"Revolution possible when whites become minority"

[Abezal]

True but initially slavery on the African continent was much rarer before the Europeans arrived. Slavery was used as a punishment for individuals who committed heinous crimes like muder or for PoWs. The huge increase in demand for slaves the Europeans caused lead the Africans to make slavery the punishment for increasingly lesser crimes and to incentivize tribes to go to war specifically for capturing slaves or to go on slaving raids.

Do you just spout whatever ignorant bs that comes to mind or has some moron actually taught you all of it ?

Actually is was prevent as fuck, large chunks of overall all populations were slaves and that long before any Euro civilization rose to any power.

Also Euro and American slave trade was a drop in the ocean compared to places elsewhere, especially to the islamic one who's slave trade was give or take 200/400 times bigger then the american one. So sure as shit it was not the Euro slave trade that had any legitimate effects of economics of scale on Africa. It was the muslim one.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

If you think that proves your point then there is no point in talking to you .

It does not prove my point, but it is a strong example of males abandoning their role as husbands and leaders.

 

[IDL]

Yeah, but the fact that it happens in Korea of all places, just shows that Atheist and those bitching about SJWs are just full of shit.

Its not because of SJWs that women decide to work, its because in modern society you are worth based on your work, no work and you are worthless.

So its not the left wing, its the trickle-down, bootstraps rightwing that drives down birthrates.

There is no doubt that corporations and such appreciate the increased work force and economic factors push women into the work force in modern times, but it isn't just that that drives down birth rates. It has a lot to do with values as well. Religious people tend to have more children for example, and even in Israel they have relatively high birth rates even in the non religious groups (orthodox are higher)

If there is a will to increase birth rates in society, it is very doable. If there is a will to decrease them, that is also very doable. Assuming that will is coming from a place with the means to do so (enough influence on media to use mass psychology for example)

 

[Zankou]

Yeah, but the fact that it happens in Korea of all places, just shows that Atheist and those bitching about SJWs are just full of shit.

Its not because of SJWs that women decide to work, its because in modern society you are worth based on your work, no work and you are worthless.

So its not the left wing, its the trickle-down, bootstraps rightwing that drives down birthrates.

I'd agree that the 'feminism' arguments are too simplistic, because South Korea and Japan have little feminism in our sense. I don't think I'd call it right-wing either, however, because neither nation is particularly right-wing (and definitely not 'trickle-down' in any meaningful sense). What I would say is that *pervasive rationalist competition* has decimated their traditional gender identities. Labor market competition is just one form of this; there are many other forms of competition. Above all, an unrelenting form of meritocratic struggle has been driven into every corner of life, to the point where any negative drag (let's call them children) completely fucks you over.

It's a joke to combine breeding children with a system that embeds such fierce meritocratic competition into every individual's life. You can't have both, it's a contradiction. This is solved in *multicultural* societies by a segregated fast-breeding underclass, who are haplessly non-competitive, but are aligned with wealthy elites who can afford to breed as much as they want. In *homogeneous* societies, you don't get that specialization and stratification. Instead the extension of meritocratic struggle results in a homogeneous nation of ceaseless strivers. They're all in the desperate middle. Those people don't reproduce. Like hamsters on a wheel, they strive for some shitty material crap and the minute advancement of social position.

 

[Rod1]

Do you just spout whatever ignorant bs that comes to mind or has some moron actually taught you all of it ?

Actually is was prevent as fuck, large chunks of overall all populations were slaves and that long before any Euro civilization rose to any power.

Also Euro and American slave trade was a drop in the ocean compared to places elsewhere, especially to the islamic one who's slave trade was give or take 200/400 times bigger then the american one. So sure as shit it was not the Euro slave trade that had any legitimate effects of economics of scale on Africa. It was the muslim one.

You do realize that Africa is almost as big as the entire Asian continent?

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

An article related to this topic at The Federalist.

How Anti-White Rhetoric Is Fueling White Nationalism

White people are being asked—or pushed—to take stock of their whiteness and identify with it more. This is a remarkably bad idea.

