Rate a fighter: Dustin Poirier

GOATtalks said:
I feel like Dustin has been a bit overrated these last few years. In my opinion he’s a really good fighter, but definitely not great or exceptional.

He’s a big, not huge LW, with good power and good cardio. Good striking and decent BJJ, but with very average wrestling.

Most of his best wins have been wars and a majority of them could’ve went either way. He’s never been dominant or on a impressive win streak. He has a lot of loses and some aren’t even to the best fighters in the division.

TBH I wouldn’t bet on him to beat guys like Islam, Tsarukyan, Gamrot or Guram.

What are your thoughts on Dustin?
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I think you described him well, he’s very good but not great.

If GSP, Nurm or Jon Jones are 10/10, then the next level below would be guys like say DC, Stipe, etc who I would consider 9/10.

Dustolin would be one step below that, very good but not great, 8/10.
 
I’m not sure how to really rate fighters out of 10 like people really doing ITT. I think Poirier is very good. Easily a Top 10 LW all time, probably top 5.
 
mirko>anyone said:
Dustin would more than hold his own with those prospects, but I'd favor Islam at this point.

Unfortunately, our ranking system doesn't really allow exploration of this sort anyway. Could Gamrot win? Sure, but fat chance he ever gets the opportunity with how apprehensive ranked fighters often are about accepting challenges. With how infrequent most fight, the nature of our sport doesn't always allow us to keep up to date either. I feel like the rankings often reflect the past couple years more so than they do the current landscape, but I guess that's a different topic altogether.
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WHile I can understand your point, that's pretty asinine to make such bold claim.
Yes, Islam is "hot". But who the fuck did he beat?
His ONLY real win is Hooker, who fought on very short notice.
From that to conclude he beats DP, who also beat Hooker And COnor and Holloway and Eddie and Gaethje and Pettis....... We KNOW DP is a consistent top performer.

Islam is (so far) only a promising prospect.

I don't doubt he may beat DP. But to make it like it is a foregone conclusion.... I say the same thing to people that were picking Gane over Francis... this is your nuthugger eyes, and not any (real) evidence that you are making such assumptions.
 
Shaddows said:
WHile I can understand your point, that's pretty asinine to make such bold claim.
Yes, Islam is "hot". But who the fuck did he beat?
His ONLY real win is Hooker, who fought on very short notice.
From that to conclude he beats DP, who also beat Hooker And COnor and Holloway and Eddie and Gaethje and Pettis....... We KNOW DP is a consistent top performer.

Islam is (so far) only a promising prospect.

I don't doubt he may beat DP. But to make it like it is a foregone conclusion.... I say the same thing to people that were picking Gane over Francis... this is your nuthugger eyes, and not any (real) evidence that you are making such assumptions.
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Did I make it out like it was a foregone conclusion? I said I'd favor him. Never said anything about it being uncompetitive? In fact, I believe I literally said "Dustin would more than hold his own". Not sure where you're getting this nuthugger shit from.

Dustin has holes in his grappling and it's not hard to imagine Islam exploiting them. Fairly certain Islam comes into that fight a favorite over Poirer.
 
GOATtalks said:
I feel like Dustin has been a bit overrated these last few years. In my opinion he’s a really good fighter, but definitely not great or exceptional.

He’s a big, not huge LW, with good power and good cardio. Good striking and decent BJJ, but with very average wrestling.

Most of his best wins have been wars and a majority of them could’ve went either way. He’s never been dominant or on a impressive win streak. He has a lot of loses and some aren’t even to the best fighters in the division.

TBH I wouldn’t bet on him to beat guys like Islam, Tsarukyan, Gamrot or Guram.

What are your thoughts on Dustin?
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Dustin is one of the top 10 LWS of all time based on his resume but he's kinda that classic always the bridesmaid never the bride sort of fighters. He managed to beat some good names (most of whom were coming off wins before facing the diamond) but when it came to the point where it really mattered, in the title fights, he fell short, though was unlucky against Oliveira that Herb dean didn't spot that glove grab (which did impact the fight), and in the other case, he was up against Khabib. His FTW career is kinda underrated but no real standout wins in division IMO.
 
If one is Sean Salmon and ten is Jon Jones... Dustin falls in the 8ish range. Great resume; excellent wins and no shame in most of his losses. Above average in most respects (striking especially). His grappling isn't bad at all just not on the same level as Khabib or Charles. If you can't implement a really suffocating ground game/ top control or hit the one-hitter-quicker killshot on him you're in for a long night.
 
Ts nailed it imo ….couldn’t agree more…..Dustin is entertaining though …crowd pleaser
 
mirko>anyone said:
Did I make it out like it was a foregone conclusion? I said I'd favor him. Never said anything about it being uncompetitive? In fact, I believe I literally said "Dustin would more than hold his own". Not sure where you're getting this nuthugger shit from.

Dustin has holes in his grappling and it's not hard to imagine Islam exploiting them. Fairly certain Islam comes into that fight a favorite over Poirer.
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right now? Sorry, but no. He wouldn't come as a favorite...

...or let me rephrase that: This is exactly like nuthuggers making Conor the favorite over Khabib then DP.
The fact he is "deemed" Favorite is not based on any real evidence over top fighters, and that is a simple and clear fact.

It is one thing to assess that Khabib (who was a champion, tested and unbeaten) could beat Dustin.
Anbother one entirely different is to ASSUME that Islam is as good as Khabib. That is clearly (so far) not proven.

And let us not forget that DP has a solid BJJ, and almost caught Khabib on a guillotine. Matter of fact, he was the one who got closest to subbing Khabib.
 
