ONE Recent fights/results/news from ONE Championship

[Kanka]

@SandisLL you should probably make an effort to understand what the discussions are about before you post.

In this thread they were talking about contracts and you start talking about how boring he is. In other threads you just started talking about stuff without really understanding what the discussion was about aswell. You would save not only your own time but other people's time aswell.

 

[Kanka]

I'm curious about the money laundering allegations.

If they were accused for accounting fraud i would not be surprised. That could happen for various reasons.

In regards to money laundering, there are many complicated schemes that are much cheaper than One FC, and most of all lesd visible. According to the allegations, what money is being transfered to where?

Is there any substance at all behind the suspicion, or is it just something loosely thrown out there?

 

[thunder and fury]

It wont happen, Toby fights at 75kg now which basically puts him in no mans land. I guess he could call out Simon Marcus.

Simon is done , hasn't fought in year .
I Don't think 75 KG is no man zone at all , maybe for Thai boxer but there's allot of match-up .
Let Tobby fight Chanajon , Vitaly Gurkov , Saiyok , Too Too , Eddie Fareel ( they fought once I think ) , Rungrawee ( who has been tearing everyone ) , Vasyl Sorokin , Naimjon Tuhtaboyev , Dejrit Sathian Muay Thai Gym , Keivan Soleimani , Yodsanklai ( Kunlun was about to make Yod VS Krauss at 75 ) , Jamal Yusupov ( probably can make 75 KG ) , other western style Muay Thai fighter who fight in kickboxing .

 

[thunder and fury]

why would ONE sign Buakaw? It seem like Buakaw breaks more contracts then he fulfills since he left K-1 and at 37 why waste money a guy who might get pissed at a decision and just quits.

Buakaw getting pissed by a decision ? The irony he has been the guy who got robbed the most and still is better than everyone else as well as having the best resume in K-1 ( and top 3 best resume at 70 KG of this era ) .
Where are all the fights that Buakaw quit ?
Buakaw has been accused of lots of things but a quitter ? That's new .

 

[thunder and fury]

HE IS BORING.
I maybe will watch Kehl, that is considered as not that good than Buakaw.
Fans can watch boring Buakaw, and Buakaw his last few fights was BORING TO WATCH.

Buakaw boring ? Alright maybe it's time to stop posting .

 

[thunder and fury]

That's a good way to go bancrupt.

So why not sign Samart , Somrak or Jomhod while we are at it then .
JWP is done he is at best ( if he trained like crazy ) worthy of Superchamp or Max Muay Thai i think .
A guy like Yohann Drai , Charlie Peters , Oleksander Moisa , Liam Harrison ( even at 70 KG ) , old man Yodsanklai , Bangpleenoi , Pongsiri , Dejrit , George Mann and Yusopov all of those guy aren't the top dogs at 70 KG but they would still stomp on JWP in 1 rounds at most .
Look at Andy Howson , same thing very embarrassing .
We don't need to see great fighter who old get destroyed , they should stay in a gym and be a trainer not get back in the ring in the best organization in the world and get eaten like they were amateur .
I would say even a guy like Nong-O Superchamp ( the one who almost killed Luis Passos ) would still beat JWP up with ease .

 

[SandisLL]

Buakaw boring ?

Boring doesn't means bad. He is very good.

 

[Yodsanan]

So why not sign Samart , Somrak or Jomhod while we are at it then .
JWP is done he is at best ( if he trained like crazy ) worthy of Superchamp or Max Muay Thai i think .
A guy like Yohann Drai , Charlie Peters , Oleksander Moisa , Liam Harrison ( even at 70 KG ) , old man Yodsanklai , Bangpleenoi , Pongsiri , Dejrit , George Mann and Yusopov all of those guy aren't the top dogs at 70 KG but they would still stomp on JWP in 1 rounds at most .
Look at Andy Howson , same thing very embarrassing .
We don't need to see great fighter who old get destroyed , they should stay in a gym and be a trainer not get back in the ring in the best organization in the world and get eaten like they were amateur .
I would say even a guy like Nong-O Superchamp ( the one who almost killed Luis Passos ) would still beat JWP up with ease .

I haven't enjoyed a JWP fight in almost a decade, that's not the point. Signing someone as well known as JWP is more beneficial than signing 10 better, unknown fighters.

