Reasons why Jon popped (from a PED user)

Krixes said:
Damn.... Why the hell would someone take a drug that stays in your system for 250 days on fight night when they knew they would be drug tested by USADA???
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My guess is they conduct their own testing to see if the levels are detectable. Do that for a long time and you may get confident.
Probably didn't include dehydration in the math though.
 
Washad said:
I hope you're not competing in IPF.
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I compete by IPF rules but not in tested orgs. I'm open about my ped use among peers and I compete only in untested orgs. But all the guys who compete in ipf just cycle off in time. And that is it.
 
Coolidge said:
"That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge."

Don't throw away your credibility with ridiculous hyperbole like this. Common sense would tell you that out of the thousands of top athletes in the world at least some of them are competing clean.
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want to believe that MM is clean, right? haha
 
Coolidge said:
"That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge."

Don't throw away your credibility with ridiculous hyperbole like this. Common sense would tell you that out of the thousands of top athletes in the world at least some of them are competing clean.
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He's absolutely right, though. Who would you point to in the UFC and say 'that guys is clean'? Maybe Mark Hunt or Daniel Cormier? But DC put is hands on the towel during a weigh-in. He knew he couldn't make weight and rested his hands, taking 2-3 pounds off the scale. That's cheating right there. It may not be PED level cheating, but it's cheating.

He's not saying every top athlete is using anabolic steroids and cheating the max. He's just saying that they'll find some small way to cheat and get an edge. Many athletes boost their hematocrit by drawing blood from themselves and storing it, then injecting concentrated red blood cells before the fight/event. You can get more red blood cells this way and thus slightly better cardio. If done right this can be difficult to detect and confirm blood doping. This may not be outright EPO doping to boost red blood cell production, but it's pretty darn close.

As the saying goes, "if you ain't cheating, you ain't tryin".
 
Alpha_T83 said:
He's absolutely right, though. Who would you point to in the UFC and say 'that guys is clean'? Maybe Mark Hunt or Daniel Cormier? But DC put is hands on the towel during a weigh-in. He knew he couldn't make weight and rested his hands, taking 2-3 pounds off the scale. That's cheating right there. It may not be PED level cheating, but it's cheating.

He's not saying every top athlete is using anabolic steroids and cheating the max. He's just saying that they'll find some small way to cheat and get an edge. Many athletes boost their hematocrit by drawing blood from themselves and storing it, then injecting it later before the fight. You can get more red blood cells this way and thus slightly better cardio. If done right this can be difficult to detect and confirm blood doping. This may not be outright EPO doping to boost red blood cell production, but it's pretty darn close.

As the saying goes, "if you ain't cheating, you ain't tryin".
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He's absolutely wrong. None of us have any evidence to say that not a single top athlete in the world is clean. It's moronic on its face. Just because he's using performance enhancing drugs and actual top athletes are using them, doesn't mean they all are.
 
Melas Chasma said:
Proof?
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Coolidge said:
"That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge."

Don't throw away your credibility with ridiculous hyperbole like this. Common sense would tell you that out of the thousands of top athletes in the world at least some of them are competing clean.
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Human nature
 
TriangleMonkey said:
Funny how many people defend the shit out of him when hes consistently fucking up.

The people he gets to rub shoulders with because of his brothers alone should open the flood gates of the best PEDs in the world
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This is a good point, his brothers are involved with the most dialed in sport concerning steroids out there.
 
Coolidge said:
He's absolutely wrong. None of us have any evidence to say that not a single top athlete in the world is clean. It's moronic on its face.
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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You really should learn that logic. It's an entirely plausible hypothesis that virtually all major athletes are cheating in some way or another.

However, the OP did make one logical mistake. I'm a scientist, and when you write scientific papers you want to avoid absolute statements. For example, you don't say "every single major athlete is cheating"; instead, you say "virtually all ..." or "the vast majority of major athletes are likely cheating in some form or another". This way you're leaving room in your language for that minority percentage. It is true that a small percentage of top tier athletes are likely clean... but I would argue this number would be less than 1%.