In the past year, all of the following headlines have appeared, in well-read publications:

• The White Guy Problem
• White Men Must be Stopped: The Very Future of Mankind Depends on It
• I Don’t Know What To Do With Good White People
• Ten Things White People Need To Stop Saying
• Dear White People: Here’s a List of Things We’d Wish You’d Stop Doing

What is new is the direct indictment of white people as a race. This happened through a strange rhetorical transformation over the past few years. At first, “white men are our greatest threat” postings tended to be ironic, a way of putting the racist shoe on the other foot. They were meant to show that blaming an entire race for the harmful actions of a few individuals is senseless.

Then the tenor changed. What started as irony turned into an actual belief that white people, specifically white men, are more dangerous and immoral than any other people. Loosely backed up by historical inequities and disparities in mass shootings, this position has begun to take a serious foothold.

White people are being asked—or pushed—to take stock of their whiteness and identify with it more. This is a remarkably bad idea. The last thing our society needs is for white people to feel more tribal. The result of this tribalism will not be a catharsis of white identity, improving equality for non-whites. It will be resentment towards being the only tribe not given the special treatment bestowed by victimhood.

Put simply, our anti-racism efforts must be refocused away from guilt and confession and towards equality and eradicating irrational judgments based on race. Some on the Left will object, saying that racism is so systemic in society it must be purged before anyone can pretend to treat of others without taking race into account. Some on the Right will object, saying that everything from IQ tests to crime statistics prove something meaningful about the capabilities of individuals based on their race.

Both of these perspectives must be rejected. In their place, we must return to the goal of treating people as individuals, not as representatives of their race.


http://thefederalist.com/2016/05/23/how-anti-white-rhetoric-is-fueling-white-nationalism/

To be honest I don't find white nationalism, black nationalism, arab nationalism, "Oriental" Nationalism (east Asian whatever is PC) to be bad. As long as the movements are just about preserving the homogeneity of their ancestral homeland and or a right and existence for their people. I think all people have a desire for self preservation. White Nationalism only bothers me when you got Nordcist supremacists and Neo-Nazis within that movement. I am also bothered by the Anti-Semitic attitudes that some self proclaimed "White Nationalist" Trump fans have.


I don't like White Nationalism in America it does not make sense to me. I can completely understand Austrians, Russians, and people from say Slovakia or Hungary wanting their nations to remain 99% white and majority "Germanic, Slavic" or whatever dominant sub-races and ethnic groups dominate their nation and add to its culture. I find the desire to maintain homogeneity to be a natural response and it is practiced EVERYWHERE on the African continent, and on the entirety of the Asian continent and in many Latin American countries (to an extent).

However, the United States to me is meant to be multicultural and as such I don't see why we should be opposed to immigrants. I feel the immigrants America takes in just need assimilate and be of the right backgrounds that easily and culturally mesh with us.

But as I said in the "Trump needs to denounce his radical fans" thread. I am most bothered by Anti-Semitic elements among-st some White Nationalists. However, with that said there are "White Nationalists' elements present in many of the right wing and even moderate right leaning parties in Europe that DO NOT have Anti-semitic elements or radical platforms and seek to protect Jews. I find those parties to be potential allies for the USA and for all people who oppose "the Regressive left" and the encroaching of Islam in the west.

For example it shocked me to read that many French Jews are now voting for that Nationalist party in France. But I suppose it made sense given that the party is not Anti-Semitic like Golden Dawn from Greece nor do they have Neo Nazi sentiments.

I guess my point is that I feel the radical elements within these groups need to be denounced. But outright supporting a right to your own peoples existence and thus self preservation is not something I find to be "racist".

I know you are being sarcastic, but there is some truth to your sarcasm. What have women offered the society with their freedom outside of falling for pathetic marketing schemes and whining about their feelings? Women have brought us terrible things Lilith Fair, The View, 50 Shades of Grey, Twilight, Justin Bieber, #elbowgate, Feminism and more than likely a tyrannical Hillary Clinton presidency.

Woah what is wrong with 50 Shades of Grey? That movie was awesome and so is the books (never read the books) but what is wrong with it?

Maybe it is because I am a freak and love dominating women but I find the normalization of women 'submitting' to men to be good for me. Now because of that movie and because a 'handsome billionaire' convinced the girl to do whatever he wanted you got millions of young women (and bored older single women) who just want to be taken or are willing to experiment with it.

