Crime RFK Jr wants to send people on Anti depressants to do forced labor at Farms

"RFK has made baseless claims that the drugs are addictive and cause violent behavior"

FACT: drugs are addictive and cause violent behavior​


Great thread 44Nutcase. Save some meth for the rest of us

He said "These drugs" (referring to anti-depressents), in which case, I don't think you establish a causality that anti-depressants are addictive (in the clinical sense) and *promote* violent behavior.

There is a physiological dependency that occurs with prolonged use, but the same can be said for everything from blood pressure medication to antacids.

Establishing causality with respect to increases in violent behavior is also a strawman argument. While anti-depressant use has been linked to increased suicidal ideation and aggression in a relatively small number of cases, there is overwhelming evidence to suggest that anti-depressants radically reduces anti-social behaviors, compulsions etc. (which are linked to acts of violence).
 
O.K.....why are you so understanding about this subject, yet are cutthroat about my country and its people? In political threads you are all about "cutting the fat". The "fat" involves people that need medicine, like you. The disconnect is so obvious.
I’m not sure what you’re saying here. It’s kinda blathering
 
I’m not sure what you’re saying here. It’s kinda blathering
You are in political threads loving slashing the funds from departments. Some of those departments supply Americans with medicine. It's not so easy to slash when you put a face to the money is it?
 
the addictive part kinda checks out


not quite batting a thousand but are they baseless?

Addiction can be parsed down into multiple sub categories - physiological addiction (which is what happens with anti-depressants) occurs with virtually every drug that you use over a prolonged duration.

Dopamine based addiction (a subset of physiological addiction) is centered around addictive behaviors (i.e. consumption of opiates) that stimulate the "reward" center of the brain and offer immediate feedback.

When people think of getting "addicted to a drug", they are normally referring to the latter. Anti-depressants are commonly used as part of treatment programs to help people overcome substance abuse issues or destructive compulsions like gambling.

But, I suppose at a very high level, you are right, anti-depressants are "addictive" in the sense you can't just drop it cold turkey without some horrible side effects.

Regarding the latter question, the statement isn't baseless, but it's framing the issue in a really deceptive way. Has the use of anti-depressants contributed to acts of violence or self harm ? Yes, but in an extremely small number of cases. Have anti-depressants mitigated against acts of violence or self harm? Yes, by orders of magnitude more than any harm they potentially cause. Anti-depressants have efficacy scores that exceed 95% for people who have attempted suicide, but later sought medical intervention.

Don't get me wrong, I personally feel that anti-depressants are overprescribed, particularly to young people. They also don't work for everyone, and some people may need to try multiple therapies before they feel better. However, on aggregate, they play an instrumental role for people who suffer from not only depressive disorders, but anxiety, OCD etc.

It's important that we don't paint in broad brushes - it is a nuanced problem, and statements like "they are addictive and cause violence" aren't helpful.
 
You are in political threads loving slashing the funds from departments. Some of those departments supply Americans with medicine. It's not so easy to slash when you put a face to the money is it?
You’re talking nonsense
 
It helps us all with brain fog, lol. So does coffee. I am all for an open drug market, but Adderall is pretty dangerous.

"My son has problems in school".

"Here is 60 Adderall for the month".

This is a hard drug, peeps.

ADHD is one of the most un-diagnosed and over-diagnosed conditions out there.
 

What a time to be alive. You take anti depressants and you get set to a concentration camp to do forced labor.
We have reached the Tyson Zone with this administration, nothing they put out that is batshit fucking crazy will even move the needle. I wonder if that was RFK Jr’s idea or his brain worms idea.
Are you going to survive the next 4 years. You seem a little crazy 🤪
 
Addiction can be parsed down into multiple sub categories - physiological addiction (which is what happens with anti-depressants) occurs with virtually every drug that you use over a prolonged duration.
Dopamine based addiction (a subset of physiological addiction) is centered around addictive behaviors (i.e. consumption of opiates) that stimulate the "reward" center of the brain and offer immediate feedback.
When people think of getting "addicted to a drug", they are normally referring to the latter. Anti-depressants are commonly used as part of treatment programs to help people overcome substance abuse issues or destructive compulsions like gambling.
But, I suppose at a very high level, you are right, anti-depressants are "addictive" in the sense you can't just drop it cold turkey without some horrible side effects.
Regarding the latter question, the statement is not baseless, but it's framing the issue in a really deceptive way. Has the use of anti-depressants contributed to acts of violence or self harm ? Yes, but in an extremely small number of cases. Have anti-depressants mitigated against acts of violence or self harm? Yes, by orders of magnitude more than any harm they potentially cause. Anti-depressants have efficacy scores that exceed 95% for people who have attempted suicide, but later sought medical intervention.
Don't get me wrong, I personally feel that anti-depressants are overprescribed, particularly to young people. They also don't work for everyone, and some people may need to try multiple therapies before they feel better. However, on aggregate, they play an instrumental role for people who suffer from not only depressive disorders, but anxiety, OCD etc.
It's important that we don't paint in broad brushes - it is a nuanced problem, and statements like "they are addictive and cause violence" aren't helpful.
I know from personal experience that anti-depressants are "addictive"

The physiological dependance over a prolonged duration part plays a part in any outcome, however limited, that leads to violent or erratic behavior.

Neither claim is baseless. Mother Jones was being deceptive.
 
That keeps coming up, but I have not really dug into it. Any thoughts?
Most SSRIs have side-effects like suicidal thoughts and homicidal ideation listed. So there might definitely be a connection for some of them.
 
I am making you state your position. It's rule #1 in negotiating.

I think you have it in you. Wash your face and get back to me.
On what exactly? I’ve been pretty clear in my positions on medications itt.
 
On what exactly? I’ve been pretty clear in my positions on medications itt.
I was touching on your posts in other threads about cutting off funding to programs that provide medicine to Americans and those abroad. This is where the rubber hits the road. Where your sleepy dream of no taxes and all that nonsense has to actually balance the books.
 
I was touching on your posts in other threads about cutting off funding to programs that provide medicine to Americans and those abroad. This is where the rubber hits the road. Where your sleepy dream of no taxes and all that nonsense has to actually balance the books.
Other countries get medications a lot cheaper than ours. What programs do I want to cut to get cheaper meds here? Clearly the ones we have aren’t working.
 

What a time to be alive. You take anti depressants and you get set to a concentration camp to do forced labor.
We have reached the Tyson Zone with this administration, nothing they put out that is batshit fucking crazy will even move the needle. I wonder if that was RFK Jr’s idea or his brain worms idea.
Im on the fence with this guy.

Much of what he says is baseless, conspiracy related and just batshit crazy.

But stuff like getting rid of bad food, reliance for drugs for obesity and mental illness sound like a good idea

Not sure if his proposals are the best solutions, but frankly dont know much about them.

I think we all agree that our country is not a mentally and definitely not a physical healthy society with people looking for drugs to combat obesity
 
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Other countries get medications a lot cheaper than ours. What programs do I want to cut to get cheaper meds here? Clearly the ones we have aren’t working.
So, we should cut off those programs that provide medicine to dying people while we sort through what the best deal is?

Go fuck a moose.
 
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