Reasons why Jon popped (from a PED user)

[TheAmericanGazelle]

This thread started off so nice too...

This is why we can't have nice things.

 

[The Big Bang]

Well I didn't say every pro athlete. I just said top athlete You know - the ones in front of the ones you personaly know. Nevermind.


Well my mom has problems and she never used. It doesn't have to be related. But orals are much more dangerous for the liver and can harm you a lot. I don't do orals.

But this thread is not about me.

My poit was - just because he faild one test and passed the ones before, it doesn't mean he was clean before.

You're being NARROW-MINDED.

Pro sports encompass a WIDE array of athletes.

And yes, I do know some who are at the forefront.

Not everyone on Sherdog is sheltered from the outside world.

In fact, there are athletes of note who fucking post here...unbeknownst to almost everyone, but I digress.

The bottom line is that...you don't speak for all top pro athletes.

 

[egk]

'Stay stupid' is not an argument. It's a quip. The murder analogy demonstrates why your argument is moronic.

More evidence you have a very low IQ. You can't accept you're wrong and will just dig in. Enjoy staying stupid.

 

[Hardkore]

Now you are just making excuses for him. Lets see what he said:



Like I said, retarded.

LOL like I said you can't tell the difference between the rhetorical and literal.

 

[Coolidge]

Yup I'm sure he meant EVERY athlete.

I know you're fully capable of reading and comprehending.

You can't get any clearer than 'not a single top athlete'. If he didn't mean 'not a single top athlete', then he shouldn't have said 'not a single top athlete'. How exactly would he have phrased it if actually meant 'not a single top athlete'?

 

[Hardkore]

You're being NARROW-MINDED.

Pro sports encompass a WIDE array of athletes.

And yes, I do know some who are at the forefront.

Not everyone on Sherdog is sheltered from the outside world.

In fact, there are athletes of note who fucking post here...unbeknownst to almost everyone, but I digress.

The bottom line is that...you don't speak for all top pro athletes.

Its an opinion, not fact so relax.

 

[Coolidge]

More evidence you have a very low IQ. You can't accept you're wrong and will just dig in. Enjoy staying stupid.

'Enjoy staying stupid' is not an argument. Proof and evidence are synonymous and that is backed up by multiple dictionary definitions. The fact that the sports world is riddled with PED users is not evidence of anything.

 

[Hardkore]

I know you're fully capable of reading and comprehending.

You can't get any clearer than 'not a single top athlete'. If he didn't mean 'not a single top athlete', then he shouldn't have said 'not a single top athlete'. How exactly would he have phrased it if actually meant 'not a single top athlete'?

You have the same problem like Melas

 

[dr.Mitch]

Well Rich Piana died today.... Might want to have second thoughts on taking PEDs.

First of all - rich piana abused, not used. And he was a junki. Drug addict. Alcoholic. Painkiller adict. Wellit all adds up. Sure someone who wasn't on peds died today also.

 

[Coolidge]

You have the same problem like Melas

No, I'm just intellectually honest.

And you did not answer the question. How would a person that literally meant 'not a single top athlete' have phrased it instead? If saying 'not a single top athlete' is not indicative of someone being literal, then what would be?

 

[ramair455]

OK guys, I'm a former bodybuilder and now a powerlifter. Been on peds for 3 years now, and studied them a lot.

Argument "Jon Jones must have took turinabol after the weigh ins cause he passed all the test before that" is not valid.

1) They don't test for everything every time.
2) There are masking agents that help prevent detection
3) Some things you won't detect in urine but will in blood
4) Many athletes who failed a drug test said they were on 5 different things that didn't pop up on the test (Ben Johnson)
5) Mirko admited use of small amounts of HGH and then passed the test.

Turinabol metabolites stay captured in your fat cells for up to 250 days. You start a weight cut and something you took like 7 months ago and you think you don't need to mask anymore cause it's out of your system - well surprise!

I've seen people who i know use pass the tests no problem not even trying to hide it.

Why would he use Turinabol? Well i guess he had an efficient way of hiding it, so it was a good choice. Miscalculated a few things and there you go. Probably if the fight was at HW and he didn't have to cut weight he would pass the test.

As Sonnen said - if you're in this world the moment the guy takes his shirt off - you know whats up.

That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge.

Artists take drugs for inspiration. Orchestra musicians beta blockers. Archers, swimmers, table tenis...

There are designer drugs that cannot be detected. They are moleculaly alterd versions of the cheap stuff I get and that's why I pay my stuff 100$ a month, and Marion Jones paid her stuff 20 000$. And She never failed a test. Lance Armstrong never failed a test.

Jon was reckless. That is all.

- This is my opinion from expirience and knowing certain things and people. Maybe I'm wrong, but there is a big chance I'm completely right.

EDIT: - https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/probably-the-best-ped-insights-you-will-ever-see-in-this-interview.412846/

Could you please elaborate on "the signs" when someone takes there shirt off other than increased muscle mass. Sonnen said the same thing about JDS as well..."the moment he took his shirt off I knew"...

 

[giusti825]

OK guys, I'm a former bodybuilder and now a powerlifter. Been on peds for 3 years now, and studied them a lot.

Argument "Jon Jones must have took turinabol after the weigh ins cause he passed all the test before that" is not valid.

1) They don't test for everything every time.
2) There are masking agents that help prevent detection
3) Some things you won't detect in urine but will in blood
4) Many athletes who failed a drug test said they were on 5 different things that didn't pop up on the test (Ben Johnson)
5) Mirko admited use of small amounts of HGH and then passed the test.

Turinabol metabolites stay captured in your fat cells for up to 250 days. You start a weight cut and something you took like 7 months ago and you think you don't need to mask anymore cause it's out of your system - well surprise!

