Media RDR's thoughts on DDP vs. Khamzat after having trained with both.

But his MMA accolades are not generational either.
Name a grappler who has had that many fights with complete domination, winning without even getting hit, who didn't have a competitive fight/went to decision until he faced former champs/title contenders.

A majority of his first rounds in his mma-career have ended with a finish or a 10-8.
He's yet to lose a round 1.

His MMA-grappling is surely generational.

Ironically, downplaying it would downplay the achievement of Dricus if he defeats him.
 
You said nobody can name someone who has done grappling what he has done. I guess Islam and Khabib don't count in this argument.
Mentioning Islam and Khabib kind of proves the point that Khamzat is at that level, or above in terms of mma-wrestling, and they are two all-time greats.
I saw another poster also mention Pantoja, who is also a very dominant champion.

*He's above in the sense that he has yet to face someone he couldn't take down in the UFC, and that if you don't have elite BJJ or elite defensive wrestling, he will finish you within a round or two, whereas Islam and Khabib had more competitive fights and decisions against lesser opposition/easier matchups.

Khabib didn't have Khamzat's quick finishing ability, Islam doesn't have Khamzat's top control, hence why they had fewer flawless victories, even against strikers.
I bet if they consistently could steamroll all their opponents as quickly, they would have showed it.

Arguing against Khamzat being a generational grappling talent (in MMA) is like arguing against water being wet, yet so many will continue to fight against reality, perhaps just by reflex/habit when they see a pro-Khamzat argument.

And he also became the one and only to completely dominate Usman in the grappling department, handing him his first 10-8, and then took him down in rounds 2 and 3 even with a torn hand ligament.
 
Name a grappler who has had that many fights with complete domination, winning without even getting hit, who didn't have a competitive fight/went to decision until he faced former champs/title contenders.

A majority of his first rounds in his mma-career have ended with a finish or a 10-8.
He's yet to lose a round 1.

His MMA-grappling is surely generational.

Ironically, downplaying it would downplay the achievement of Dricus if he defeats him.

Good point, Khamzat is far from perfect, but he IS extremely talented, dangerous, and an absolute R1 juggernaut.

If DDP beats him (and I think he will), we shouldn't downplay the significance of that win.
 
maybe it's you not admitting that DDP is a beast everywhere and there's more to MMA than wrestling. you literally have a guy who TRAINED WITH BOTH telling you he thinks DDP can hang with Khamzat and you're over here from your couch "wElL aCkChUaLLy"

generational grappler could barely hold on to short notice Usman and little Giblert. Khamzat is good, but you're acting like he has the equivalent of the touch of death in striking for grappling, and it's already proven untrue.
But Khamzat does have 1 punch KO power. People seem to have forgotten his fights against GM3 and Aliskerov. His striking overall is quite underrated and is arguably better than DDP's. In fact I see that he is better everywhere except cardio where they probably are on par (DDP is gassy too). But DDP has that weird X-factor which is somewhat a combo of durability, luck and somehow making opponents fight crappier than they normaly do.
 
Nah, his BJJ coach Finfou knows Gilbert and advised him not to engage on the ground because of the danger that Burns posed. It’s quite clear that scamzat was not able to answer to the grappling exchanges, and that’s why had to stand with him.

And what comes to the fight against DDP, I’m not saying he can’t get it done, but this hyperbole and extreme exaggeration of his skills is just silly.
Actually, Khamzat followed his plan of bringing Burns to the ground, but he changed it midway fight. Later on, Chimaev said that Burns caught his arms in weird positions and that he felt a strong submission threat and changed tactics himself, explicitly saying he chose not to risk it because he realized Gilbert Burns had an elite ground defense that could cost him the fight. He went there with the mindset of taking Gilbert down. He said he realized the threat of an elite jiujitsu once Burns had his arms in dangerous positions and then decided he'd need to keep it standing for the most part
 
DDP is strong and has good cardio. Unless Khamzat gets him outta there in a few rounds, it’s gonna be a long night. I still favor Khamzat, but this fight can go either way. I can’t wait!
 
Khamz has that innovator shit that can surprise opponents. They really dont know what he’s gonna do.
Dricus, ya pretty much know what he’s doing. He’s game wherever it goes, super resilient, super determined, and an elite dude.
Khamz has to be very hungry here and come to kill.

