Reasons why Jon popped (from a PED user)

Hardkore said:
Agreed, but I'm willing to venture most of those guys who are having health issues probably abused it too
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Probably, for sure. That's why I said I think it can be done right. It is easier said than done, as it is addictive... gains are addictive, progress is addictive, and like anything else it creeps further out of control over time.
 
Wait, there are still naivee fans who believe in clean high end athletes?

Get out of the couch and hit some train guys, check the real world by yourselves.
 
The Big Bang said:
"That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge."

That's simply untrue.

I know people (men and women) who play pro sports that aren't into PEDs.

But hey, you're a bodybuilder...NOT an athlete, so what would you know?

...not much at all.

Not EVERY pro athlete is a cheater.

Period.
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Idiots like to say that just because their favorite fighter popped. Or, if they're using the drugs themselves, like TS, it's a good way to reassure themselves that they aren't doing anything wrong. 'Hey, they're all doing it, so why can't I?'.
 
dr.Mitch said:
OK guys, I'm a former bodybuilder and now a powerlifter. Been on peds for 3 years now, and studied them a lot.

Argument "Jon Jones must have took turinabol after the weigh ins cause he passed all the test before that" is not valid.

1) They don't test for everything every time.
2) There are masking agents that help prevent detection
3) Some things you won't detect in urine but will in blood
4) Many athletes who failed a drug test said they were on 5 different things that didn't pop up on the test (Ben Johnson)
5) Mirko admited use of small amounts of HGH and then passed the test.

Turinabol metabolites stay captured in your fat cells for up to 250 days. You start a weight cut and something you took like 7 months ago and you think you don't need to mask anymore cause it's out of your system - well surprise!

I've seen people who i know use pass the tests no problem not even trying to hide it.

Why would he use Turinabol? Well i guess he had an efficient way of hiding it, so it was a good choice. Miscalculated a few things and there you go. Probably if the fight was at HW and he didn't have to cut weight he would pass the test.

As Sonnen said - if you're in this world the moment the guy takes his shirt off - you know whats up.

That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge.

Artists take drugs for inspiration. Orchestra musicians beta blockers. Archers, swimmers, table tenis...

There are designer drugs that cannot be detected. They are moleculaly alterd versions of the cheap stuff I get and that's why I pay my stuff 100$ a month, and Marion Jones paid her stuff 20 000$. And She never failed a test. Lance Armstrong never failed a test.

Jon was reckless. That is all.

- This is my opinion from expirience and knowing certain things and people. Maybe I'm wrong, but there is a big chance I'm completely right.

EDIT: - https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/probably-the-best-ped-insights-you-will-ever-see-in-this-interview.412846/
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Great Post..ty. I am on TRT and have tried several PED's years ago. I also lived in ABQ area where JacksnWink MMA is. THEY ALL USE... Its a science and the IV situation is also something that needs to be looked as as they have a MASTER IV man. The proverbial Mad Scientist for Health AND PERFORMANCE
 
Coolidge said:
Proof: "The spoken or written evidence in a trial." - Oxford



I'm happy for you. I never disputed the idea that 'most' of them are using. I disputed the ridiculous claim that all are using.
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Proof is made up of evidence but not all evidence is proof.

You give evidence in this thread of someone with a low IQ. I can't prove it without actually seeing your test results.

If your finger prints are at a murder scene that could be evidence you committed a murder. It's not proof. Especially If your lawyer can show you were there for some other reason and previously left your prints. Why is this subtle difference so hard for you to understand?
 
Hardkore said:
Clearly he meant the majority, I think you have problems differentiating between the rhetorical and literal.
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That's disingenuous and contradicted by his own statements.

"I don't like to generalize, but if I take the so I could pull 700 lbs of the flor in my garage - if it was worth hundreds of thousands of dollars? There are a lot of clean athletes. Maybe even top guys who get a great season, fighters who have a great fight. But tu be consistent on that level for a long time naturally? Nope."
 
dr.Mitch said:
OK guys, I'm a former bodybuilder and now a powerlifter. Been on peds for 3 years now, and studied them a lot.

