International Riot in Sweden.

[So Fresh]

Who's "us"?



None of this debunks the fact that immigration is destroying Europe. The more diverse a country becomes, the weaker it becomes. You wouldn't want to live in any African, middle-eastern or south Asian country, so why would you accept large amounts of immigration from these parts of the world? It will only result in ruin.



How leftists debate. LOL

This must have been the stupidest thing iv’e read in a long time. The dutch empire was partly built on immigration.

At the hight of the Ottoman empire there was a lot of diversity. You have literally no idea what youre talking about.

 

[goldennirvana]

Im german.

Germany is being destroyed by immigration. That's a fact.

And try to base my arguments on actual scientific data.

I do. It's your kind that reject scientific data.

Im also not a "leftist".

Yes, you are.

Im a simple human who approaches phenomena and changes by checking out data, and informations.

Oh, you're simple alright.

You seem to act on fear and Impulse.

I act on facts.

The countries you mentioned are by the way quite homogenous compared.

I didn't mention any countries, I mentioned a continent and two regions. And none of them are homogeneous you dope.

And did you ever asked yourself why these regions are shit compared?!

Yes. Be honest with yourself and you'll discover the reason too.

Its because of their circumstances and history, the people from there can and will adapt to any circumstance. It might take some time but thats human nature.

Utterly irrelevant to the discussion.

Stop being afraid. This World has always changed and it will keep doing so.

We're not talking about "the world", we're talking about Europe. An entire continent being flooded with immigrants is not "normal" and hasn't "always happened", neither is it beneficial. It will destroy Europe. It's totally abnormal and wrong, and it's completely normal and right for me and every other sane person to reject it.

Ease up on the worthless platitudes next time, okay?

 

[So Fresh]

What stand, dammit? I pointed out that it is ridiculous to use BRÅ statistics from 2014, especially when filtered through whatever journalistic source you used (you didn't provide the link), and then further filtered through Jerzy Sarnecki, who is infamous for Baghdad Bobbing national crime statistics throughout his entire career.

Beyond that, I think I've made it pretty clear I'm completely uninterested in the whole subject.

If you’re not interested then why reply?

 

[Nada.]

Germany is being destroyed by immigration. That's a fact.



I do. It's your kind that reject scientific data.



Yes, you are.



Oh, you're simple alright.



I act on facts.



I didn't mention any countries, I mentioned a continent and two regions. And none of them are homogeneous you dope.



Yes. Be honest with yourself and you'll discover the reason too.



Utterly irrelevant to the discussion.



We're not talking about "the world", we're talking about Europe. An entire continent being flooded with immigrants is not "normal" and hasn't "always happened", neither is it beneficial. It will destroy Europe. It's totally abnormal and wrong, and it's completely normal and right for me and every other sane person to reject it.

Ease up on the worthless platitudes next time, okay?

Youre whole rethorics are as stupid as could.
"Normal", "abnormal", "flooded".
Raging with opinions and name-calling.
You are a can.
Sad, angry, boring, invested in absolutes without any source to prove your emotional ramblings, uninformed and afraid.
Have fun. The world will go on and noone cares about you and your opinions.

Bye.

 

[goldennirvana]

lol xenophobic and a putin versteher this is gonna be fun.

You're German too? God what is it with you pussies?

It won't be fun for you at all, because you're going to be beaten from pillar to post, as you have been already. It's only going to continue, unless of course you're a masochist, then you'll enjoy it.

If you think that political party are only reporting facts I don’t really know what to tell you

Wow, flawless response. Breathtaking.

Well where to start:
- Combat 18
- the oldschool society
- The base
- atomwaffen
- breivik
- green brigade

So a load of groups who haven't done shit and a man who's in prison for an attack over a decade ago. That's what I thought. LOL

I love how you say "where to start" as if there's just so many, and you go and name a load that haven't done anything. You absolute monstrosity.