I've seen people who i know use pass the tests no problem not even trying to hide it.

Why would he use Turinabol? Well i guess he had an efficient way of hiding it, so it was a good choice. Miscalculated a few things and there you go. Probably if the fight was at HW and he didn't have to cut weight he would pass the test.

As Sonnen said - if you're in this world the moment the guy takes his shirt off - you know whats up.

That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge.

Artists take drugs for inspiration. Orchestra musicians beta blockers. Archers, swimmers, table tenis...

There are designer drugs that cannot be detected. They are moleculaly alterd versions of the cheap stuff I get and that's why I pay my stuff 100$ a month, and Marion Jones paid her stuff 20 000$. And She never failed a test. Lance Armstrong never failed a test.

Jon was reckless. That is all.

- This is my opinion from expirience and knowing certain things and people. Maybe I'm wrong, but there is a big chance I'm completely right.

EDIT: - https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/probably-the-best-ped-insights-you-will-ever-see-in-this-interview.412846/

Do you believe legalizing PEDs would make pro sports safer instead of forcing athletes to the black market for designer drugs?

 

[Coolidge]

Its an opinion, not fact so relax.

'Its an opinion' It's an opinion that doesn't have any real substance or basis behind it.

 

[Hardkore]

No, I'm just intellectually honest.

And you did not answer the question. How would a person that literally meant 'not a single athlete' have phrased it instead?

If you think a guy who's posting on Sherdog is the spokesperson for the scientific community, you're even stupider than I thought.

The TS is basing his opinions on his own empirical knowledge and anecdotal experiences. So to take everything as the literal and the end all to be all, you are a complete moron.

 

[Coolidge]

If you think a guy who's posting on Sherdog is the spokesperson for the scientific community, you're even stupider than I thought.

The TS is basing his opinions on his own empirical knowledge and anecdotal experiences. So to take everything as the literal and the end all to be all, you are a complete moron.

That has nothing to do with what I just said. The fact that his post is opinion-based does not mean he didn't literally mean 'not a single top athlete...'. And you still haven't answered the question/s: How would a person that literally meant 'not a single top athlete' have phrased it instead? If saying 'not a single top athlete' is not indicative of someone being literal, then what would be?

 

[dr.Mitch]

I know you're fully capable of reading and comprehending.

You can't get any clearer than 'not a single top athlete'. If he didn't mean 'not a single top athlete', then he shouldn't have said 'not a single top athlete'. How exactly would he have phrased it if actually meant 'not a single top athlete'?

Sorry. I ment most. Most. Not every single one in the world in every sport. YOU WIN SIR. I SHOULD HAVE SAID MOST.

Bute every single man in this thread understood the bottom line. Well...most did.

Let's move on.

 

[giusti825]

Well Rich Piana died today.... Might want to have second thoughts on taking PEDs.

RIP Rich....

That said....

Stop comparing PED users who use for an inhuman aesthetic (bodybuilders, pro wrestlers) to PED users who use for athletic perfomance.....

One of the two is volutarily giving themselves obesity, while the other is improving strength cardio and recovery.....there is a HUGE difference in the way the drugs are used, the exercise the athletes do and the results they get.....

Think of PED use for athletic performance like NBA players who live into their 70s and 80s.....

Think of PED use for inhuman aesthetic (voluntary morbid obesity) like the pro wrestlers and bodybuilder who die in their 50s......

one is a sign of mental illness.....the other is just trying to improve actual athletic performance....

 

[Hardkore]

'Its an opinion' It's an opinion that doesn't have any real substance or basis behind it.

"OK guys, I'm a former bodybuilder and now a powerlifter. Been on peds for 3 years now, and studied them a lot."

Where did he say he's a scientist or has peer reviewed evidence? Obviously this is from personal experience, but I'll still take his experiences over your moronic ramblings any day of the week.

 

[GSP1978]

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You really should learn that logic. It's an entirely plausible hypothesis that virtually all major athletes are cheating in some way or another.

However, the OP did make one logical mistake. I'm a scientist, and when you write scientific papers you want to avoid absolute statements. For example, you don't say "every single major athlete is cheating"; instead, you say "virtually all ..." or "the vast majority of major athletes are likely cheating in some form or another". This way you're leaving room in your language for that minority percentage. It is true that a small percentage of top tier athletes are likely clean... but I would argue this number would be less than 1%.

So I mostly agree with the OP -- I'd say over 99% of top tier pro athletes are cheating in some way or another.

You can speculate that 99% of pro athletes are cheating. That's a wonderful hypothesis. It doesn't make it true, nor have you tested it.

I have no idea what percentage of athletes are cheating. My suspicion is that many are, but I'm speculating as are you.

As has been noted previously, passing a PED test does not establish that a fighter is not using PEDs. However, we are equally flawed if we conclude that fighters are using PEDs without any supporting evidence. I hate the "Tyron Woodley has to be juicing just look at him!" argument. Its not even an argument, its an unfounded allegation. Further, how is Tyron Woodley or GSP or any other fighter supposed to refute unsubstantiated, unsupported allegations?

 

[Coolidge]

Sorry. I ment most. Most. Not every single one in the world in every sport. YOU WIN SIR. I SHOULD HAVE SAID MOST.

Bute every single man in this thread understood the bottom line. Well...most did.

Let's move on.

'Not a single top athlete' and 'most' are two very different things. Why would someone assume that you meant 'most' from 'not a single top athlete'. There are a couple of dishonest posters in here doing some revisionist history now, but it's pretty clear what you actually said. Now, if you want to change your original statement (which was completely different), then that's perfectly fine. But don't pretend like you meant 'most' all along. You actually tried to support the 'not a single top athlete' in your very first response, as did 'Hardkore' with his 'human nature' comment.