Argument "Jon Jones must have took turinabol after the weigh ins cause he passed all the test before that" is not valid.

1) They don't test for everything every time.
2) There are masking agents that help prevent detection
3) Some things you won't detect in urine but will in blood
4) Many athletes who failed a drug test said they were on 5 different things that didn't pop up on the test (Ben Johnson)
5) Mirko admited use of small amounts of HGH and then passed the test.

Turinabol metabolites stay captured in your fat cells for up to 250 days. You start a weight cut and something you took like 7 months ago and you think you don't need to mask anymore cause it's out of your system - well surprise!

I've seen people who i know use pass the tests no problem not even trying to hide it.

Why would he use Turinabol? Well i guess he had an efficient way of hiding it, so it was a good choice. Miscalculated a few things and there you go. Probably if the fight was at HW and he didn't have to cut weight he would pass the test.

As Sonnen said - if you're in this world the moment the guy takes his shirt off - you know whats up.

That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge.

Artists take drugs for inspiration. Orchestra musicians beta blockers. Archers, swimmers, table tenis...

There are designer drugs that cannot be detected. They are moleculaly alterd versions of the cheap stuff I get and that's why I pay my stuff 100$ a month, and Marion Jones paid her stuff 20 000$. And She never failed a test. Lance Armstrong never failed a test.

Jon was reckless. That is all.

- This is my opinion from expirience and knowing certain things and people. Maybe I'm wrong, but there is a big chance I'm completely right.

EDIT: - https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/probably-the-best-ped-insights-you-will-ever-see-in-this-interview.412846/
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Agreed. And the only reason so many UFC fighters are testing positive is because the UFC implemented fucking USADA testing.

The NFL, NBA and all the other major sports, let alone sports organizations in Africa, Asia, South America, Central America, and Eastern Europe have drug testing that is a joke. NFL style drug testing is a joke if you did not know.
 
Coolidge said:
Idiots like to say that just because their favorite fighter popped. Or, if they're using the drugs themselves, like TS, it's a good way to reassure themselves that they aren't doing anything wrong. 'Hey, they're all doing it, so why can't I?'.
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Idiots like to practice self-delusion to pretend their favorites aren't on something too. It's become the modern version of "pro wrestling is real to me, dammit".
 
egk said:
Proof is made up of evidence but not all evidence is proof.

You give evidence in this thread of someone with a low IQ. I can't prove it without actually seeing your test results.

If your finger prints are at a murder scene that could be evidence you committed a murder. It's not proof. Especially If your lawyer can show you were there for some other reason and previously left your prints. Why is this subtle difference so hard for you to understand?
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Nope. Proof is evidence and vice-versa. They are synonymous and interchangeable. Making personal attacks isn't going to change that.

You just said that the mere fact that the sports world is riddled with PEDs is evidence that all or most are using.

If we apply that to a murder prosecution, then the mere fact that the world is riddled with murderers is evidence of the person's guilt.

Hint: It's not.
 
dr.Mitch said:
OK guys, I'm a former bodybuilder and now a powerlifter. Been on peds for 3 years now, and studied them a lot.

Argument "Jon Jones must have took turinabol after the weigh ins cause he passed all the test before that" is not valid.

1) They don't test for everything every time.
2) There are masking agents that help prevent detection
3) Some things you won't detect in urine but will in blood
4) Many athletes who failed a drug test said they were on 5 different things that didn't pop up on the test (Ben Johnson)
5) Mirko admited use of small amounts of HGH and then passed the test.

Turinabol metabolites stay captured in your fat cells for up to 250 days. You start a weight cut and something you took like 7 months ago and you think you don't need to mask anymore cause it's out of your system - well surprise!

I've seen people who i know use pass the tests no problem not even trying to hide it.