It’s obvious you don’t really have any knowledhe of the subject except for what you hear in your right wing echochamber.

I asked you to name these "right-wing terrorists" and you named one (Breivik) and a load of groups that haven't done anything and no one even knows about... ya know, because they haven't done anything.

Now let's compare that list to the list of Islamic extremist groups in Europe, shall we? And then we'll name all the Islamic terrorist attacks, both foiled and successful, which have been planned/carried out over the past 20 years. I suspect you'll ignore this challenge.

Europe has always had large immigration groups

Another total lie from you. You're fond of lying, eh? Typical leftist.

Mass immigration like we're seeing today is a completely new phenomenon. It hasn't "always happened", it's only over the past few decades it's existed for. If it was true that this kind of immigration has "always happened", then Europe's demographics (and genetic history) would show that. Of course though, that's not the case. But I know you won't let facts get in the way of some feel good fantasy.

and the only time we came close to any form of destruction in Europe it was because of the opposite: nationalist dictatorship

Nope, Europe was in far worse shape during the middle-ages when, yep, you guessed it... Muslims were trying to conquer it. Muslims have always had their sights set on Europe, you see. And now it's being handed to them on a plate. They can't believe their luck.

 

[Halge]

If you’re not interested then why reply?

I was mildly interested in the subject of outdated statistics. Mostly in the sense that I wanted to point out the idiocy of using it, not in the sense that I wanted to debate it. I don't think it's even on-topic.
Beyond that, I do what I usually try to do: respond when contacted. Sort of required courtesy on a forum, imo. I've tried to end the conversation a number of times now, but you won't let go.

 

[goldennirvana]

This must have been the stupidest thing iv’e read in a long time. The dutch empire was partly built on immigration.

What does the Dutch empire have to do with this? Christ you're so desperate. lol

At the hight of the Ottoman empire there was a lot of diversity. You have literally no idea what youre talking about.

Nothing to do with immigration. You're so dense. lol

You clearly don't even know what 'empire' is. Saying an empire is diverse is like saying water is wet. Dummy, the very definition of an empire is that it has a load of different groups living under a single central power. But what does empire have to do with the topic at hand (immigration)? Oh that's right... NOTHING!

Oh and the Ottoman empire? You mean the empire that carried out three major genocides against three Christian groups: Armenian, Greek & Assyrian? And you think that STRENGTHENS your argument?



Naming a genocidal empire in a debate about immigration because he thinks that proves diversity is a strength. Holy shit, I've not encountered stupidity like this for a while. LOL

 

[goldennirvana]

Youre whole rethorics are as stupid as could.

"Normal", "abnormal", "flooded".
Raging with opinions and name-calling.
You are a can.
Sad, angry, boring, invested in absolutes without any source to prove your emotional ramblings, uninformed and afraid.
Have fun. The world will go on and noone cares about you and your opinions.

Bye.

Rage-quitting because you have zero counter-arguments. As expected.

 

[So Fresh]

You're German too? God what is it with you pussies?

It won't be fun for you at all, because you're going to be beaten from pillar to post, as you have been already. It's only going to continue, unless of course you're a masochist, then you'll enjoy it.

suffering from grand delusion, how funny.

Wow, flawless response. Breathtaking.

What more is there to say, with you believing politicians (and especially right wing populist) are just reporting “the facts”.

So a load of groups who haven't done shit and a man who's in prison for an attack over a decade ago. That's what I thought. LOL

I love how you say "where to start" as if there's just so many, and you go and name a load that haven't done anything. You absolute monstrosity.





I asked you to name these "right-wing terrorists" and you named one (Breivik) and a load of groups that haven't done anything and no one even knows about... ya know, because they haven't done anything.

Of course I just named a few, I’m not gonna name all of them, you know google don’t you? Tho I wouldn’t be surprised if you don’t know how to use it. And they didn’t do “nothing”, all these groups commited terrorist attacks or were plotting attacks.

