Reasons to like DDP's chances against izzy.

Dricus looked very powerful on Saturday. Adesanya is more technical and definitely faster but he could still get caught or get stuck in a trap. Exciting fight to be sure.
 
Hezekiah said:
It's funny how so many people have done a 180 on Du Plessis. Before the Whittaker fight he was getting destroyed and had no chance as he was out of his depth (not what I thought). Now he's favourite aagainst Adesanya <45>
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Typical pre-Adesanya buildup. "Adesanya is going to get starched" "He's mentally shooked" "X opponent is the second coming of Anderson" "He's going to wrestle!"

I'm not saying Dricus has no chance, it's a fight. But elite fighters minimize the chance for these surprise outcomes and Adesanya is top of food chain level elite. If you're going to beat Adesanya your leg kick defense and offense must be on point! Dricus doesn't have that striking and Adesanya won't allow him to close distance without sniping him. If Dricus tries to bumrush then he's getting flash KO'd like Whittaker/Brunson. This fight is tailor made for another Adesanya highlight finish.
 
i dont like izzy. but ddp has very few ways to win here. he needs to follow the jan b gameplan. get izzy tired, land TDs, dont let him get up, have a ref like from the moreno/pantoja fight that refuses to stand guys up.

there isn't some 'code' to crack or weakness in his standup. ddp is nowhere near the level of izzy or pereira. if he just stands in front like costa did he's getting eaten up
 
If DDP is planning on winning there's no doubt in my mind his wrestling and size will be the determinate factor here.

Personally I'm not sure how much DDP can learn from the jan fight. I always thought it was very uncharacteristic of Izzy to stand and trade in the center with Jan like that. Probably underestimated him and Midway through the fight was too tired to defend Jan's takedowns. If we know Izzy he's going to circle around the cage and avoid any exchanges where he doesn't feel like he has the advantage
 
fortheo said:
We need to start looking at this guy as a serious threat to the title, so I'll start by mentioning some of his attributes that I think make him a threat to izzy:
  • He is one of the biggest Middleweights at 6'1 with 76 inch reach, and according to himself he weighs 210 lbs on fight night (sometimes more). Both guys that izzy lost to were able to match izzy's length to some degree and make their size felt in the octagon. DDP is taller, longer and just bigger than the vast majority of middle weights that izzy has been fighting, so izzy might not be as safe at range as he typically is.
  • He has a significant grappling advantage. I don't think there is much debate here. If he gets on top of izzy, he'll be a big problem.
  • He is a switch stance fighter. Izzy relies on leg kicks as a large part of his game, but it takes more time to break down switch stance fighters with leg kicks than it does for fighters who spend the majority of their time in one stance.
  • He throws a good amount of low kicks himself. He is no Pereira, but he does attack the legs and most people don't do that to izzy.
  • Big power
  • Very good chin.

How do you guys think they match up?
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Agreed on all points. And he fucking goes for it, no fucks given. Honestly, even if I hadn't have seen the Rob fight, I'd of liked his chances more against Izzy than Rob.

Still picking Izzy to win, but with much less confidence than I did pre Whittaker. Pretty excited for the fight actually.
 
I still think his style plays into Adesanya's counter heavy game and Adesanya's TDD is still very good at 185. DDP can beat him of course as he incredibly strong, has very awkward movement standing, and the grappling is where he could excel if he can keep Adesanya down, but I think Izzy will use his aggressiveness against him, pick and prod at him from a distance with the kicks and eventually counter him.

I know recency bias is strong and DDP continues to impress, but Izzy has proven to be durable and incredibly smart. In order to win he's probably going to have to utilize a grappling heavy gameplan, wear on Izzy to tire him out and look to finish late, get a sub or dominate control time. So while DDP could of course win, I don't favor him in the fight. Adesanya has very few fans left on the forum, but I do think he's a very good fighter and should be the favorite. With all that said, after Saturday night, I'm much more intrigued by this matchup.
 
ExitLUPin said:
Rob and Marvin got Izzy down multiple times and Dricus has better TDs than either considering his size, strength and athleticism. Higher TD rate at higher % than either too. Alex has gotten Izzy down

The difference is Dricus is one of only 2-3 fighters who can actually grappler offensively. He can find submissions, land big GNP, and dominate from top. Izzys opponents for his career outside of Jan and Kelvin had miniscule to no grappling offense unlike Dricus so the times Izzy was taken down he didnt have to worry about being finished or hurt. He does now.
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He’s got a chance because he’s powerful, gritty, has some defense and like you said, offensive grappling.
 
He's dangerous in all areas. A finisher in all areas.

Izzy has never dealt with anything like that. Most fights he's only had to worry about striking. Robert Whittaker was well rounded but not a finisher.
 