Why would he use Turinabol? Well i guess he had an efficient way of hiding it, so it was a good choice. Miscalculated a few things and there you go. Probably if the fight was at HW and he didn't have to cut weight he would pass the test.

As Sonnen said - if you're in this world the moment the guy takes his shirt off - you know whats up.

That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge.

Artists take drugs for inspiration. Orchestra musicians beta blockers. Archers, swimmers, table tenis...

There are designer drugs that cannot be detected. They are moleculaly alterd versions of the cheap stuff I get and that's why I pay my stuff 100$ a month, and Marion Jones paid her stuff 20 000$. And She never failed a test. Lance Armstrong never failed a test.

Jon was reckless. That is all.

- This is my opinion from expirience and knowing certain things and people. Maybe I'm wrong, but there is a big chance I'm completely right.

EDIT: - https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/probably-the-best-ped-insights-you-will-ever-see-in-this-interview.412846/
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Well Rich Piana died today.... Might want to have second thoughts on taking PEDs.
 
Coolidge said:
Nope. Proof is evidence and vice-versa. They are synonymous and interchangeable. Making personal attacks isn't going to change that.

You just said that the mere fact that the sports world is riddled with PEDs is evidence that all or most are using.

If we apply that to a murder prosecution, then the mere fact that the world is riddled with murderers is evidence of the person's guilt.

Hint: It's not.
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Geezus christ. I give up. Stay stupid.
 
egk said:
Idiots like to practice self-delusion to pretend their favorites aren't on something too. It's become the modern version of "pro wrestling is real to me, dammit".
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Unless they've popped or shown real signs of steroid use, then they have no reason to believe otherwise.
 
dr.Mitch said:
OK guys, I'm a former bodybuilder and now a powerlifter. Been on peds for 3 years now, and studied them a lot.

Argument "Jon Jones must have took turinabol after the weigh ins cause he passed all the test before that" is not valid.

1) They don't test for everything every time.
2) There are masking agents that help prevent detection
3) Some things you won't detect in urine but will in blood
4) Many athletes who failed a drug test said they were on 5 different things that didn't pop up on the test (Ben Johnson)
5) Mirko admited use of small amounts of HGH and then passed the test.

Turinabol metabolites stay captured in your fat cells for up to 250 days. You start a weight cut and something you took like 7 months ago and you think you don't need to mask anymore cause it's out of your system - well surprise!

I've seen people who i know use pass the tests no problem not even trying to hide it.

Why would he use Turinabol? Well i guess he had an efficient way of hiding it, so it was a good choice. Miscalculated a few things and there you go. Probably if the fight was at HW and he didn't have to cut weight he would pass the test.

As Sonnen said - if you're in this world the moment the guy takes his shirt off - you know whats up.

That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge.

Artists take drugs for inspiration. Orchestra musicians beta blockers. Archers, swimmers, table tenis...

There are designer drugs that cannot be detected. They are moleculaly alterd versions of the cheap stuff I get and that's why I pay my stuff 100$ a month, and Marion Jones paid her stuff 20 000$. And She never failed a test. Lance Armstrong never failed a test.

Jon was reckless. That is all.

- This is my opinion from expirience and knowing certain things and people. Maybe I'm wrong, but there is a big chance I'm completely right.

EDIT: - https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/probably-the-best-ped-insights-you-will-ever-see-in-this-interview.412846/
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Well written, solid examples and insightful - a rarity around here unfortunately

Thanks for the read
 
Coolidge said:
That's disingenuous and contradicted by his own statements.

"I don't like to generalize, but if I take the so I could pull 700 lbs of the flor in my garage - if it was worth hundreds of thousands of dollars? There are a lot of clean athletes. Maybe even top guys who get a great season, fighters who have a great fight. But tu be consistent on that level for a long time naturally? Nope."
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Yup I'm sure he meant EVERY athlete.
 
Time to ban ts for 4 years imo.
 
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