50 Shades of Grey is one of the better things that feminism brought us.

 

[Abezal]

You do realize that Africa is almost as big as the entire Asian continent?

and were talking geography now ?

 

[Islam Imamate]

Do you just spout whatever ignorant bs that comes to mind or has some moron actually taught you all of it ?

Lol, that's rich coming from you

Actually is was prevent as fuck, large chunks of overall all populations were slaves and that long before any Euro civilization rose to any power.

I admit rare was the wrong word. Virtually every tribe practiced slavery and Africans accepted it. What changed was the scale as now Africans were not just enslaving for their own use but to trade with the Europeans.

Also Euro and American slave trade was a drop in the ocean compared to places elsewhere, especially to the islamic one who's slave trade was give or take 200/400 times bigger then the american one. So sure as shit it was not the Euro slave trade that had any legitimate effects of economics of scale on Africa. It was the muslim one.

The Islamic slave trade was there well before but was eventually eclipsed by the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. It stuck around longer too but the scale of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade was larger at its peak.

Besides the two slaves trades operated on opposite ends. The Islamic one was through the Horn of Africa while the European one started in West Africa and spurred raids into Central Africa.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

I don't know if the Muslims had a better or worse idea of blacks. Black Eunuchs were some of the most powerful people within Islamic Empires. Obviously that system had its own barbaric twists like castration but those slaves had a very different place within society.

The Muslim opinion of blacks I think was diminished by the Islamic prohibition of enslaving Muslims, which lead to a reluctance to convert Africans to Islam, which in turn led to the idea that Africans were kaffirs by nature.
Europeans exploited those who could be exploited (being opportunistic as most humans are) but there wasn't the same negative impression of Africans that prevented diplomacy and trade. This is not to say that Europeans weren't racist as fuck. The narrative of racial superiority was in full swing, and being pushed hard, obviously. Islam just appeared to have a lower opinion of black Africans.
Admittedly, my knowledge in this area is rusty.

 

[Rod1]

and were talking geography now ?

Well if you think Muslims fucked up regions they never managed to reach, then yes, you need to learn some geography.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

You do realize that Africa is almost as big as the entire Asian continent?

Asia is a little over 44% larger than Africa.

Try again

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent#Area_and_population

Also Asia= 60% of the Worlds population
Africa= 15%

 

[Abezal]

The Islamic slave trade was there well before but was eventually eclipsed by the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. It stuck around longer too but the scale of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade was larger at its peak.

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lol you just cant help but to spout crap.

Any accounts and figures show the Islamic slave trade numbers higher then the combined Euro/American/South American one. With plenty today estimating as much as 100 million plus, would be no surprise given the short life span of a slave under islam.

Except maybe africans enslaving africans, hard as fuck to estimate. islam is the greatest slaver and murderer of the slaves to ever exist. With a special taste for young kids and women for the philia high areas of islam.

 

[Abezal]

Well if you think Muslims fucked up regions they never managed to reach, then yes, you need to learn some geography.

lol where did i say that, where did i blame muzzies for west africa being a shit hole ?

 

[Islam Imamate]

The Muslim opinion of blacks I think was diminished by the Islamic prohibition of enslaving Muslims, which lead to a reluctance to convert Africans to Islam, which in turn led to the idea that Africans were kaffirs by nature.
Europeans exploited those who could be exploited (being opportunistic as most humans are) but there wasn't the same negative impression of Africans that prevented diplomacy and trade.
Admittedly, my knowledge in this area is rusty.

That reluctance to convert others to Islam to keep them as slaves and, as I understand it more so, to be able to extract the Jizyah tax applied to pretty much all non-Muslim populations though. Also converting to Islam as a slave did not grant you freedom. Muhammad was too pragmatic a guy to allow such an obvious loophole to such a vital institution of Late Antiquity.

In the Islamic world slavery was never as racially charged as it became in the Americas. True blacks were still much more likely to be slaves than Arabs in a caliphate but the institution of slavery included others as well like the white concubines.