Now let's compare that list to the list of Islamic extremist groups in Europe, shall we? And then we'll name all the Islamic terrorist attacks, both foiled and successful, which have been planned/carried out over the past 20 years. I suspect you'll ignore this challenge.

Well let’s?

Another total lie from you. You're fond of lying, eh? Typical leftist.

Mass immigration like we're seeing today is a completely new phenomenon. It hasn't "always happened", it's only over the past few decades it's existed for. If it was true that this kind of immigration has "always happened", then Europe's demographics (and genetic history) would show that. Of course though, that's not the case. But I know you won't let facts get in the way of some feel good fantasy.

I never said what were seeing now isn’t a new phenomenon, I said Europe always had large groups of immigrants. It now being the largste doesn’t negate the facts that immigration always played a substantial role in Europe.

Nope, Europe was in far worse shape during the middle-ages when, yep, you guessed it... Muslims were trying to conquer it. Muslims have always had their sights set on Europe, you see. And now it's being handed to them on a plate. They can't believe their luck.

lol at thinking invading muslims was the reason for the bad shape during the middle ages. The reason was mostly suppressive christian rule and islamic territories were actually more advanced than most of Europe during the middle ages.

And if someone always had their sight on other territories it’s Europe

It’s clear that you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about and this must be some of the worst revisionist historic takes i’ve ever read in Sherdog and that says a lot. I would advise you to start reading some historical books and come back to me then.

 

[DespicablePeep]

Making a comparison is something else than moving the goalpost.

No its not, its a goal post shift because you can't address the fact of the topic.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

We're talking about the amount of people arriving in Sweden every year. A country taking in 1% of its population annually is a huge amount and will completely transform the demographics into a third world shithole, ironically one which the immigrants themselves don't want to live in.

Babble.

Immigration is destroying Europe and that's a fact. I know it makes your life a living hell, knowing the 'racists' are going to be proven right. lol

What country are you from, and how do you justify posting utter shit like this?

 

[So Fresh]

What does the Dutch empire have to do with this? Christ you're so desperate. lol

What a surprise that you have to ask this. Well your claim that diversity leads to weakness is proven false by the fact that the dutch republic were at their height of economic power while having lot’s of diversity and lax immigration rules.


Nothing to do with immigration. You're so dense. lol

You clearly don't even know what 'empire' is. Saying an empire is diverse is like saying water is wet. Dummy, the very definition of an empire is that it has a load of different groups living under a single central power. But what does empire have to do with the topic at hand (immigration)? Oh that's right... NOTHING!

It was about diversity in a country. Well it proves my point that being an empire (thus diverse) leads to strength.

Oh and the Ottoman empire? You mean the empire that carried out three major genocides against three Christian groups: Armenian, Greek & Assyrian? And you think that STRENGTHENS your argument?



Naming a genocidal empire in a debate about immigration because he thinks that proves diversity is a strength. Holy shit, I've not encountered stupidity like this for a while. LOL

You picking 3 conflicts over a period of centuries speaks more volume of your own ignorance.

 

[So Fresh]

I was mildly interested in the subject of outdated statistics. Mostly in the sense that I wanted to point out the idiocy of using it, not in the sense that I wanted to debate it. I don't think it's even on-topic.
Beyond that, I do what I usually try to do: respond when contacted. Sort of required courtesy on a forum, imo. I've tried to end the conversation a number of times now, but you won't let go.

lol you started to comment on my statistics and then when I prove you wrong, suddenly you’re not interested. But fine, I will let go now.

 

[So Fresh]

No its not, its a goal post shift because you can't address the fact of the topic.

I didnt even brought it up so what are you talking about? I just corrected you when you were spilling nonsense about hooligans only fighting each other.

 

[goldennirvana]

suffering from grand delusion, how funny.

Anyone reading this will see who's battered who, along with your buddy @Nada., who had to fly his white flag. I'm running rings around the both of you, with ease.

