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Nakai was a very competent grappler before he started in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. He won his fights before Rickson by submission against miuch bigger fighters, in what I consider THE most impressive display of balls in the history of MMA.
Wrong also, Roger has always expressed interested in mma, and is fighting soon waiting for his strikeforce debut this year.
Undefeated still though
Rickson update:
He has temporarily postponed his seminars due to being hired as a consultant for an ucoming MMA movie. He is also working as a self-defense consultant for another film, the upcoming Elite Squad 2 ( the first one was excellent and a huge hit in Brazil). After he is done with these he will resume his seminars, including an American tour.
Recently he went to Gracie Humaita for a surprise visit, tapped all the blacks there, old and new, again wasn't tapped. Got this from one of the blacks that was there.
The man gets old but apparently he
Rickson has a reason not to believe in cross-training. He has the same mentality as his father, Helio. Helio did not believe in winning fights. Some fights, he said, are impossible to win. He believed in not losing and not getting hurt. He had this belief, that the attacker is always at a disadvantage, and that a man with a perfect technique who does not attack , leaves no holes and can not be defeated.
Rickson believes that training in striking arts will deviate the focus from the principle of jiu jitsu, which is being safe, having no holes in your defense, and attacking when the opponent has an opening. He believes striking exchanges are something of a lottery and he does not believe in risks. He believes in control from beginning to end.
I was just rewatching Choke, and in it Rickson explains his style in his own words.
He says that he seeks to be at a point zero, from where he can react to his opponents' mistakes and finish the fight. Point zero is where you do not expose yourself at all and are perfectly aware of your opponents.
Whenever a fighter attacks, with striking, or shoots in, or takes any chance, he leaves point zero. This is how Helio fought: tight, defensive, and patient, until his opponents made mistakes. This is the basic principle of GracieJiu jitsu as developed by Helio.
When fighting a man of inferior technique, it might compensate to take some minor risks, but against a much bigger, stronger or younger opponent, if you leave point zero he will make you pay.
This is why Rickson critiziced Nog, because Nog strikes, takes risks, instead of being at point zero.
Now, this mentality does not apply to MMA. MMA is a sport, with judges and time limits and rules. Which is why Royce quit the UFC when time was added and only went back to MMA with time limits as an MMA fighter, no longer just pure jiu jitsu.
In the late 90's before i knew who he was, Rickson Gracie dropped in on me while surfing Upper Trestles, a surf spot in San Clemente California. I've been surfing for over 25 years, used to surf in competitions and consider myself well above average skill wise. In surfing, the surfer that is the closest to the breaking part of a wave has priority on that wave, anyone attempting to catch the wave in front of that surfer is "dropping in" which is an act of disrespect. Brazilians are well known in the surfing world for dropping in. It doesn't seem like they are trying to disrespect people, just seems like they are so excited to surf and get a little too aggressive.
Any ways, paddling back out to the lineup after surfing BEHIND Rickson for a while, I had it in my mind i was gonna call this guy out, maybe invite him to the beach if he didn't apologize for this blatant disrespect. I made it back to the lineup and made eye contact with Rickson, just to let him know i didnt appreciate him taking my wave. Thats when i decided to get over it real quick. Just something about the guy told me he was a bad ass. I remember thinking he had a big head and neck. Didn't realize it was him until a year later, when i accompanied a friend of mine to his first jiujitsu competition and saw Rickson there. Needless to say i was glad i didnt get myself choked out on the beach at Trestles that day.
Definitely one of the things i love about jiujitsu-everyone surfs!
Quoting this just because I recently listened to Rener
Amazing story and like you said ...good thing you didn't call him out or you would have been another story in the thread.." there was this surfer who....."In the late 90's before i knew who he was, Rickson Gracie dropped in on me while surfing Upper Trestles, a surf spot in San Clemente California. I've been surfing for over 25 years, used to surf in competitions and consider myself well above average skill wise. In surfing, the surfer that is the closest to the breaking part of a wave has priority on that wave, anyone attempting to catch the wave in front of that surfer is "dropping in" which is an act of disrespect. Brazilians are well known in the surfing world for dropping in. It doesn't seem like they are trying to disrespect people, just seems like they are so excited to surf and get a little too aggressive.
Any ways, paddling back out to the lineup after surfing BEHIND Rickson for a while, I had it in my mind i was gonna call this guy out, maybe invite him to the beach if he didn't apologize for this blatant disrespect. I made it back to the lineup and made eye contact with Rickson, just to let him know i didnt appreciate him taking my wave. Thats when i decided to get over it real quick. Just something about the guy told me he was a bad ass. I remember thinking he had a big head and neck. Didn't realize it was him until a year later, when i accompanied a friend of mine to his first jiujitsu competition and saw Rickson there. Needless to say i was glad i didnt get myself choked out on the beach at Trestles that day.
Definitely one of the things i love about jiujitsu-everyone surfs!
If two people decide to not leave point zero, than the fight officially doesnt exist.
Exactly. Which is why Rener said that traditional BJJ can
Both are saying the same thing: the smaller man can only beat the bigger man by not taking risks. Keep yourself safe until you find an opportunity. In a street fight that
Both are saying the same thing: the smaller man can only beat the bigger man by not taking risks. Keep yourself safe until you find an opportunity. In a street fight that
I wish Rener would just admit that his side stopped competing because the competition was too good.
I understand what you are saying about the "zero position" and I agree to what Rener said about it and I'm sure Rickson also believes in this strategy. Although when he first mentioned the "zero point" in "Choke" I think he is not referring only about the defense mindset but more about being alert, relax but ready for anything unexpected throughout the fight, "connected with the variations" is what he says and follow up with the famous "flow with the go". I don't think he is exclusively talking about defense because he never mention it here but a state of the mind (or no mind?) in general during a fight. Maybe I'm wrong but that is the interpretation I got.