Ranking the Top 10 WMMA GOATs

[sfer1]

I don’t necessarily disagree with you. I just don’t think it’s an objective criteria, so that’s not how I ranked the fighters. Personally, I think Rose is a better striker than Joanna and I enjoy Rose’s striking more. But how I feel about it isn’t the relevant point imo—Joanna was a champ with a shitload of defenses, and has wins over a lot of good fighters. He record and accomplishments are what I take into account.
Yes, Ronda’s striking is kind of meh while her grappling is top notch—but so is Khabib’s, frankly. But if Ronda and Khabib were able to impose their strengths on their opponents and accomplish what they did, then what difference does it make? But I do understand where you’re coming from.

The level of competition matters though. Being the champ with many defenses when a division is still in diapers isn't the same as accomplishing it when the rest of the girls have caught up. Joanna had a huge advantage in the beginning because of her background competing in other disciplines.

Khabib’s striking wasn't top level, but it wasn't bad either. Besides, the guy could walk through punches like they were nothing. He was never going to get murdered if he couldn't take the fight to the ground. Big difference with Ronda.

 

[Pastinaca1]

Why? The biggest knock against Rousey is that she got totally clowned by Nunes and Holms. Afterwards Rousey's popular rating dropped from probable win over Floyd Mayweather to total can. But people forget that she beat some really good fighters. And then Cyborg got clowned by Nunes just as badly. Rousey has a stronger resume than Cyborg, and most of the girls she fought were in at least generally the same size. I'd say Cyborg was much more well-rounded, but Rousey had the specialist advantage. If you couldn't avoid the clinch, and only two of her opponents ever could, she was tossing your ass and taking your arm.

Going forward, I think Rousey's legacy is going to age a lot better than Cyborg's.

Cyborg would have destroyed Rousey as easy as Nunes did.

And no, Ronda’s legacy won’t age better. No one likes Ronda Rousey and never ever the whole MMA world velebrated that much the loss lf a fighter like they did when Holly KOd Ronda.

Cyborg is not liked because she is a proven steroid user and because she is ugly, but overall people respect her much more than RR.

 

[BFoe]

The level of competition matters though. Being the champ with many defenses when a division is still in diapers isn't the same as accomplishing it when the rest of the girls have caught up. Joanna had a huge advantage in the beginning because of her background competing in other disciplines.

I agree, it definitely matters. In my OP, I listed what I considered good wins for each, and Joanna had more. And they have several in common, like Andrade, Torres, and Waterson. So if we decide that some of those aren’t great wins, they can’t be counted for either fighter.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Cyborg would have destroyed Rousey as easy as Nunes did.

And no, Ronda’s legacy won’t age better. No one likes Ronda Rousey and never ever the whole MMA world velebrated that much the loss lf a fighter like they did when Holly KOd Ronda.

Cyborg is not liked because she is a proven steroid user and because she is ugly, but overall people respect her much more than RR.

I agree that Cyborg would probably have easily defeated Rousey. She's a terrible match up for Rousey. But for sure Rousey's legacy dwarfs Cyborg's; and the fact that "the whole MMA world" celebrated her loss shows just how massive she was for not only WMMA but for mainstreaming MMA as a whole.

 

[sfer1]

I agree, it definitely matters. In my OP, I listed what I considered good wins for each, and Joanna had more. And they have several in common, like Andrade, Torres, and Waterson. So if we decide that some of those aren’t great wins, they can’t be counted for either fighter.

It depends on when those wins happened and what was their level compared to each other and to the rest of the field at the time. Take Torres and Waterson, for example. They have good skills, but they've always been undersized. They were competitive before the rest of the girls caught up. There isn't much they can do against top level opponents now. Being relatively inexperienced like Rose and beating them back in the day meant much more than having lots of experience like Joanna and beating them when they're no longer a serious threat.

In the same line of thought, it would have been quite impressive if Rose had beaten Esparza 7 years ago. I would expect her to win fairly easy if they fought again now though.

A win over the same opponent can have different value depending on the context.

 

[Kyojiro Kagenuma]

Who is that Japanese lady who dresses like a cavewoman and just knocks DNBs stone cold dead? Never seen her fight that I'm aware, but her highlights are outrageous. She may not be top ten, but she's got to have a top ten all time WMMA highlight reel.

I wonder where her knockout power comes from?

 

[Eater of Souls]

Who is that Japanese lady who dresses like a cavewoman and just knocks DNBs stone cold dead? Never seen her fight that I'm aware, but her highlights are outrageous. She may not be top ten, but she's got to have a top ten all time WMMA highlight reel.

Hisae Watanabe

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Hisae Watanabe

Hahaha. yes. This is the lady I'm talking about. Tiny little atomweight, and she looks like she killed some of her opponents.

 

[rodkek]

 

[Eater of Souls]

Hahaha. yes. This is the lady I'm talking about. Tiny little atomweight, and she looks like she killed some of her opponents.

Yeah. Fucking killer right hand.

 

[randumo24]

One of the points in favor of Rose over JJ & Cyborg is her insane average opponent strength. That's what heavily favors her over Cyborg in their resumes. What really favors Rose over JJ to me, besides their current h2h, is their finish rate.

JJ's finish rate is 31%, with it dropping to a paltry 20% inside the UFC and hasn't finished a fight in 6 years. Whereas Rose has finished 70% of her fights, jumping up to 77% if you count her 3 fights on TUF(which I think is fair since it was a tournament to crown the SW champion, and they all went on to win fights in the UFC later on).

 

[leto1776]

JJ record is 16-4
Zhangs record is 21-2

The first number means wins, and the second one means loses.

So let’s do some kindergarden level math. Which record is better, 16-4 or 21-2?

Beating a bunch of scrubs just means you beat a bunch of scrubs. Zhang fought 2-0 Ye-Dam Seo when she was already 13-1. Wow, such a great record

Wow. You're stupid. You're like, actually stupid.

Does the word context mean anything to you buddy?

Apparently not

 

[aerius]

I agree that Cyborg would probably have easily defeated Rousey. She's a terrible match up for Rousey. But for sure Rousey's legacy dwarfs Cyborg's; and the fact that "the whole MMA world" celebrated her loss shows just how massive she was for not only WMMA but for mainstreaming MMA as a whole.

It's debatable, and depends on which version of Cyborg we're talking about. Late career Cyborg who was more calculated and used decent footwork and strike selection would be favoured over Ronda, pre-Jason Parillo Cyborg who windmilled punches all over the place and depended solely on her aggression & physicality would likely run herself into the clinch and get tossed & armbarred by Ronda.

 

[reigning terroe]

There is none. The division has been around for a grand total of six years in the UFC

Weak argument

 

[Pastinaca1]

Beating a bunch of scrubs just means you beat a bunch of scrubs. Zhang fought 2-0 Ye-Dam Seo when she was already 13-1. Wow, such a great record

Apparently not

Sure, because being 2-4 in the last 6 and having wins over the likes of Jessica Penne or Letorneau is somehow very impressive LMAO.

At the end of the day you can say whatever you want. Who won when they fought each other?

 

[Tyrannosaurus rex]

I said zhang has a better record than JJ and you said like a retard “no, she doesn’t”. I proved you wrong and now you are bitching like a little kid.

Ok, so just for your information. 21 is a higher number than 16, and 4 is a higher number than 2.

Here is the order of the numbers. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25.

Write them and learn them. You tell me when you are ready and then we will go from 26 to 50. Good luck

Quality of wins matters as well. Not just numbers. Zhang has 2 good wins in her entire career.

Are you also going to argue Philip Miller (16-0) is secretly near the top of the goat list?