Reasons why Jon popped (from a PED user)

[quantiqus]

OK guys, I'm a former bodybuilder and now a powerlifter. Been on peds for 3 years now, and studied them a lot.

Argument "Jon Jones must have took turinabol after the weigh ins cause he passed all the test before that" is not valid.

1) They don't test for everything every time.
2) There are masking agents that help prevent detection
3) Some things you won't detect in urine but will in blood
4) Many athletes who failed a drug test said they were on 5 different things that didn't pop up on the test (Ben Johnson)
5) Mirko admited use of small amounts of HGH and then passed the test.

Turinabol metabolites stay captured in your fat cells for up to 250 days. You start a weight cut and something you took like 7 months ago and you think you don't need to mask anymore cause it's out of your system - well surprise!

I've seen people who i know use pass the tests no problem not even trying to hide it.

Why would he use Turinabol? Well i guess he had an efficient way of hiding it, so it was a good choice. Miscalculated a few things and there you go. Probably if the fight was at HW and he didn't have to cut weight he would pass the test.

As Sonnen said - if you're in this world the moment the guy takes his shirt off - you know whats up.

That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge.

Artists take drugs for inspiration. Orchestra musicians beta blockers. Archers, swimmers, table tenis...

There are designer drugs that cannot be detected. They are moleculaly alterd versions of the cheap stuff I get and that's why I pay my stuff 100$ a month, and Marion Jones paid her stuff 20 000$. And She never failed a test. Lance Armstrong never failed a test.

Jon was reckless. That is all.

- This is my opinion from expirience and knowing certain things and people. Maybe I'm wrong, but there is a big chance I'm completely right.

EDIT: - https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/probably-the-best-ped-insights-you-will-ever-see-in-this-interview.412846/

Great post. But your arguments don't matter, because his cuckhold fanboys don't listen to arguments and they will continue to afirm that:
- why would he take steroids a day before the fight?
- steroids don't give you any advantage, therefore Jones is still GOAT.

 

[The Big Bang]

Its an opinion, not fact so relax.

I take issue with blanket statements as sports are a vital part of my life.

Yes, I know of MANY PEOPLE who partake of various PEDs, but it's not as super rampant as commonly believed.

 

[Zeppeling]

I don't smoke, I don't drink. Many people do. Smoking and drinking - zero good effects, thousands bad. People die of smoking. And they just do it for no reason.

I believe that if you use peds smart - you will only be healthier. How bad can something that repairs your muscle, bones and joints faster be?

Like I said. People KNOW smoking will take like 15 years of their life and they do it just for what? Nothing.
Certainly there are more PROs then CONs for 500mg os testosterone weekly.

And you have to know the difference between using and abusing.

I get what you're saying but to justify one danger by proposing more serious dangerous is not the right train of thought imo. The only thing I know of peds, especially steroids, is the serious consequence it has on the heart and liver. risk of cancer, diabetes, heart disease, strokes etc. you may be able to downplay the seriousness of it by showing consequences of other dangerous substances, but one doesn't have to replace the other. I imagine a clean life, in fact I know it to be true, would be infinitely healthier and wiser.

Hopefully it doesn't sound like I'm coming down in you, but athletes with millions of dollars and supervised use have died younger than 45 from abuse.

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

Pics of TS without a shirt on?

Asking for a friend.

 

[GSP1978]

He's absolutely wrong. None of us have any evidence to say that not a single top athlete in the world is clean. It's moronic on its face. Just because he's using performance enhancing drugs and actual top athletes are using them, doesn't mean they all are.

I agree. While I suspect many are using PEDs and the USADA testing has shed some light on the rampant use, to reach this conclusion is irresponsible.

We simply don't know. We can make reasonable inferences, but without evidence it is pure speculation.

Another problem with assuming that all athletes is cheating is that it mitigates the cheaters who have been caught and throws everyone in the swamp.

 

[Coolidge]

"OK guys, I'm a former bodybuilder and now a powerlifter. Been on peds for 3 years now, and studied them a lot."

Where did he say he's a scientist or has peer reviewed evidence? Obviously this is from personal experience, but I'll still take his experiences over your moronic ramblings any day of the week.

That question doesn't even follow what you responded to. It's not about whether he claimed to be a credentialed scientist or whatever. It's about whether he actually meant 'not a single top athlete' when he said 'not a single top athlete'. I don't have a problem with the rest of the post, only that part. TS tarnished what otherwise was a good post by peddling the lie that clean athletes don't exist at the top level.

 

[The XL]

Most of that is legit, but there is no need to throw water on the accomplishments and ability of people like Cormier and others. USADA is no joke, and there have been guys who have looked just as good and not popped for anything since the start of their testing.

 

[dr.Mitch]

'Not a single top athlete' and 'most' are two very different things. Why would someone assume that you meant 'most' from 'not a single top athlete'. There are a couple of dishonest posters in here doing some revisionist history now, but it's pretty clear what you actually said. Now, if you want to change your original statement (which was completely different), then that's perfectly fine. But don't pretend like you meant 'most' all along. You actually tried to support the 'not a single top athlete' in your very first response, as did 'Hardkore' with his 'human nature' comment.

