand to make people feel included and part of the national identity of the country they're living in. Unless you're genuinely racist, nobody in their right mind would deliberately look to exclude and ostracize, exacerbating potential tensions. I don't think Sweden has done that, but just not even made attempts toward assimilation at all and determined so a long time ago (notably, 1975). Sherbro @Son of Jamin is mixed race background IIRC and likely one of the most ardently proud Swedes in the god damn country.

Norway is considerably more 'nationalist' than Sweden (or Denmark) and on a lingering subconscious level it's likely born out of the fact it was either ruled by or relegated to the "junior partner" status of official unions with both of them for centuries. At least with the Sweden union, it had to accept Norway's independent constitution (hence May 17) but still. 1905 was a long, long time coming for complete independence and then fortunes changed literally and figuratively in the mid/late 20th century. Swede is a different cat, man. It has not only twice the population but has always been innovative, had an impact on larger mainstream western culture and probably been more secure in itself over the generations tbh.

 

[machidafan99]

If I burn a copy in Chicago, will you help me burn down that cesspool?

<45>

 

[Deorum]

I think groundless accusations of racism should be carded. If false accusations are no big deal, then it stands to follow that racism isn't a big deal either. Consistency!

in a way, the fact that all those clowns that yell racism as their only argument AREN"T carded, it just proves that the word has absolutely no power anymore and it's just a buzzword. people that unironically use that word here are clowns.

I'm still scratching my head about how the post I made equates with any of that. It had nothing to do with "superiority", and which ethnicity was being discriminated against? The hypothetical was certainly brutal -- archeology and ancestor veneration are also particularly significant components of heathenry (even precious), with the latter being of no less importance than deities and spirits. If Muslims can behead infidels for "insulting" Islam then people can get it the same for destroying cultural and religious heritage, see how that shit works? The entire point was: cease being a weakling, match the conviction and intensity.

 

[IX_Equilibrium]

Norway is considerably more 'nationalist' than Sweden (or Denmark) and on a lingering subconscious level it's likely born out of the fact it was either ruled by or relegated to the "junior partner" status of official unions with both of them for centuries. At least with the Sweden union, it had to accept Norway's independent constitution (hence May 17) but still. 1905 was a long, long time coming for complete independence and then fortunes changed literally and figuratively in the mid/late 20th century. Swede is a different cat, man. It has not only twice the population but has always been innovative, had an impact on larger mainstream western culture and probably been more secure in itself over the generations tbh.

Another question, would it be more appropriate to use ‘patriotic” as opposed to “nationalist”, at least in Norway’s case?

 

[Deorum]

Another question, would it be more appropriate to use ‘patriotic” as opposed to “nationalist”, at least in Norway’s case?

Yeah, more like innocuous patriotism. There is a precedent and standard for what constitutes European nationalism, and it's been put forever out of reach. It's actually a mindfuck how casually people in modern times will throw out accusations of being a particular pejorative. It borders on being outright disrespectful to the people who actually felt, experienced and perished (by the millions) from the wrath of it.

 

[So Fresh]

I'm still scratching my head about how the post I made equates with any of that.

I think you found the problem.

 

[Deorum]

I think you found the problem.

Unnskyld, jeg fant løsningen. <45>

You have a fabulous day now, baby boy.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Unnskyld, jeg fant løsningen. <45>

You have a fabulous day now, baby boy.

don't bother with that guy. he's the biggest cretin currently in the wr.
he'll be banned soon.

 

[So Fresh]

Unnskyld, jeg fant løsningen. <45>

You have a fabulous day now, baby boy.

Love you too

 

[So Fresh]

don't bother with that guy. he's the biggest cretin currently in the wr.
he'll be banned soon.

Says the guy with a yellow card following me around every where and flaming me

 

[Islam Imamate]

In a republic with hard lines drawn as to what is or is not permissable it can work on theory. It sure as hell didn't work when the old country was established or when Canada was also. Both examples of one society completely dominating and wiping out the old. Same as anywhere Islam plants it's flag.

Theory is one thing, reality is completely different. The same people who think communism is a good idea think multiculturalism can work. Delusional ideologues, in other words.

That's not actually true, most Islamic states were very multicultural. It was when they started to incorporate nationalism and move away from the classical Islamic model that minorities got the screws(Greek/Armenian genocide, Bengali Hindu genocide etc).