What more is there to say, with you believing politicians (and especially right wing populist) are just reporting “the facts”.

When did I say that? Lying, AGAIN.

Of course I just named a few, I’m not gonna name all of them,

No one asked you to. You obviously named the 'most prominent' ones... and those groups haven't done anything. So, to conclude... your comment about "right-wing terrorists" was moronic and pathetic. I challenged you on it and your response proves it. LOL

you know google don’t you?

Burden of proof, son. Look it up.

And they didn’t do “nothing”, all these groups commited terrorist attacks or were plotting attacks.

How many did they kill?

I never get bored of observing leftists blow a gasket attempting to play up the threat of right-wing extremists, whilst playing down the threat of Islamic extremists, who have claimed the lives of hundreds in Europe over the past 15 years. It really is something to behold. You leftists and your love affair with Islam. ROFLMFAO

Well let’s?

You really wanna do that? Really? lol

I never said what were seeing now isn’t a new phenomenon

Yes, you did.

I said Europe always had large groups of immigrants.

Define "large".

It now being the largste doesn’t negate the facts that immigration always played a substantial role in Europe.

Define "substantial".

lol at thinking invading muslims was the reason for the bad shape during the middle ages.

But I never said that. I said Europe was in a worse state when Muslims were trying to conquer it than when the Nazis were waging war, which it patently was. I never blamed Europe's bad shape in the middle-ages entirely on Muslims. Learn to read you dumb child.

The reason was mostly suppressive christian rule and islamic territories were actually more advanced than most of Europe during the middle ages.

Utterly irrelevant. Nice deflection, though.

And if someone always had their sight on other territories it’s Europe

You mean it's both. See how biased you are? You can't bring yourself to condemn Muslims for ANYTHING. Are you Turkish, by any chance? This over the topic pro-Islam stance and your praising of the Ottoman empire makes me believe you are.

It’s clear that you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about and this must be some of the worst revisionist historic takes i’ve ever read in Sherdog and that says a lot. I would advise you to start reading some historical books and come back to me then.

Babble. I've torn every worthless response you've given to shreds. You're a Turkish Muslim and you're obviously biased. You don't want to live in Turkey, because it's a shithole, so you cling to Europe because you know it's far superior to anything Muslims have ever created.

It's very clear all the facts are on my side and all you can do is rage-post with every reply, whine about me not knowing anything, and post biased fantasy bullshit.

Please post some more about how you think the genocidal Ottoman empire is proof of diversity being a strength. LOL

 

[DespicablePeep]

I didnt even brought it up so what are you talking about? I just corrected you when you were spilling nonsense about hooligans only fighting each other.

Its not nonsense, hooliganism is about fighting football rivals, you don't see milan tifosi stabbing random people, throwing acid and stealing. It has nothing to do with the violence of muslim immigration, the knife crime it has brought to Europe.

You are free to shift the blame, I'm done with this thread

 

[So Fresh]

Anyone reading this will see who's battered who, along with your buddy @Nada., who had to fly his white flag. I'm running rings around the both of you, with ease.



When did I say that? Lying, AGAIN.



No one asked you to. You obviously named the 'most prominent' ones... and those groups haven't done anything. So, to conclude... your comment about "right-wing terrorists" was moronic and pathetic. I challenged you on it and your response proves it. LOL



Burden of proof, son. Look it up.





How many did they kill?

I never get bored of observing leftists blow a gasket attempting to play up the threat of right-wing extremists, whilst playing down the threat of Islamic extremists, who have claimed the lives of hundreds in Europe over the past 15 years. It really is something to behold. You leftists and your love affair with Islam. ROFLMFAO



You really wanna do that? Really? lol



Yes, you did.



Define "large".



Define "substantial".



But I never said that. I said Europe was in a worse state when Muslims were trying to conquer it than when the Nazis were waging war, which it patently was. I never blamed Europe's bad shape in the middle-ages entirely on Muslims. Learn to read you dumb child.



