Reasons why Jon popped (from a PED user)

[drbolony]

OK guys, I'm a former bodybuilder and now a powerlifter. Been on peds for 3 years now, and studied them a lot.

Argument "Jon Jones must have took turinabol after the weigh ins cause he passed all the test before that" is not valid.

1) They don't test for everything every time.
2) There are masking agents that help prevent detection
3) Some things you won't detect in urine but will in blood
4) Many athletes who failed a drug test said they were on 5 different things that didn't pop up on the test (Ben Johnson)
5) Mirko admited use of small amounts of HGH and then passed the test.

Turinabol metabolites stay captured in your fat cells for up to 250 days. You start a weight cut and something you took like 7 months ago and you think you don't need to mask anymore cause it's out of your system - well surprise!

I've seen people who i know use pass the tests no problem not even trying to hide it.

Why would he use Turinabol? Well i guess he had an efficient way of hiding it, so it was a good choice. Miscalculated a few things and there you go. Probably if the fight was at HW and he didn't have to cut weight he would pass the test.

As Sonnen said - if you're in this world the moment the guy takes his shirt off - you know whats up.

That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge.

Artists take drugs for inspiration. Orchestra musicians beta blockers. Archers, swimmers, table tenis...

There are designer drugs that cannot be detected. They are moleculaly alterd versions of the cheap stuff I get and that's why I pay my stuff 100$ a month, and Marion Jones paid her stuff 20 000$. And She never failed a test. Lance Armstrong never failed a test.

Jon was reckless. That is all.

- This is my opinion from expirience and knowing certain things and people. Maybe I'm wrong, but there is a big chance I'm completely right.

EDIT: - https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/probably-the-best-ped-insights-you-will-ever-see-in-this-interview.412846/

Are DC, Holloway, or TJ dirty?

 

[tombombadil]

I don't smoke, I don't drink. Many people do. Smoking and drinking - zero good effects, thousands bad. People die of smoking. And they just do it for no reason.

I believe that if you use peds smart - you will only be healthier. How bad can something that repairs your muscle, bones and joints faster be?

Like I said. People KNOW smoking will take like 15 years of their life and they do it just for what? Nothing.
Certainly there are more PROs then CONs for 500mg os testosterone weekly.

And you have to know the difference between using and abusing.

It is a good theory, and I still believe it can be done, buuuuut, as a guy who used a bit in his twenties and then stopped after a couple of years, ALL the guys I know from then who kept using are having some kind of health problem now that 40 has hit. Stomach and liver, especially.
I still think it can be done smart, though.

 

[unimackpass]

I don't smoke, I don't drink. Many people do. Smoking and drinking - zero good effects, thousands bad. People die of smoking. And they just do it for no reason.

I believe that if you use peds smart - you will only be healthier. How bad can something that repairs your muscle, bones and joints faster be?

Like I said. People KNOW smoking will take like 15 years of their life and they do it just for what? Nothing.
Certainly there are more PROs then CONs for 500mg os testosterone weekly.

And you have to know the difference between using and abusing.

Great thread. Are you concerned how your body will react when your totally off steroids after prolonged usage?
Also would you recommend people over 40 getting and staying in shape for general activity doing light cycles now and then?

 

[DarkneT]

Yes, top ones. There are hundreds of sports (really, thousands, but only so many of them count) and thousands of athletes between them. Only a fool would think that it's impossible for a clean athlete to compete in the upper echelon.

Maybe like a darts player or something I'll give ya

 

[baba2008]

Yea but did you wreck your Bentley into a pregnant woman on cocaine at your bodybuilding competition ???

Pregnant women shouldn't use cocaine ...

 

[dr.Mitch]

"That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge."

That's simply untrue.

I know people (men and women) who play pro sports that aren't into PEDs.

But hey, you're a bodybuilder...NOT an athlete, so what would you know?

...not much at all.

Not EVERY pro athlete is a cheater.

Period.

Well I didn't say every pro athlete. I just said top athlete You know - the ones in front of the ones you personaly know. Nevermind.

