Retiring means you're no longer available for USADA testing.

[Bad Romance]

I think everybody is on PEDs, at least the top dudes and girls. The intense training that they all go through day after day, year after year just isn't possible without chemical help.

 

[FlyingKimurabar]

Its waive....

And has he officially notified the UFC and USADA in writing of his retirement? Clearly not as Dana states hes no idea if Conor has retired.
Second, its not retroactive so any samples collected prior to USADA getting his notice in writing still count
THird, the 4 month period is only waived in Exceptional circumstances.. retiring, then deciding a month later to unretire is not an exceptional circumstance.

its not a loophole, we see the same rule applied through all olympic level sport.

The point is that his people informed him that his current sample is dirty and he wouldn't pass USADA, so he retires to avoid being tested and pissing dirty. He can then come back in 6 months to a year, clean. Instead of a 2 year suspension, a giant fine, and a ruined reputation.

But no, keep believing the UFC cancelled their biggest money making fight ever because Conor wouldn't attend a press conference... lmao.

 

[Fraser B]

Well Nate called it. Nate is smarter than people think. He always gets it right and has the right idea.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

If you want to go that route, GSP probably has taken something at some point, but i'd bet my house on GSP being clean vs Hendricks, and its why he didn't look as sharp. Hendricks on the other hand, has looked worse after that fight once testing went into effect.

I agree a little, but here's my counter.

Just because Georges looked bad against Hendricks isn't an automatic reasoning that he "must have" been clean.

Hendricks in my opinion, has not looked worse.

Hendricks was in very similar physical shape for his next 3 fights after GSP.

I'm the biggest Robbie fan in the world, but there is a genuine argument Johny won both of those fights. He seemed to be getting worse as the fight went on e.g. rounds 4 and 5 in both fights, but he'd never been 5 rounds before GSP and was never renowned for cardio anyway.

Matt Brown fight he was boring, but solid.

Thompson fight he was in the best condition of his life, 6-pack and everything. Just got beat-up.

You don't go from being a PED user who was "dodging" VADA tests against GSP, with a beer belly and no definition, to fighting Thompson under USADA rules, years into implementation and get shredded. Makes no sense, in terms of claiming he takes PEDs.

I think the idea that Johny takes PEDs and Georges doesn't is hilarious.

 

[dim_]

The point is that his people informed him that his current sample is dirty and he wouldn't pass USADA, so he retires to avoid being tested and pissing dirty. He can then come back in 6 months to a year, clean. Instead of a 2 year suspension, a giant fine, and a ruined reputation.

But no, keep believing the UFC cancelled their biggest money making fight ever because Conor wouldn't attend a press conference... lmao.

what sample? a sample he provided before "retiring" in which case he can still be banned by usada

a sample he provided after "retiring".. a retirement that hasnt officially happened yet

or a sample he hasnt provided yet? In which case drink lots of water and dont answer the door

what sample are you talking about....?

As of right now, this minute, unless Conor has informed the UFC and USADA in writing that he is retiring, he is still in the testing pool

and as long as hes still in the testing pool he can still be banned for whatever reason




his current sample is dirty? what sample? what are you even talking about? do you know what you are talking abut?

 

[Meathead Jock]

I think the idea that Johny takes PEDs and Georges doesn't is hilarious.

Not in that fight its not. GSP took all sorts of drug testing leading up to that fight, it nearly cost him. I won't argue for his prior fights, but I truly believe he was clean vs Hendricks; and i'm a guy who think 85% of main card fighters are cheating.

 

[eclectocrat]

There is nothing like acting like you're innocent by blaming others.

Purely eye-test, but Hendricks sure doesn't look like Georges.

If I was taking PEDs, and I looked like Johny - I'd want whatever Georges is on.

I think most people juice, maybe GSP too, but to compare a single, obsessive, workaholic martial artist, with a known to bloat, family man with many kids, business responsibility laden martial artist - it's not fair.

If anyone could look like GSP naturally it would be someone like GSP, and the other obsessed bachelor, Luke Rockhold. Having a family takes a lot of time away that you could use to get ripped.

That said, everyone juices :/

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

But it didn't work for Royce Gracie, Tim Sylvia, Josh Barnett, Chris Leben etc. In most cases the "eye-test" is no more accurate than just straight up guessing.

Of course some are tough to spot, that's why they are PEDs and not just anabolic steroids. They do different things, they are not all just muscle building juices.

What my point is, is that some are so glaringly obvious that you see them coming a mile off.

Cyborg and Palhares are others, you going to tell me you couldn't tell Cyborg or Palhares were on it without a positive test?

Open the eyes my son

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

GSP never retired.

So are you indirectly saying he's been tested randomly for the last 2 years?

 

[Ginn]

i wish we could discuss


Sorry but no. George Has been on record to retire because there was no USDA testing he wanted usda testing, and advocated for it. the fact that he may return speaks volumes on the situation.

Maybe he has used in the past? who knows.

No he's on record avoiding USADA testing.

That's a fact.

 

[RockyLockridge]

No he's on record avoiding USADA testing.

