Social Rashida Tlaib to be sworn in to Congress with a Quran

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  1. dontsnitch

    dontsnitch Steel Belt

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    5 years ago you couldn't post this without a barrage of "but the Crusades" responses. Time are a changing perhaps.
     
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    bad seed Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    what's funny is that the nations today with the lowest homicide rates (Macau, Japan, Singapore, Iceland, Burkina Faso, Hong Kong, and Qatar) are all atheist, Buddhist, or Muslim. The only nation here that was traditionally Christian is Iceland and today they have the highest percent of inhabitants identifying as atheist. Burkina Faso and Qatar are MUSLIM. Rounding out the top 15 you do see two Christian nations- French Polynesia and Slovenia but neither of them are as overtly Christian as the US.

    It takes a real simpleton to think human decency is only possible through threat of punishment as outlined in a bronze age scroll.
     
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  3. Madmick

    Madmick Cerebrage Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Why not?

    It's a secular humanist government, and the Quran works as well as the Bible as far as superstitions go. It's the values and implementation of those values articulated through her legislation that will concern me. I don't give a shit about the wad of paper they use to "swear" her in. It's all pomp and circumstance, and matters as much.
     
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    luckyshot iP of the ENTIRE WR

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    The goal and language of the First Amendment is clearly to keep the government out of people's religions, not to keep people's religious beliefs-- including elected officials'-- out of their political lives.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    The first Amendment doesn't establish the United States as secular nation-- or as a religious nation. It does guarantee Omar the right to participate in her religion fully and not to have to sacrifice any public role or office to do so.
     
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  5. NoDak

    NoDak [ [ Tech Noir ] ] Platinum Member

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    Well, secular progressive bisexuals should definitely be running this country but she's probably not 100% his nightmare because she's a policy person first and doesn't really play identity politics.
     
  6. The ScorpioN

    The ScorpioN "GET OVER HERE!"

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    Let's hope.
     
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  7. Bald1

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    Looks good on the surface, but begs the question if Islam would allow a document such as the constitution to be crafted?

    While I think he's what you'd call a cafeteria Muslim at most, I can't blame the guy for taking a stance on behalf of that particular part of his culture. Not when you see some of the ugliness directed at Muslims on here. I'm a harsh critic of Islam but some take it to a personal level. At the same time I've seen him criticise his faith as well, and that's a show of strong moral fibre in my book. There are a lot worse on here.
     
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    5th colum straight up. Will push anti semitism, pro islam, anti christian, anti white, anti Trump agenda.
     
  10. PolishHeadlock

    PolishHeadlock Putin Belt Platinum Member

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    There was a time where Americans were scared of a Catholic President because he would be beholden to the Pope.
     
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  11. Bald1

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    Sure. And there was also a time when Christianity as a whole was just as intertwined with judicial and legislative parts of governments as Islam is right now. Christianity has changed, while the reformation Islam is undergoing is just that. An attempt to return to its roots.
     
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    PolishHeadlock Putin Belt Platinum Member

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    In the US?

    Evangelicals are very active trying to intertwine religion and government.

    Roy Moore is not old news and there are plenty more like him
     
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    The ScorpioN "GET OVER HERE!"

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    That’s fair.

    Sorry @Kafir-kun
     
  14. Bald1

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    And thank god (pun intended) there are those who oppose such foolishness. Yet some will cheer on Islam just to spite evangelicals. And that sentiment is why I originally commented on this topic as it makes no sense to me.
     
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    Looks to me like it cuts both ways. The impossibility of disassociating one's religion from their views on morality notwithstanding.
     
  16. Voodoo_Child906

    Voodoo_Child906 Brown Belt

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    Probably not, the Constitution was born out of Enlightenment thought and ideals and I am having a hard time considering where else it could have be born from.
     
  17. hillelslovak87

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    Openly? No. An actor who reads his bible would surely beat a rocket scientist that does not in modern America.
     
  18. 58miles

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    Who in the Democratic party is actively trying to give Islam more influence in American policy making? By contrast the Republican party has been the white Evangelicals jail house b*tch since the days of Nixon.
     
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  19. HunterSdVa29

    HunterSdVa29 Respect, tho Platinum Member

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    doesn't bother me at all, mainly b/c i'm not sure why we still swear on the Bible for Swear ins or court testimony

    I'll say this, I didn't have to hold anything to swear in to the Military, why can't other areas do it like that? Separation of Church and State, anyone?
     
  20. PolishHeadlock

    PolishHeadlock Putin Belt Platinum Member

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    Is this rep a fundamentalist?

    If not I think this is the same as people being worried about JFK
     
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