Social Rashida Tlaib to be sworn in to Congress with a Quran

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  1. Voodoo_Child906

    Voodoo_Child906 Brown Belt

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    The Preamble to the Constitution declares that its purposes are:

    “To form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare and secure the Blessings of Liberty.”

    These are wholly secular objectives! References to religion would be extraneous in a document such as the constitution.
     
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  2. Kafir-kun

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    I know that but the way the OP was written it seemed to imply the swearing in on the Qur'an was the first.
    True, the WR is much more of an echo chamber on the issue nowadays. As one of the few people to spoil that echo chamber I get called a snake in the grass and accused of taqiyya.
    Well the Prophet himself drafted the Constitution of Medina. Obviously different from the US Constitution given the vastly different intellectual traditions and material/social contexts preceding the two documents but nonetheless a document outlining rights and responsibilities.

    Its really more about managing the relations between tribes than between a state and the people since they didn't really have a state in the modern sense of the term as much as they had a tribal coalition within which the tribes had leway for self governance.
    Pretty much. For all the fear mongering about how leftists are a Trojan horse for the impending Islamic takeover Muslims ultimately compromise a lot of their values when they unquestioningly accept their junior position in the progressive coalition and the identity politics that come with it.
     
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    Other systems of governance, past and present have provided individual rights but they all rely on the government as the grantor of human rights. No other system of governance before it has proclaimed that the people have inalienable rights, then, and only then, grant rights to government. More than just different, antithetical to Mo's Constitution of Medina where rights can be taken away.
     
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    That's not actually true, the system of governance in Medina at the time was religiously inspired and the religion enumerates rights and responsibilities of the People of the Book which are in theory inalienable and expressed in the charter. Now has that always worked out in practice? Not really but that also goes for the US(slavery, Japanese internment, Mexican repatriation, Jim Crow etc).
     
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    So the people of Medina granted rights to the Warlords of the time?
     
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    Haha, wow never heard that one before. Imagine that, calling the Prophet a warlord. How clever...
     
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    Well in theory it's the people with the inalienable rights that grant the power to the government with our Constitution. Was it so with the Constitution of Medina?
     
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    This actually exists.
     
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    Yeah, so what? Not an issue.
     
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    Well the Prophet was invited to Medina to arbitrate a dispute between tribes and his leadership role as head of the state in Medina from there on was primarily based on his ability to continue to arbitrate relations between the tribes so in a sense yeah.

    In a more general sense leadership in tribal societies is based to a significant extent on one's moral authority since tribal societies don't exactly have a standing army or any other such coercive apparatus. In other words, your continued leadership is based on the perception by your tribe that you're the right man for the job. Of course, there's definitely the potential for nepotism(if your dad was the chief its likely you will be chief by default) but its not like some absolute monarchy where the leader has a standing army to enforce his rule.
     
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    Just found what I was looking for:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Declaration_on_Human_Rights_in_Islam

    Looks like it attempts to mirror the Universal Declaration of Human rights from a Sharia framework but it was strongly condemned by the International Commission of Jurists (ICJ). Many criticisms can be found in the wiki article, among them:

    Adama Dieng—a member of the International Commission of Jurists—has also criticised the CDHRI. He argued that the declaration gravely threatens the inter-cultural consensus on which the international human rights instruments are based; that it introduces intolerable discrimination against non-Muslims and women. He further argued that the CDHRI reveals a deliberately restrictive character in regard to certain fundamental rights and freedoms, to the point that certain essential provisions are below the legal standards in effect in a number of Muslim countries; it uses the cover of the "Islamic sharia (Law)" to justify the legitimacy of practices, such as corporal punishment, which attack the integrity and dignity of the human being.[4][16]

    So to answer @Bald1 original question, it looks like the Cairo Declaration is as close as they got.
     
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    That wasn't directed at the Ripper specifically, just the general population of people who voted for him because, or even partly because he claims to be a Christian.
     
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    Washington (CNN)-Rashida Tlaib likes to tell a story about how when she found out she had been elected to Congress, her 13-year-old son whispered in her ear, "See mama, bullies don't win." "He was talking about Donald Trump," Tlaib said in a recent interview.

    Literally none of this happened.
     
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