Nationalism is far more supremacist and prone to genocide and ethnic cleansing, the historical record is crystal clear about that. It took centuries for Islamic states to achieve a Muslim majority while nationalist regimes would cleanse their populations of minorities within a few generations if not just a few years.

That's racist

Ask a polack how much they like having a bunch of ukies as neighbors, walking around in sweatpants outdoors and eating fish straight out of cans

Haha, what weirdos

 

[panem-et-circenses]

What’s wrong with fish out of a can. You motherfuckers. Now you’ve crossed the line, bigots.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

What’s wrong with fish out of a can. You motherfuckers. Now you’ve crossed the line, bigots.

that rotten fish thing is not something i ever want to smell again.

 

[Islam Imamate]

What do folx think of Frau Merkel's public sentiment on multikulti nearly a dozen years ago? This was well prior to the "Wir Schaffen Das!" refugee fiasco of 2015 when 900+k were taken in that year alone. She wasn't even a bad leader for the most part during her first decade in power.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11559451

Attempts to build a multicultural society in Germany have "utterly failed", Chancellor Angela Merkel says. She said the so-called "multikulti" concept - where people would live side-by-side happily - did not work, and immigrants needed to do more to integrate - including learning German.

The comments come amid rising anti-immigration feeling in Germany. A recent survey suggested more than 30% of people believed the country was "overrun by foreigners".

The study - by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation think-tank - also showed that roughly the same number thought that some 16 million of Germany's immigrants or people with foreign origins had come to the country for its social benefits.

Mrs. Merkel told a gathering of younger members of her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party on Saturday that "at the beginning of the 1960s our country called the foreign workers to come to Germany and now they live in our country."

She added: "We kidded ourselves a while, we said: 'They won't stay, sometime they will be gone', but this isn't reality. And of course, the approach to build a multicultural society and to live side-by-side and to enjoy each other...has failed, utterly failed."

Of course German multiculturalism failed, they didn't offer any path to citizenship for migrants until recently. IIRC they only introduced birthright citizenship in the year 2000. So you had a foreign worker class that was perpetually stuck as 2nd class citizens. If you're going to have such immigrants then you need to ruthlessly enforce the immigration laws like they do in the Gulf with the Kafala system and kick them out after a short stint. Otherwise they become an entrenched underclass and that's obviously bad for integration.

 

[So Fresh]

From the start of 2015 to the end of 2017, 1356600asylum seekers were registered in total. According to a 2018 study by German criminologists, the crime rate of non-Germans between the ages of 16 and 30 is within the same range as that of Germans. In May 2016, U.S. fact-checker Politifact suggested that, as crimes by immigrants rose 79 percent in 2015 and the number of refugees in the country rose by 440 percent, the crime rate among refugees was lower than that among German natives.

The first comprehensive study of the social effects of the one million refugees going to Germany found that it caused "very small increases in crime in particular with respect to drug offenses and fare-dodging."

“mErKeL fAilEd”

 

[Bald1]

That's not actually true, most Islamic states were very multicultural. It was when they started to incorporate nationalism and move away from the classical Islamic model that minorities got the screws(Greek/Armenian genocide, Bengali Hindu genocide etc).

Nationalism is far more supremacist and prone to genocide and ethnic cleansing, the historical record is crystal clear about that. It took centuries for Islamic states to achieve a Muslim majority while nationalist regimes would cleanse their populations of minorities within a few generations if not just a few years.

Haha, what weirdos

Hence why I've modified my view somewhat. Notice how I usually say "Islam as it is right now" when talking about that religion.

See. I do read your stuff and listen to what you say. Not the only time you've brought up points that have helped me get a better grasp of things. Ignorance isn't a virtue, so I do make an attempt at doing better.

 

[Bald1]

I'm still scratching my head about how the post I made equates with any of that. It had nothing to do with "superiority", and which ethnicity was being discriminated against? The hypothetical was certainly brutal -- archeology and ancestor veneration are also particularly significant components of heathenry (even precious), with the latter being of no less importance than deities and spirits. If Muslims can behead infidels for "insulting" Islam then people can get it the same for destroying cultural and religious heritage, see how that shit works? The entire point was: cease being a weakling, match the conviction and intensity.

That guy is just as much of an indoctrinated fool as the people who'd riot because someone burned their own book. Dogma is a hell of a stupid thing.