Shaddows said:
right now? Sorry, but no. He wouldn't come as a favorite...

...or let me rephrase that: This is exactly like nuthuggers making Conor the favorite over Khabib then DP.
The fact he is "deemed" Favorite is not based on any real evidence over top fighters, and that is a simple and clear fact.

It is one thing to assess that Khabib (who was a champion, tested and unbeaten) could beat Dustin.
Anbother one entirely different is to ASSUME that Islam is as good as Khabib. That is clearly (so far) not proven.

And let us not forget that DP has a solid BJJ, and almost caught Khabib on a guillotine. Matter of fact, he was the one who got closest to subbing Khabib.
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That is, in fact, not a fact at all , but rather your opinion which holds no more weight than mine.

it’s also nothing like conor being a favorite over Khabib. To the contrary. By your logic, McGregor should have been the favorite because he had already fought and beat far more elite fighters than Khabib by the time they fought (similar to Poirer-Islam). But obviously, we knew khabib was an overwhelming favorite because the writing is on the wall and he matched up well stylistically with Conor. Poirer is decent on the ground but he’s not on Islam’s level. You don’t need to read a resume to comprehend that, but I understand you’re gonna double down on your incoherent points (which combat literally none of my post, but rather the strawmen you built) like always.

lol @ Poirer being favored over Islam. Get real dude. He’s a live dog there due to being a crafty vet.

also, Poirer seems to think Islam presents the biggest challenge in the division. I’ll go ahead and agree with him rather than your shit retorts targeted at stances I didn’t make.

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2021...m-makhachev-toughest-fight-at-lightweight-ufc
 
mirko>anyone said:
That is, in fact, not a fact at all , but rather your opinion which holds no more weight than mine.

it’s also nothing like conor being a favorite over Khabib. To the contrary. By your logic, McGregor should have been the favorite because he had already fought and beat far more elite fighters than Khabib by the time they fought (similar to Poirer-Islam). But obviously, we knew khabib was an overwhelming favorite because the writing is on the wall and he matched up well stylistically with Conor. Poirer is decent on the ground but he’s not on Islam’s level. You don’t need to read a resume to comprehend that, but I understand you’re gonna double down on your incoherent points (which combat literally none of my post, but rather the strawmen you built) like always.

lol @ Poirer being favored over Islam. Get real dude. He’s a live dog there due to being a crafty vet.

also, Poirer seems to think Islam presents the biggest challenge in the division. I’ll go ahead and agree with him rather than your shit retorts targeted at stances I didn’t make.

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2021...m-makhachev-toughest-fight-at-lightweight-ufc
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LOL
you provided no evidence but your butthurt comments and opinions, kid.
Again:
fact: Islam has not beat ANY top ranked fighters but Hooker on a short notice.
That's while
Fact: DP has been fighting the top of the division for very long time with many victories over champions and contenders of said division.

Keep trying to run away from the above facts, kid. That's real cute to watch you scramble.
 
Atg lw..

Longevity/schedule/performances

Not the best, but he's great.. pretty much the epitome of well roundedness and grit..
 
Shaddows said:
LOL
you provided no evidence but your butthurt comments and opinions, kid.
Again:
fact: Islam has not beat ANY top ranked fighters but Hooker on a short notice.
That's while
Fact: DP has been fighting the top of the division for very long time with many victories over champions and contenders of said division.

Keep trying to run away from the above facts, kid. That's real cute to watch you scramble.
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Oh, no need to scramble. You're refuting shit I didn't say again.

The only evidence you've provided is who has more ranked wins and experience. Okay, and? It won't determine who the favorite is. Islam is a God awful match up for Poirer on the mat and Dustin's TDD leaves a lot to be desired. Even he can admit it, so as proud as you are, I'm thinking you can as well.

But, as always, your bitching is more about "winning" the argument than backing your points (refuting nothing). I'll allow you to have the last word as you always do (it's how you think you win) and I'll bump this if they ever fight and Islam opens as a favorite.

Cheers,

"Kid" (who's been on here nearly a half decade longer than you and likely older)
 
Probably P4P most impressive feet evolution I've ever seen inside the cage.

Back in the day when he was shaving his head his feet were suffering from cracked heels and as much as the muscular calves were easing up the view it still was painful to watch.

Ever since he grew hair his feet look amazing - no hair at all, especially at the biggest toe and, even more important, no visible marks after shaving which also tells us he's now familiar with some soothing gels.

Now, let's feast our eyes on his ten toed marvels:
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And now something to make our big boys here jealous and make their mouth water!
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GOATtalks said:
I feel like Dustin has been a bit overrated these last few years. In my opinion he’s a really good fighter, but definitely not great or exceptional.

He’s a big, not huge LW, with good power and good cardio. Good striking and decent BJJ, but with very average wrestling.

Most of his best wins have been wars and a majority of them could’ve went either way. He’s never been dominant or on a impressive win streak. He has a lot of loses and some aren’t even to the best fighters in the division.

TBH I wouldn’t bet on him to beat guys like Islam, Tsarukyan, Gamrot or Guram.

What are your thoughts on Dustin?
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Miller
Pettis
Gaethje
Alvarez
Holloway

You dont think thats impressive? In what world is it not?
 
Love watching Porier fight most of the time they're bangers, but he's always been gatekeeper status. I thought if anytime was his time to win the strap it would've been vs Oliveria. But Oliveria proved many wrong that night.
 
Unfortunately for Dustin 3 grapplers That are championship level existed: Charles, Islam and khabib.
 
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