Excited for it, and also excited for when RDR gets his shot at either of these two. I think he’s something very special as well.
Quite the opposite. Chimaev is always the same, he explodes into double legs and goes 100% for the TD. It was like that vs Usman, vs Whittaker,it was like that in 90% of the fights he had — leg kicks feints and blasting like an antilope into a takedown. Dricus is the opposite. He has an awkward style, but his stand up was evenly matched with Adesanya. And that Adesanya was good. He was angry, focused... He was always prepared to fight DDP. Angry emotional Izzy is a danger. Still, even in the stand up, looking at the stats, DDP and Izzy were evenly basically... until DDP clipped him with an extended overhand that rocked him, as Izzy started to gass.

DDP plays like Topuria somewhat, too. You see in his fight vs Izzy that the first thing he did was take Adesanya down, like Illia did vs Max Holloway. Then, Holloway stood up, like Izzy, but that made Holloway, like Izzy, aware of the takedown threat. And then DDP's offensive game isn't reckless, it's like a planned, well timed pressure. He turns pressure and aggressiveness into his main defensive weapon. Since he is a heavy hitter, that is a nightmare of a stand up battle for even the best kickboxers. His kickboxing isn't as clean as Izzy, but he was even in the stand up with Izzy... His pressure was his best defense. Keeping Izzy aware of the takedown threat while also, pressuring non-stop as a way to turn offense and pressure as a defensive weapon. That doesn't give his opponents times to breathe. And he's tough... He can eat powerful punches and keep going. And since Adesanya isn't a heavy puncher, that style played well. Chimaev isn't a heavy puncher, either.

Khamzat you can expect going for the double leg and DDP will be aware of that. DDP has never been submitted nor even threatened on the ground. If you look at his Wikipedia page, he was one of the few selected South African to represent South Africa in the Olympics as a Grecco Roman fighter when younger... Not only that , but he, when younger, went to a Gracie elite gym and submitted 4 black belts from the Gracie jiu jitsu talented grapplers — a story that is true and available on YouTube. His defense on the ground, leveraging his raw strength with his skills, is totally different from Rob Whittaker. He's a tougher version of Usman, I'd imagine, because he's naturally a LHW sized guy. Combining a powerful Grecco Roman base with a big strong 205 lbs body will be hard for Khamzat to submit him in the first round.

I imagine Chimaev will take him down but he won't manage to submit him. By the second round, DDP will time Chimaev's takedown attempts — you can see through footage that DDP evolves between rounds by timing his opponents' entries, landing big offensive flurries. And the cardio is different, DDP has gone 5 rounds with high intensity. That is not in a realm Chimaev IMO would be able to deal with when he gassed vs Usman, who's of a lower weight and came to the fight on a 2 weeks short notice coming off 2 losses. I honestly see it as an interesting match up, but I definitely see the odds overestimating Chimaev A LOT. I think it's like a 60/40 or 55/45 for DDP.
 
Actually, Khamzat followed his plan of bringing Burns to the ground, but he changed it midway fight. Later on, Chimaev said that Burns caught his arms in weird positions and that he felt a strong submission threat and changed tactics himself, explicitly saying he chose not to risk it because he realized Gilbert Burns had an elite ground defense that could cost him the fight. He went there with the mindset of taking Gilbert down. He said he realized the threat of an elite jiujitsu once Burns had his arms in dangerous positions and then decided he'd need to keep it standing for the most part
AKKHSUALLY, there's a bit more to the complete story.

Khamzat's BJJ-coach had competed against Burns in BJJ-world championships, and Khamzat was a purple belt at the time, so his team asked him to keep it standing and fight behind a jab and straight punches.
Use his reach advantage, fight smart.

He then just went out full on adrenaline and just fought like he always does initially, until he abandoned the grappling after Burns threatened submissions off his back.
He probably realized that he should listen to his coaches.

He then again in round 2 disregarded their advice to engage in a brawl.

Then still did enough to win a close round 3.

If anything, that fight highlighted his inexperience and raw talent, in his 5th UFC fight.
 
Is Caio Borralho legit? That young fighter seems intriguing. He has trained with Chimaev. He said that he's fully confident he could beat Chimaev. He said DDP is tougher but that he feels confident he'd break down DDP too, he just needs his time to be the challenger. Once asked about DDP moving up to face Poatan, he said "nah, at 205 Poatan kills Dricus, and I'm not even joking"
 
I do think that a TALENT in grappling, even if it's a generational one, is a big difference from a generational GRAPPLER. I know that even without about 25 years of grappling experience.
Everybody was talking about Bo as a generational wrestler. And we know what happend.
I certainly don't want to start a beef with you, but words were the topic...

