Rampage explains how outer space is a hoax

[BearGrounds]

Wasn't it you who earlier said there was no way that you could be wrong, except for the supernatural?

That implies that my mind could be changed, doesn't it?

It could be supernatural.

 

[KnockoutsGalore]

That implies that my mind could be changed, doesn't it?

It could be supernatural.

But you're so closed minded that that's the ONLY option?

 

[BearGrounds]

But you're so closed minded that that's the ONLY option?

Nice pivot.

Take your fail.

 

[KnockoutsGalore]

Nice pivot.

Take your fail.

Trolling. There was no pivot there, you just can't answer in a way that doesn't make you look like a hypocrite, so you'll claim a pivot.

The difference between hypocrites like you and the rest of us: if definitive proof (all we've asked for) exists and comes to light, we can then admit that it's real. But if definitive proof came out that it never existed, your closed mind would only accept an illogical, supernatural excuse to shield you from having to admit you were wrong.

Call the kettle black a bit more, pot, it looks good on you.

 

[BearGrounds]

Trolling. There was no pivot there, you just can't answer in a way that doesn't make you look like a hypocrite, so you'll claim a pivot.

The difference between hypocrites like you and the rest of us: if definitive proof (all we've asked for) exists and comes to light, we can then admit that it's real. But if definitive proof came out that it never existed, your closed mind would only accept an illogical, supernatural excuse to shield you from having to admit you were wrong.

Call the kettle black a bit more, pot, it looks good on you.

Take your fail, loser.

You just look worse further ranting.

 

[KnockoutsGalore]

Take your fail, loser.

You just look worse further ranting.

Thanks for finally letting us know that you truly don't have anything of worth to say. We appreciate it.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

It's true what you say about them just being drones for their religion, and it has shown itself in this thread. But these dudes egos would never allow them to see it.

They literally cannot change their minds at this point, they barely have the autonomy to; plus they spent too much time calling the other side crazy to turn back now.

So let them stay in their caves, who cares.

Declaring victory together while failing to intelligently respond to 95% of what is put forth is an astounding fact of this thread.

It is a religion at this point.

One of the discussions that thinking people are having these days is the question of "how do we like our new priests?". Are they the same, better or worse than the old ones? Even some atheists say they would prefer the old priests back although they are actually busy trying to move forward away from both groups.


I think it's worse because Christianity at least laid the groundwork for deep philosophical and intellectual thoughts and carried us forward, gave birth to the sciences, whereas these new priestly class of the sciences stand in the way of thinking outside of narrowly defined (by them) areas.

I mean think about it. Probably more than 50% of the country has had either a paranormal experience, a UFO experience, or an experience with God. And yet the priestly class of the false religion of scientism has got a majority of people convinced none of that ever happened!!

They really do think that if a tree falls in the woods and a scientist wasn't there to capture the sound of it in a lab, it didn't happen!!

That is an astounding feat of closed mindedness and hubris and irrationality. When you're religion separates you from your fellow man so much that you can't take his or her word for anything that isn't proven in a lab, then a degree of thought control has stepped in that's pretty scary.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

To be fair, that is what a bat s*** crazy person would say.

If you go read the last five pages, there's no way that my posts are the rantings of a crazy person.

It's just that in this new era of the religion of scientism unless a scientist was there to prove it in a lab, it didn't happen.

No matter that they don't have labs set up in every hospital room to measure near death experiences, in every forest glenn to capture anomalies and have no possible way of measuring people's experiences with God at all..... Still it didn't happen if they didn't measure it!!!

Calling people crazy who have these experiences or believe others who have is profoundly irrational... and stupid even. Are we really to believe that everyone whoever believed in these things or had these experiences is crazy? Is that even a reasonable thing to put forth?

Of course it isn't.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

That implies that my mind could be changed, doesn't it?

It could be supernatural.