If something is racist one way, then it stands to reason that the same thing is racist in a different way. Yet you'll never hear him accuse a perceived minority (there's something like 1700 times more Muslims than Swedes) of being racist for saying the same thing you did. That doesn't come from a place or reason of logic, but from blind faith and ignorance.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Hence why I've modified my view somewhat. Notice how I usually say "Islam as it is right now" when talking about that religion.

See. I do read your stuff and listen to what you say. Not the only time you've brought up points that have helped me get a better grasp of things. Ignorance isn't a virtue, so I do make an attempt at doing better.

But your post that I quote said "anywhere Islam plants its flag" which implies historically which is just obviously not true. And elsewhere you make the case its inherent to the religion despite the historical record showing the exact opposite. We're not the ones who kicked the Jews out of Iberia after all.

If you want to talk about the current problems its usually related more to nationalism than Islam. Hence West Pakistan committing genocide against East Pakistan and not just against the Hindus but Muslim Bengalis as well. Of course nationalism and religion aren't mutually exclusive and often interact with one another, hence the special violence leveled towards Hindus during the genocide of Bangladesh.

Btw in the case of these riots Imams are usually out there telling the youth to go home and not make a mess so idk that blaming the religion captures the whole picture. If anything in Europe it seems the less devout Muslims are the ones prone to criminality and extremism. Something else is going on ehre.

 

[Bald1]

But your post that I quote said "anywhere Islam plants its flag" which implies historically which is just obviously not true. And elsewhere you make the case its inherent to the religion despite the historical record showing the exact opposite. We're not the ones who kicked the Jews out of Iberia after all.

If you want to talk about the current problems its usually related more to nationalism than Islam. Hence West Pakistan committing genocide against East Pakistan and not just against the Hindus but Muslim Bengalis as well. Of course nationalism and religion aren't mutually exclusive and often interact with one another, hence the special violence leveled towards Hindus during the genocide of Bangladesh.

Btw in the case of these riots Imams are usually out there telling the youth to go home and not make a mess so idk that blaming the religion captures the whole picture. If anything in Europe it seems the less devout Muslims are the ones prone to criminality and extremism. Something else is going on ehre.

Look at the trend over the timeline and compare it to Islams closest relative. Traditionally christian areas have become more tolerant and by extension more Islamic as well.

Sure we can pick at minutia or at times my less than accurate phrasing, but the above is undeniable. What's more important to deal with, how we got here or where we're at right now?

 

[Deorum]

Of course German multiculturalism failed, they didn't offer any path to citizenship for migrants until recently. IIRC they only introduced birthright citizenship in the year 2000. So you had a foreign worker class that was perpetually stuck as 2nd class citizens. If you're going to have such immigrants then you need to ruthlessly enforce the immigration laws like they do in the Gulf with the Kafala system and kikc them out after a short stint. Otherwise they become an entrenched underclass and that's obviously bad for integration.

The Turks, lol. Fucking hell are those bros aggressive with their sexual advances. They have been there for generations now and most seem to retain more loyalty to Turkey (or at least Turkish identity) than Germany, but despite that they don't really cause problems on account of it, much less due to the adherence of their faith. They got their own thing going on, and it's not even particularly inclusive to other Muslims. I remember reading articles a few years ago about Syrian migrants feeling uneasy and unwelcome in their German established mosques. And that kind of leads to the next point...

That's not actually true, most Islamic states were very multicultural. It was when they started to incorporate nationalism and move away from the classical Islamic model that minorities got the screws (Greek/Armenian genocide, Bengali Hindu genocide etc).

Nationalism is far more supremacist and prone to genocide and ethnic cleansing, the historical record is crystal clear about that. It took centuries for Islamic states to achieve a Muslim majority while nationalist regimes would cleanse their populations of minorities within a few generations if not just a few years.

It seems like everything was better for Islam before the advent and firm establishment of the modern nation-state with ethnicity as the central focal point. The Ummah was probably a lot more genuine, and it also existed during a time period in which the Islamic world was at the forefront of astronomy, mathematics, medicine and philosophy. By comparison, Scandinavians were still the fringe, chest beating barbarians of Europe at the time Hasan Ibn al-Haytham was pioneering the scientific method in Cairo. The idea of "supremacy" is just straight up nonsense, and is not at all intrinsic to taking pride in ethnicity or heritage though I suppose a risk factor exists.