It is a good theory, and I still believe it can be done, buuuuut, as a guy who used a bit in his twenties and then stopped after a couple of years, ALL the guys I know from then who kept using are having some kind of health problem now that 40 has hit. Stomach and liver, especially.
I still think it can be done smart, though.

Well my mom has problems and she never used. It doesn't have to be related. But orals are much more dangerous for the liver and can harm you a lot. I don't do orals.

But this thread is not about me.

My poit was - just because he faild one test and passed the ones before, it doesn't mean he was clean before.

 

[dr.Mitch]

Maybe like a darts player or something I'll give ya

Profesional darts players use beta blockers and othjer medication that calm you.

 

[Hardkore]

Thats completely different than claim everybody is using, like TS said. Saying everyone is using is retarded.

Clearly he meant the majority, I think you have problems differentiating between the rhetorical and literal.

 

[egk]

You said 'not true' to a direct quote from Merriam-Webster.

"Synonymsattestation, confirmation, corroboration, documentation, proof, substantiation, testament, testimonial, testimony, validation, voucher, witness" - Merriam-Webster

My claim: Proof and evidence are synonymous.

Yes, it's true.

Miriam Webster is listing it like that because people use them interchangeably in common language usage. They're not the same thing and I showed you that. You're apparently one of those people who take things literal and find something that agrees with your position and take it as proof. Evidence is what raises suspicion. Proof is concrete.

The fact MMA is riddled with PED users is evidence most all are using. I'll certainly believe fighters who say that vary thing over you.

 

[tombombadil]

Well I didn't say every pro athlete. I just said top athlete You know - the ones in front of the ones you personaly know. Nevermind.


Well my mom has problems and she never used. It doesn't have to be related. But orals are much more dangerous for the liver and can harm you a lot. I don't do orals.

But this thread is not about me.

My poit was - just because he faild one test and passed the ones before, it doesn't mean he was clean before.

I liked your thread. It's good. I'm not talking two buddies, I mean about 8/8

 

[Coolidge]

Miriam Webster is listing it like that because people use them interchangeably in common language usage. They're not the same thing and I showed you that. You're apparently one of those people who take things literal and find something that agrees with your position and take it as proof. Evidence is what raises suspicion. Proof is concrete.

The fact MMA is riddled with PED users is evidence most all are using. I'll certainly believe fighters who say that vary thing over you.

They are the same thing.

By your logic, if there was a murder case, a prosecutor could simply say that the world is riddled with murderers and that would be considered evidence of the person's guilt. No, it wouldn't be considered evidence, because it doesn't actually support or prove anything. It's meaningless.

 

[DarkneT]

Profesional darts players use beta blockers and othjer medication that calm you.

Uhh, badminton???

 

[Hardkore]

It is a good theory, and I still believe it can be done, buuuuut, as a guy who used a bit in his twenties and then stopped after a couple of years, ALL the guys I know from then who kept using are having some kind of health problem now that 40 has hit. Stomach and liver, especially.
I still think it can be done smart, though.

Agreed, but I'm willing to venture most of those guys who are having health issues probably abused it too

 

[Money509]

Yes, likely to be true. Coming from a big jones fan. Just hoping somehow he is innocent lol.

 

[Joohnmatrix]

So this means Jones could have been spiked in any one of those 250 days???

 

[dr.Mitch]

Uhh, badminton???

I played badminton once and I was sore fore like 5 days. My hams and ass omg. Those fu**ers are on something for sure

 

[NILLI]

Good stuff. I have read in many different articles the same things. People think he just suddenly started to take the drug at the time of the weightings. He must have used some masking agent or some shit and it failed or the test were just updated.

 

[Coolidge]

Proof is concrete.

Proof: "The spoken or written evidence in a trial." - Oxford

The fact MMA is riddled with PED users is evidence most all are using. I'll certainly believe fighters who say that vary thing over you.

I'm happy for you. I never disputed the idea that 'most' of them are using. I disputed the ridiculous claim that all are using.

 

[DLX]

Well is everybodies on it, nothing should happen to him, right?

 

[Coolidge]

Maybe like a darts player or something I'll give ya

Or all of them.