Okay fair enough if you want to make a distinction between including the word "talent" and not. That's how I meant it, but there's room for interpreting it differently. All good.
 
AKKHSUALLY, there's a bit more to the complete story.

Khamzat's BJJ-coach had competed against Burns in BJJ-world championships, and Khamzat was a purple belt at the time, so his team asked him to keep it standing and fight behind a jab and straight punches.
Use his reach advantage, fight smart.

He then just went out full on adrenaline and just fought like he always does initially, until he abandoned the grappling after Burns threatened submissions off his back.
He probably realized that he should listen to his coaches.

He then again in round 2 disregarded their advice to engage in a brawl.

Then still did enough to win a close round 3.

If anything, that fight highlighted his inexperience and raw talent, in his 5th UFC fight.
Actually, his coach were screaming with him in round 2 precisely because he was NOT listening to his coach. You can watch the fight now and see that for yourself. Khamzat's said that literally — he planned to wrestle and sub Burns but felt dangerous when Burns had his arms in a position he felt he could be subbed instead. That's the full story. His coaches were telling him to actually clinch and keep the fight in the fence instead of picking shots from the distance. But he went there fully trying to like always, sub Burns but he felt Gilbert Burns's elite BJJ (which is comparable to the best of the best like Werdum's) was riskier than keeping the fight standing.
 
Actually, his coach were screaming with him in round 2 precisely because he was NOT listening to his coach. You can watch the fight now and see that for yourself.
Yes? I said that he disregarded their advice in round 2 as well, and they were screaming at him between rounds 2 and 3, in Swedish, which happens to be my native language.

Slåss inte med honom!!! = Don't fight/brawl with him.

Khamzat had a 4" reach advantage, so they didn't want him to just trade with Burns in the pocket with no defense.
 
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Yes, they wanted him to keep the fight clinching, but it's easier said than done. That shows his stand up game might not be as good... Point is, Khamzat himself tried to wrestle but gave up on it because he realized the risk of Burns' elite BJJ
 
Yes, they wanted him to keep the fight clinching, but it's easier said than done. That shows his stand up game might not be as good... Point is, Khamzat himself tried to wrestle but gave up on it because he realized the risk of Burns' elite BJJ
No, they wanted him to keep it standing and focus on jabs and straight right hands, not try to knock him out with every punch and to stay away from Burns counter hooks.
 
No, they wanted him to keep it standing and focus on jabs and straight right hands, not try to knock him out with every punch and to stay away from Burns counter hooks.
Ok, but wouldn't that show you his stand up skills aren't as good? I mean, they're good, but vs tougher competition in stand up, if his wrestling doesn't get it done, then he isn't as good. His coaches wanted that, it's not like Chimaev would go for a path that he felt would be more dangerous, he's there to win... But applying that mid fight isn't a skill every fighters has when their main weapon — in Chimaev's case, his grappling — is countered. And DDP is a way tougher stand up fight for him than Burns. The size and weight behind DDP's hits are on another level from Gilbert Burns's strikes, which knocked him down twice in the fight, which was a very close fight...
 
Finally someone giving DDP credit for his grappling skills. If anyone is a good judge of grappling skills, it's RDR.
 
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Ok, but wouldn't that show you his stand up skills aren't as good? I mean, they're good, but vs tougher competition in stand up, if his wrestling doesn't get it done, then he isn't as good. His coaches wanted that, it's not like Chimaev would go for a path that he felt would be more dangerous, he's there to win... But applying that mid fight isn't a skill every fighters has when their main weapon — in Chimaev's case, his grappling — is countered. And DDP is a way tougher stand up fight for him than Burns. The size and weight behind DDP's hits are on another level from Gilbert Burns's strikes, which knocked him down twice in the fight, which was a very close fight...
It showed us that his fight IQ in April 2022 wasn't very good.

He was nowhere near as reckless vs Usman when they were striking, he didn't run into any clean overhands face first.

He used his fight IQ to get important takedowns in the later rounds.

No doubt DDP hits harder at 185 than Burns at 170, Khamzat also hits very hard at 185 and likely has a stronger chin there than at 170.

Dricus hasn't won BJJ-world championships and has never submitted anyone off his back in the UFC so it's not really likely that Khamzat will be deterred from grappling with him.
Now he also has about 3.5 years more experience and is a brown belt.

It was a close fight, but in the end he won.
Dricus, Strickland, and Whittaker, all had losses at 170 where they were finished, yet still went on to become champions.
 
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