 

[Kanka]

Yeah, no amount of Yohann Drai or Nong-O Superchamp have this type of following

 

[Mickf]

I'm curious about the money laundering allegations.

If they were accused for accounting fraud i would not be surprised. That could happen for various reasons.

In regards to money laundering, there are many complicated schemes that are much cheaper than One FC, and most of all lesd visible. According to the allegations, what money is being transfered to where?

Is there any substance at all behind the suspicion, or is it just something loosely thrown out there?

Its venture capital money from singapore as far as i know. There was a few articles put on here before about it. Chatri got a few hundred million of them. Got money from them originally then got another injection of cash a year or two ago.
In the article it showed he used some creative accounting to indicate more growth than there actually was. Like including tickets that they had bartered for services and given away for free as ticket sales. Thus indicating more people were paying to go see these fights than actually were. There was quite a few othere instances of creative accounting.
But the money they got seems to be legit money. They will risk this money when things are going well. I can't see them doing it now.

 

[Kanka]

Its venture capital money from singapore as far as i know. There was a few articles put on here before about it. Chatri got a few hundred million of them. Got money from them originally then got another injection of cash a year or two ago.
In the article it showed he used some creative accounting to indicate more growth than there actually was. Like including tickets that they had bartered for services and given away for free as ticket sales. Thus indicating more people were paying to go see these fights than actually were. There was quite a few othere instances of creative accounting.
But the money they got seems to be legit money. They will risk this money when things are going well. I can't see them doing it now.

Makes sense.

 

[Shadess]

Yea there's nothing of any real substance to any ONE money laundering talk. It's basically just "why the fuck would anyone invest so much into this" when they're essentially just wasting their money. Up till the end of 2017 ONE generated very little actual revenue (based on their own financial filings). Haven't seen any indication that things have changed much. They just upped the rate at which they burn money after they got the last 150mil or whatever it was. They give away tons and tons of tickets for every show, then claim the events as sell outs. They just make up numbers like that one time they didn't agree with nielsen's numbers they just multiplied them by 5.

They buy their social media views and then claim they're popular based on those views
https://www.facebook.com/ads/librar...esc&sort_data[mode]=relevancy_monthly_grouped

Things need to drastically change for ONE to actually be viable somehow. They'd desperately need an Asian MMA Pacquiao/McGregor of their own or something. They do not even remotely have one at this moment.

 

[Kanka]

Yea there's nothing of any real substance to any ONE money laundering talk. It's basically just "why the fuck would anyone invest so much into this" when they're essentially just wasting their money. Up till the end of 2017 ONE generated very little actual revenue (based on their own financial filings). Haven't seen any indication that things have changed much. They just upped the rate at which they burn money after they got the last 150mil or whatever it was. They give away tons and tons of tickets for every show, then claim the events as sell outs. They just make up numbers like that one time they didn't agree with nielsen's numbers they just multiplied them by 5.

They buy their social media views and then claim they're popular based on those views
https://www.facebook.com/ads/librar...esc&sort_data[mode]=relevancy_monthly_grouped

Things need to drastically change for ONE to actually be viable somehow. They'd desperately need a Asian MMA Pacquiao/McGregor or something. They do not even remotely have one at this moment.

I mean a lot of companies aren't making profit but keep raising a lot of money. Usually it's tech companies that have a very scalable products and a "winner takes all" effect.

About the Pacquiao/McGregor thing you might actually you might be onto something. UFC has some big potential matchups like Khabib vs Tony, Khabib vs McGregor and Adesanya vs Jon Jones. Might not happen, but people are intrigued for those fights.

In boxing, events seem even more profitable than MMA, even when the fighters aren't so famous. Can anyone explain what makes boxing more profitable?

 

[Shadess]

Meant they need their own biiiiiiig star, probably wrote it in a bit confusing way

And yeah a lot of companies do, our financial systems are kind of broken at this point IMO. All the netflix's, uber's etc. of the world...sigh. There's a big difference from a lot of those companies to ONE though, Netlix, Uber and friends (usually) actually have a lot of paying customers and money coming in, even if they're not profitable right now. Anyone here spent money on ONE?

I feel like this is probably the 5th time or so I've written these same kinds of things about ONE lol.