That's a fact.

Lmao, Okay.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

i wish we could discuss


Sorry but no. George Has been on record to retire because there was no USDA testing he wanted usda testing, and advocated for it. the fact that he may return speaks volumes on the situation.

Maybe he has used in the past? who knows.

But it was in place when he retired...

 

[Air Lats]

Question for you sir.

Are any PEDs beneficial in the long-term for performance without constant use?

Example:

Let's say fighter fights in the UFC from 2005 to 2012 and doesn't get any random testing, so is able to cycle off and on easily. If he then is forced to play by USADA rules, and has to stop the cycling, surely the affects and performance of that substance in his body will be somewhat long-standing or even permanent?

4 months of clean, really mean you're clean? You wouldn't have any advantages?

Absolutely. There is at least one study I know of that shows that long term exogenous testosterone use changes your muscle cells so they are much more prone to hypertrophy YEARS after use. Something about the nucleus of the cell being more centered in the cell or something like that. I'll have to find it and edit.

I also know this from personal experience but I know that's subjective and anecdotal.

 

[Team Sleep]

So are you indirectly saying he's been tested randomly for the last 2 years?

I don't know if he has been, but I do know that he never officially or even unofficially retired. And tbh, I think I actually recall seeing that he was. Will have to look around.

 

[FlyingKimurabar]

what sample? a sample he provided before "retiring" in which case he can still be banned by usada

a sample he provided after "retiring".. a retirement that hasnt officially happened yet

or a sample he hasnt provided yet? In which case drink lots of water and dont answer the door

what sample are you talking about....?

As of right now, this minute, unless Conor has informed the UFC and USADA in writing that he is retiring, he is still in the testing pool

and as long as hes still in the testing pool he can still be banned for whatever reason




his current sample is dirty? what sample? what are you even talking about? do you know what you are talking abut?

The sample he got back from his team which tests him to make sure he's clean. Basically every top pro who juices does this and it's been confirmed by all the top steroid runners from the olympics to MLB.

His team tells him he's going to test dirty in his next USADA test, so he retires to avoid it.

Give me one other good reason why he would retire instead of fighting on the biggest selling PPV in UFC history and by far the biggest payday of his career. Because he didn't want to go to a press conference?

 

[RockyLockridge]

But it was in place when he retired...

That's a crock of shit and you know it. Everyone knew that GSP was going to retire after that fight he had a "special announcement to make", he basically did it in the octagon after he won. Unless you're saying he knew USDA was coming after that fight so he relinquished his title. that's purely speculative, and i cannot comment on that.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

Absolutely. There is at least one study I know of that shows that long term exogenous testosterone use changes your muscle cells so they are much more prone to hypertrophy YEARS after use. Something about the nucleus of the cell being more centered in the cell or something like that. I'll have to find it and edit.

I also know this from personal experience but I know that's subjective and anecdotal.

Great to know, thank you very much.

That kind of proves my point, Overeem I think is a great example of this.

What I'm saying is, everyone is claiming "oh, but you have to be clean for 4 months and they you can fight", as if to say that 4 months will change what a lifetime of use could do.

Glad that I now have further knowledge around that.

 

[JoshR86]

I may get banned one day for "fighter bashing" but I refuse to ignore obvious stuff.

Georges has taken something. Sometime in his career, he has been on something which is classified as a PED. If I could somehow guarantee that I'd get the truth out of him, I would bet the house on it.

You do not look like he does without something being put into you. Definitely doesn't help looking like that and having so many wins that you are a perennial "greatest of all time" candidate.

"Retires" the minute USADA comes into play. Makes a million excuses about not wanting to come back, including one of the excuses being "USADA is good, but it's still not good enough".

Now he's magically returning, and nobody is suspecting that he's essentially had 2 free years to dope the fuck out of himself.

None of this is proven fact, but it's my opinion.

Georges is suspect as fuck!

Lol wtf is this???


He left years before USADA was even an idea, in fact he left because he advocated for OOC testing by a 3rd party and the UFC laughed at him.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

That's a crock of shit and you know it. Everyone knew that GSP was going to retire after that fight he had a "special announcement to make", he basically did it in the octagon after he won. Unless you're saying he knew USDA was coming after that fight so he relinquished his title. that's purely speculative, and i cannot comment on that.

Apologies I think I may be wrong on that. I don't think USADA was in place as far back at 2013.

 

[piepie]

The sample he got back from his team which tests him to make sure he's clean. Basically every top pro who juices does this and it's been confirmed by all the top steroid runners from the olympics to MLB.

His team tells him he's going to test dirty in his next USADA test, so he retires to avoid it.

Give me one other good reason why he would retire instead of fighting on the biggest selling PPV in UFC history and by far the biggest payday of his career. Because he didn't want to go to a press conference?

@ flyingK, i like your thinking!!! i know dimspace knows his stuff, but yeah vegas/nevada has bad luck written all over it. peeps that visit Nevada usually get tested. wasnt sonnen tested in nevada when he was there visiting with helwani???

I also believe FlyingK that your way of reasoning isnt completely off...