Tweak896 said:
Anyone who engages Izzy will put on a good fight. Look at how Gastelum did. You have to have it in you to pressure Izzy and get inside with confidence. Whittaker/Vettori/Cannonier were content to play the outside point battle and gave us terrible fights.

You have to just bring your A game when you close distance on Izzy to get inside and keep at it. If he is unable to take you out with a counter, it becomes more of a war of attrition.
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Yep Izzy is the type of fighter where you either have to be the better striker, or rush him and don't give him space to outstrike you and keep moving...
 
fortheo said:
We need to start looking at this guy as a serious threat to the title, so I'll start by mentioning some of his attributes that I think make him a threat to izzy:
  • He is one of the biggest Middleweights at 6'1 with 76 inch reach, and according to himself he weighs 210 lbs on fight night (sometimes more). Both guys that izzy lost to were able to match izzy's length to some degree and make their size felt in the octagon. DDP is taller, longer and just bigger than the vast majority of middle weights that izzy has been fighting, so izzy might not be as safe at range as he typically is.
  • He has a significant grappling advantage. I don't think there is much debate here. If he gets on top of izzy, he'll be a big problem.
  • He is a switch stance fighter. Izzy relies on leg kicks as a large part of his game, but it takes more time to break down switch stance fighters with leg kicks than it does for fighters who spend the majority of their time in one stance.
  • He throws a good amount of low kicks himself. He is no Pereira, but he does attack the legs and most people don't do that to izzy.
  • Big power
  • Very good chin.

How do you guys think they match up?
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Very interesting for sure. His striking seems very rudimentary and he's very hittable though.
 
lefthighkick01 said:
Yep Izzy is the type of fighter where you either have to be the better striker, or rush him and don't give him space to outstrike you and keep moving...
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He's a damn good counter striker so if you're not going to give him space you have to have good defense and not make mistakes.
 
Only weakness Izzy has is that he is human and can get KO by a super powerful puncher like Potato. I don't know what DDP is going to do to him but he's seen it all before. No reason to think DDP is going to win this.
 
fortheo said:
We need to start looking at this guy as a serious threat to the title, so I'll start by mentioning some of his attributes that I think make him a threat to izzy:
  • He is one of the biggest Middleweights at 6'1 with 76 inch reach, and according to himself he weighs 210 lbs on fight night (sometimes more). Both guys that izzy lost to were able to match izzy's length to some degree and make their size felt in the octagon. DDP is taller, longer and just bigger than the vast majority of middle weights that izzy has been fighting, so izzy might not be as safe at range as he typically is.
  • He has a significant grappling advantage. I don't think there is much debate here. If he gets on top of izzy, he'll be a big problem.
  • He is a switch stance fighter. Izzy relies on leg kicks as a large part of his game, but it takes more time to break down switch stance fighters with leg kicks than it does for fighters who spend the majority of their time in one stance.
  • He throws a good amount of low kicks himself. He is no Pereira, but he does attack the legs and most people don't do that to izzy.
  • Big power
  • Very good chin.

How do you guys think they match up?
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here is my problem ...Izzy has already fought a guy like DDP in Costa....this fight is going to be like shooting fish in a barrel for Izzy and I seriously dislike Izzy ALOT!
 
Didn't realize he was this big <45><45> oh my goodness. @fortheo

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fortheo said:
We need to start looking at this guy as a serious threat to the title, so I'll start by mentioning some of his attributes that I think make him a threat to izzy:
  • He is one of the biggest Middleweights at 6'1 with 76 inch reach, and according to himself he weighs 210 lbs on fight night (sometimes more). Both guys that izzy lost to were able to match izzy's length to some degree and make their size felt in the octagon. DDP is taller, longer and just bigger than the vast majority of middle weights that izzy has been fighting, so izzy might not be as safe at range as he typically is.
  • He has a significant grappling advantage. I don't think there is much debate here. If he gets on top of izzy, he'll be a big problem.
  • He is a switch stance fighter. Izzy relies on leg kicks as a large part of his game, but it takes more time to break down switch stance fighters with leg kicks than it does for fighters who spend the majority of their time in one stance.
  • He throws a good amount of low kicks himself. He is no Pereira, but he does attack the legs and most people don't do that to izzy.
  • Big power
  • Very good chin.

How do you guys think they match up?
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Add to this just how flat out unusual his footwork, attacks and overall game is. How do you really prepare for Driccus? He does a lot of things 'wrong' and is frequently out of position by conventional wisdom. Big chin big power makes it work though.

I kind of file DDP under "looks weird, super effective."

Izzy is going to stay at range and snipe him with nasty counters and leg kicks. DDP is going to do what he does and try to make a mess of things. He really only needs one big opening, guy is a finisher.

60/40 live dog, I can't wait to see this fight.
 
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