 

[SandisLL]

Yeah, no amount of Yohann Drai or Nong-O Superchamp have this type of following

For me most interesting stuff from Buakaw was his excellence in some clinches.
Deepest respect.
I don't mean striking in clinch.
Destabilisation when in these moments he didn't striked anymore, there a bit calm and then like thunder…….less than 0,2 seconds moments and sharp, fast and short range movements, just 0,5-1-2 inches one side and another side, and ………………….. falling started.
With this Buakaw was my beauty KING to watch.
Yes, for some aspects he still is a bit my beautiful KING.

I needed far more amplitude to do this in harsh h2h sparring and more time.

 

[tru3f4n]

Buakaw getting pissed by a decision ? The irony he has been the guy who got robbed the most and still is better than everyone else as well as having the best resume in K-1 ( and top 3 best resume at 70 KG of this era ) .
Where are all the fights that Buakaw quit ?
Buakaw has been accused of lots of things but a quitter ? That's new .

not quiting in fights but like already said the stuff he did after the loss to Enriko Kehl and pulling a Randy Couture to get away from Por. Pramuk Gym.

 

[Kanka]

Meant they need their own biiiiiiig star, probably wrote it in a bit confusing way

And yeah a lot of companies do, our financial systems are kind of broken at this point IMO. All the netflix's, uber's etc. of the world...sigh. There's a big difference from a lot of those companies to ONE though, Netlix, Uber and friends (usually) actually have a lot of paying customers and money coming in, even if they're not profitable right now. Anyone here spent money on ONE?

I feel like this is probably the 5th time or so I've written these same kinds of things about ONE lol.

It will never be as profitable as those services. But i think they just need to reach that treshold where they become profitable enough for thd investors to recover their investments. I think they're more purpose driven than profit driven. If investors only wanted high returns, they would probably have invested that money in other companies lol.

 

[Shadess]

How likely is that to happen though?

Very roughly: in 2017, without the barter nonsense (so just sold tickets, tv revenue etc.) , their actual money income was ~$4.5mil and they lost ~$24mil. Those are singapore dollars to usd conversions at current rates so not sure how accurate they are, but gives a sense of the scale anyway.

After that: their costs have clearly gone way up with getting more expensive fighters, hiring more people, going crazy with the facebook ads, paying Petrosyan a million, throwing couple million at esports prizepools, now spending money on doing their version of The Apprentice etc. I just don't see how they would have that much more money coming in now. They're still mass giving away free tickets and they haven't really gotten any massive paying tv deals, that I know of anyway. Doubt streaming on youtube is going to cover it.

 

[Kanka]

How likely is that to happen though?

Very roughly: in 2017, without the barter nonsense, their actual money income was $4.5mil and they lost $24mil.

After that: their costs have clearly gone way up with getting more expensive fighters, hiring more people, going crazy with the facebook ads, paying Petrosyan a million, throwing couple million at esports prizepools, now spending money on doing their version of The Apprentice etc. I just don't see how they're making that much more money now compared to then. They're still mass giving away free tickets and they haven't really gotten any massive paying tv deals, that I know of anyway. Doubt streaming on youtube is going to cover it.

I have no idea, can only speculate. The only financial information i've seen is from the Bloody Elbow report in 2018. You're right, they have probably not increased their revenues that much, since then, but it doesn't seem to be the focus to become profitable yet, at this moment. Based on how much capital they seem to be able to raise, i think they can go on at least a couple of years, and hopefully have built a big enough audience by then to be profitable. Not saying it will happen, but i get the impression that's what they're aiming for. I also think it's more likely their main sources of revenue will be paid partnerships and sponsorship, not ticket sales.
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/10/17/17976862/one-championship-look-finances-mma-one-fc-losses

If there are new numbers available anywhere, i'd be very curious to see them.

Also, we don't know who they're outsourcing the expenses to. It could be that subsidiaries of holding firms are recipients of ONE expenses or benefitting indirectly in some ways. This is just pure speculation from my part but i wouldn't exclude indirect gains for other firms owned by the shareholders.

 

[SandisLL]

I just don't see how they would have that much more money coming in now. They're still mass giving away free tickets and they haven't really gotten any massive paying tv deals, that I know of anyway. Doubt streaming on youtube is going to cover it.

YT, depends how many clients they will get for channels and how long they will watch, God and YT will know better.
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Some businesses pump in xxx intitially and get only x, then makes great deals and are starting to earn A LOT.
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Hevily depends from PR machine success and connections too, might be bright, might be not.

Will see, I don't know.