Utterly irrelevant. Nice deflection, though.



You mean it's both. See how biased you are? You can't bring yourself to condemn Muslims for ANYTHING. Are you Turkish, by any chance? This over the topic pro-Islam stance and your praising of the Ottoman empire makes me believe you are.



Babble. I've torn every worthless response you've given to shreds. You're a Turkish Muslim and you're obviously biased. You don't want to live in Turkey, because it's a shithole, so you cling to Europe because you know it's far superior to anything Muslims have ever created.

It's very clear all the facts are on my side and all you can do is rage-post with every reply, whine about me not knowing anything, and post biased fantasy bullshit.

Please post some more about how you think the genocidal Ottoman empire is proof of diversity being a strength. LOL

You can’t even form a sentence without an insult and I’m rage posting? But I’ve read enough, you’re clearly not on my level and are keft resorting to fallacy’s, insults and other degenerate forms of communicating. It was nice having some insight in the world of a completely delusional right wing shit talker

 

[So Fresh]

Its not nonsense, hooliganism is about fighting football rivals, you don't see milan tifosi stabbing random people, throwing acid and stealing. It has nothing to do with the violence of muslim immigration, the knife crime it has brought to Europe.

You are free to shift the blame, I'm done with this thread

Again that wasn’t the point. It was about riots not knife crime or acid throwings. And I didn’t bring the comparison up, someone else did, I just corrected your false claim about hooliganism. And stealing? Hooligans are notorious for raiding gaspump stations during their away trips. You clearly don’t know much about hooligan culture, which is fine just don’t try to act like you do.

 

[goldennirvana]

Well your claim that diversity leads to weakness is proven false by the fact that the dutch republic were at their height of economic power while having lot’s of diversity and lax immigration rules.

Where's the Dutch empire now you dimwit?

The Dutch empire had slavery. Why not mention that?

Empire is, by its very definition, diverse. Saying 'this empire was diverse' is like saying water is wet. You look so stupid and you don't realise it. The problem you're having is, this diversity wasn't based on large scale immigration. You are such a lying turd.

Yes, the more diverse a country becomes, the weaker it becomes. That's a fact. If diversity was truly a strength, you'd see every single country on the planet opening up their borders, removing immigration restrictions and just allowing as many immigrants in as possible. Obviously that's not happening, because people overwhelmingly know diversity is a weakness.

It was about diversity in a country. Well it proves my point that being an empire (thus diverse) leads to strength.

Empire leads to weakness you fool. Name all the empires that existed throughout history and we'll see which ones still exist. Christ you're even dumber than I thought. And when an empire breaks up, there's a reason why they break up along ethnic/religious lines.

Neither does the diversity you're talking about (empire) have anything to do with large scale immigration. This topic is about diversity which is brought about via mass immigration. That is, without a shadow of a doubt, a weakness, as I've demonstrated above.

You picking 3 conflicts over a period of centuries speaks more volume of your own ignorance.

Hahahaha... "conflicts", eh? That proves it - you're a Turk. I've argued with Turks before about this subject and they always make out that these genocides were just simple conflicts where both Turks and Armenians, Greeks & Assyrians died. No. They were genocidal massacres, committed by Muslims, against Christian populations living under the Ottoman empire. And you brought the Ottoman empire up as proof that 'diversity is a strength'? You actually thought that STRENGTHENED your argument? REALLY? Absolutely fucking comical.

Carry on humiliating yourself. I barely even need to reply, you're so dense you just destroy yourself. LOL

 

[goldennirvana]

You can’t even form a sentence without an insult and I’m rage posting? But I’ve read enough, you’re clearly not on my level and are keft resorting to fallacy’s, insults and other degenerate forms of communicating. It was nice having some insight in the world of a completely delusional right wing shit talker

I knew it wouldn't be long before you ran for the exit with your white flag in hand, like your buddy @Nada..

Good day.