Cause nobody sain means everybody when they say everybody. And I believe s such high amount od top athletes in the world is in peds that i rounded it to everybody. Like i paid 100$ for the shoes but they were actually 95.95. I just didn't think it makes a difference in the point I was trying to make.

Please read the link i posted in the opoening post. The bigest steroid dealer for top athletes says - all of them. If you don't believe me believe him. Im sure he has better insight then me. That doesnt mean there isn't a single champion in the world that is clean.

 

[Godzilla3232]

Nope. Proof is evidence and vice-versa. They are synonymous and interchangeable. Making personal attacks isn't going to change that.

You just said that the mere fact that the sports world is riddled with PEDs is evidence that all or most are using.

If we apply that to a murder prosecution, then the mere fact that the world is riddled with murderers is evidence of the person's guilt.

Hint: It's not.

I'll help out with this.

Proof is having video footage of me murdering my neighbors. It PROVES I'm guilty.

Evidence is the police finding a threatening email I sent to my neighbors. It implicates my guilt, but it doesn't PROVE it.

Proof is you testing positive for PEDs. Evidence is me finding a needle in your Gym bag.


There isn't really proof, or even evidence that most pro athletes are using, though, at least not to any kind of legal standard. It's just something that feels very likely based on the nature of physical competition.

So, he's right on the semantics argument, and you're right that popular belief doesn't qualify as evidence.

 

[Coolidge]

Cause nobody sain means everybody when they say everybody. And I believe s such high amount od top athletes in the world is in peds that i rounded it to everybody. Like i paid 100$ for the shoes but they were actually 95.95. I just didn't think it makes a difference in the point I was trying to make.

Please read the link i posted in the opoening post. The bigest steroid dealer for top athletes says - all of them. If you don't believe me believe him. Im sure he has better insight then me. That doesnt mean there isn't a single champion in the world that is clean.

"Politicians are dishonest."

^That implies most.

"Not a single politician at the top level of government is honest."

^That doesn't.

...

You haven't crunched any numbers. You don't have any real data. You haven't even comprehensively analyzed one sport, much less all of them. So to come out with a figure as high as 95%, doesn't make any sense. It's worthless.

 

[dr.Mitch]

"Politicians are dishonest."

^That implies most.

"Not a single politician at the top level of government is honest."

^That doesn't.

...

You haven't crunched any numbers. You don't have any real data. You haven't even comprehensively analyzed one sport, much less all of them. So to come out with a figure as high as 95%, doesn't make any sense. It's worthless.

my bad

 

[bubbleboyjones]

As has been noted previously, passing a PED test does not establish that a fighter is not using PEDs.

This has been my major issue with banning PEDs to begin with. How can you ban something in competition that you can't enforce? You create a major loophole.

 

[MikalP]

lmao @ how effected people got about the "not a single" comment

congrats, you argued for 7 pages about him not saying "most" instead. now what?

 

[Fedorer13]

"That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge."

Don't throw away your credibility with ridiculous hyperbole like this.

Good point. Also your avatar intrigues me.

 

[cevo]

As Sonnen said - if you're in this world the moment the guy takes his shirt off - you know whats up.

That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge./

Lol, you don't know the first thing about this subject if you believe this.

 

[Coolidge]

So, he's right on the semantics argument, and you're right that popular belief doesn't qualify as evidence.

Not rehashing the other stuff.

The highlighted part is what matters. Not only that, but the fact that the sport is riddled with PEDs doesn't qualify as evidence, either.

 

[Anderson Aldo]

Damn.... Why the hell would someone take a drug that stays in your system for 250 days on fight night when they knew they would be drug tested by USADA???

He explained it.

 

[BoomCannon]

First of all - rich piana abused, not used. And he was a junki. Drug addict. Alcoholic. Painkiller adict. Wellit all adds up. Sure someone who wasn't on peds died today also.

i 'm sure what you are doing to what he did is not comparable, however, using PEDs definitely increases your chance for serious issues.

 

[MyEnglishIsPeperoni]

Cause nobody sain means everybody when they say everybody. And I believe s such high amount od top athletes in the world is in peds that i rounded it to everybody. Like i paid 100$ for the shoes but they were actually 95.95. I just didn't think it makes a difference in the point I was trying to make.

Please read the link i posted in the opoening post. The bigest steroid dealer for top athletes says - all of them. If you don't believe me believe him. Im sure he has better insight then me. That doesnt mean there isn't a single champion in the world that is clean.

Spiegel TV ... are people still watching this shit? im from germany ... thats why i lol. i remember their shiti articel about hackers ... gosh.


anyway ... im sure that many guys take stuff and they will not stop ... doesnt matter if school/competition/whatever, but there are still guys, who dont take stuff. im sure that gus/hunt dont take stuff.

 

[Khabib Fan]

Lol the pro's are coming out of the woodwork on this one.