I do agree that the driving force behind European slavery of blacks was economics and not racism but the economics eventually incentivized a rigid racial hierarchy as whites were eventually given more rights to prevent them from becoming slaves and white slave owners given more rights over their black slaves. White elites did not want lower class whites having any affinity with black slaves as they did at first. So its not that Europeans were more racist but rather the system they eventually built incentivized a highly racially charged hierarchy.

 

[Islam Imamate]

lol you just cant help but to spout crap.

Any accounts and figures show the Islamic slave trade numbers higher then the combined Euro/American/South American one. With plenty today estimating as much as 100 million plus, would be no surprise given the short life span of a slave under islam.

Except maybe africans enslaving africans, hard as fuck to estimate. islam is the greatest slaver and murderer of the slaves to ever exist. With a special taste for young kids and women for the philia high areas of islam.

Overtime sure I can easily believe that. Slavery in the Islamic world was only outlawed recently. In some places it was only in the 1970s, in Mauritania I think it was as late as 2007. And like I said earlier it was around well before the European slave trade as well.

But the European slave trade surpassed the Islamic one in scale at its height at the time and had a larger effect since it was a shorter but more intense phenomena when compared to the much longer but less pronounced at any one time,at least before the Euro slave trade, Islamic slave trade.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

That reluctance to convert others to Islam to keep them as slaves and, as I understand it more so, to be able to extract the Jizyah tax applied to pretty much all non-Muslim populations though. Also converting to Islam as a slave did not grant you freedom. Muhammad was too pragmatic a guy to allow such an obvious loophole to such a vital institution of Late Antiquity.

In the Islamic world slavery was never as racially charged as it became in the Americas. True blacks were still much more likely to be slaves than Arabs in a caliphate but the institution of slavery included others as well like the white concubines.

I do agree that the driving force behind European slavery of blacks was economics and not racism but the economics eventually incentivized a rigid racial hierarchy as whites were eventually given more rights to prevent them from becoming slaves and white slave owners given more rights over their black slaves. White elites did not want lower class whites having any affinity with black slaves as they did at first. So its not that Europeans were more racist but rather the system they eventually built incentivized a highly racially charged hierarchy.

Good post, but we're going to have to agree to disagree on the racist views Islamic Arabs held specifically towards African blacks.

 

[Abezal]

Overtime sure I can easily believe that. Slavery in the Islamic world was only outlawed recently. In some places it was only in the 1970s, in Mauritania I think it was as late as 2007. And like I said earlier it was around well before the European slave trade as well.

But the European slave trade surpassed the Islamic one in scale at its height at the time and had a larger effect since it was a shorter but more intense phenomena when compared to the much longer but less pronounced at any one time,at least before the Euro slave trade, Islamic slave trade.

Cut the crap, the amount of slaves headed east to muslims was far greater then headed west. Scale of it would dictate it would have a worse effect then the other one, you can argue all you want but the greatest slave owner was Islam. Lets not even get into the treatment they got by Muslims were ten fold worse then in the west. Also eventually the west set the slaves free, Mulsims just Exterminated theirs.

Im also for giving credit where credit is due, Euro slave is quite ignorant. Id wager 90% of it was the French Spanish and Portugese doing. Quite far from a European wide phenomenon really.

 

[Cuzcatlan]

Do you just spout whatever ignorant bs that comes to mind or has some moron actually taught you all of it ?

Actually is was prevent as fuck, large chunks of overall all populations were slaves and that long before any Euro civilization rose to any power.

Also Euro and American slave trade was a drop in the ocean compared to places elsewhere, especially to the islamic one who's slave trade was give or take 200/400 times bigger then the american one. So sure as shit it was not the Euro slave trade that had any legitimate effects of economics of scale on Africa. It was the muslim one.

 

[RespectableDenizen]

African Slavery and Chattel Slavery aren't the same thing, one of the bigger misconceptions out there.

True but you would have to be a simpleton to believe that the reasons African's didn't have chattel slavery was because they were just nicer than Europeans or felt some sort of bond with their African "brothers"

 

[Rod1]

lol where did i say that, where did i blame muzzies for west africa being a shit hole ?

You blame muzzies for teaching Africans chattel slavery.