So I mostly agree with the OP -- I'd say over 99% of top tier pro athletes are cheating in some way or another.
 
dr.Mitch said:
No but my gf wrecked my ford fiesta in to another ford fiesta on the parking lot recently and fled the scene. Does that count?
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Only if she was driving while license invalid on her way to pick you up some dick pills
 
dr.Mitch said:
OK guys, I'm a former bodybuilder and now a powerlifter. Been on peds for 3 years now, and studied them a lot.


As Sonnen said - if you're in this world the moment the guy takes his shirt off - you know whats up.

That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge.

- This is my opinion from expirience and knowing certain things and people. Maybe I'm wrong, but there is a big chance I'm completely right.
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I'll bite. People will probably be bashing you for it but I understand it's just your opinion. If you're on PEDs and in that world, you certainly have more knowledge on the subject than I do. I'm a cynic and agree with the opinion that's become a meme thanks to the Diaz brothers. "Everybody is on steroids".

I'll ask your opinion. Given the above, after taking his shirt off what would you suspect someone like DC is on? :p

My own opinion is something designed to help him make weight more easily.
 
Alpha_T83 said:
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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Didn't say it was. I said none of us have any actual evidence to support that claim, which is a fact. That platitude 'absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' is not a substitute for evidence. If somebody is going to claim that there isn't a single top athlete on the planet that isn't using, they need evidence -- not just anecdotes and conjecture.
 
Alpha_T83 said:
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You really should learn that logic. It's an entirely plausible hypothesis that virtually all major athletes are cheating in some way or another.

However, the OP did make one logical mistake. I'm a scientist, and when you write scientific papers you want to avoid absolute statements. For example, you don't say "every single major athlete is cheating"; instead, you say "virtually all ..." or "the vast majority of major athletes are likely cheating in some form or another". This way you're leaving room in your language for that minority percentage. It is true that a small percentage of top tier athletes are likely clean... but I would argue this number would be less than 1%.

So I mostly agree with the OP -- I'd say over 99% of top tier pro athletes are cheating in some way or another.
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I think most people understand the "everybody's on steroids" argument is hyperbole. Sonnen estimated two years ago that close to 100% of the fighters were on something. Which one became a meme?
 
Zeppeling said:
Do you think using peds for temporary vanity is worth life long consequences? Not bashing, just wondering
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I don't smoke, I don't drink. Many people do. Smoking and drinking - zero good effects, thousands bad. People die of smoking. And they just do it for no reason.

I believe that if you use peds smart - you will only be healthier. How bad can something that repairs your muscle, bones and joints faster be?

Like I said. People KNOW smoking will take like 15 years of their life and they do it just for what? Nothing.
Certainly there are more PROs then CONs for 500mg os testosterone weekly.

And you have to know the difference between using and abusing.
 
Coolidge said:
Saying 'human nature' does not prove that every single top athlete is using performance enhancing drugs.
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Not every, but I would say more than half in every top sport in the world.
 
Coolidge said:
Didn't say it was. I said none of us have any actual evidence to support that claim, which is a fact. That platitude 'absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' is not a substitute for evidence. If somebody is going to claim that there isn't a single top athlete on the planet that isn't using, they need evidence -- not just anecdotes and conjecture.
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You're mistaking evidence for proof. The fact they're top fighters in a sport riddled with PED users is evidence. Proof is when guys actually get popped and, as we've seen, even that isn't always concrete. Dick pills and contaminated supplements and foot creams, etc, etc.
 
egk said:
I think most people understand the "everybody's on steroids" argument is hyperbole. Sonnen estimated two years ago that close to 100% of the fighters were on something. Which one became a meme?
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Apparently not. We have people in this thread arguing a literal interpretation of everybody's on steroids, which is stupefying even by Sherdog standards.
 
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