You didn't reply to my last message on this. Why is that the only other option? You believe in mass conspiracies, is it possible that the anecdotal information you've heard is part of a conspiracy as well or maybe part conspiracy part misidentification, hoaxes, or natural phenomena?

 

[kflo]

Thanks for finally letting us know that you truly don't have anything of worth to say. We appreciate it.

Dude. We know Bigfoot is real.

He’s either really real
Or supernaturally real.

Now take your L.

 

[KnockoutsGalore]

Dude. We know Bigfoot is real.

He’s either really real
Or supernaturally real.

Now take your L.

You forgot about super real.
supereally natural real.
and really naturally super real.

Loser.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

You didn't reply to my last message on this. Why is that the only other option? You believe in mass conspiracies, is it possible that the anecdotal information you've heard is part of a conspiracy as well or maybe part conspiracy part misidentification, hoaxes, or natural phenomena?

How many accounts have you taken in in detail? I've taken in well over 500 Bigfoot accounts in in detail.

Misidentification is not a possibility for all of those accounts and a conspiracy is just ridiculous. Random encounters in the woods can't be faked by a conspiracy.

Either the creature exists or there's a paranormal mythological element to it, which is my preferred perspective. And ghosts and UFOs and the like are all the same type of phenomenon in my opinion and are nearly universally experienced. well over 50% of the population has had something like this happen to them if paranormal UFO and god are included in it.

I think that it's irrational and arrogant to believe all those people are stupid, crazy or misidentifying things.

Misidentification Is hilarious if you've taken in many accounts... It's just not a reasonable explanation for what people see.

 

[KnockoutsGalore]

How many accounts have you taken in in detail? I've taken in well over 500 Bigfoot accounts in in detail.

Misidentification is not a possibility for all of those accounts and a conspiracy is just ridiculous. Random encounters in the woods can't be faked by a conspiracy.

Either the creature exists or there's a paranormal mythological element to it, which is my preferred perspective. And ghosts and UFOs and the like are all the same type of phenomenon in my opinion and are nearly universally experienced. well over 50% of the population has had something like this happen to them if paranormal UFO and god are included in it.

I think that it's irrational and arrogant to believe all those people are stupid, crazy or misidentifying things.

Misidentification! Is hilarious if you've taken in many accounts... It's just not a reasonable explanation for what people see.

Just out of curiosity, from where are you pulling this number that you are claiming to be a fact?

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Just out of curiosity, from where are you pulling this number that you are claiming to be a fact?

Go and Google percentage of the population that's had a mystical experience and believes it's actually God and not just chemicals in their brain? Do you really think people go to church and don't feel God's presence? Almost every single person who attends church has felt the presence of the holy spirit. Now think of all the Hindus and Buddhists Muslims pagans from various traditions etc. You think those people don't have encounters?

Now just add the percentage of people that believe they've experienced something paranormal add to that the percentage of people who think they've seen a UFO and add to that the percentage of people who have seen Bigfoot and you're 50% number is going to come out very conservative.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

How many accounts have you taken in in detail? I've taken in well over 500 Bigfoot accounts in in detail.

Misidentification is not a possibility for all of those accounts and a conspiracy is just ridiculous. Random encounters in the woods can't be faked by a conspiracy.

Either the creature exists or there's a paranormal mythological element to it, which is my preferred perspective. And ghosts and UFOs and the like are all the same type of phenomenon in my opinion and are nearly universally experienced. well over 50% of the population has had something like this happen to them if paranormal UFO and god are included in it.

I think that it's irrational and arrogant to believe all those people are stupid, crazy or misidentifying things.

Misidentification Is hilarious if you've taken in many accounts... It's just not a reasonable explanation for what people see.

Again I ask, why can't it be a combination of misidentification, hoaxes/conspiracy, and natural phenomena. This happened with crop circles decades ago. Or, this may be novel, but saying "I don't know" if Bigfoot exists, and will wait for more definitive evidence.

 

[KnockoutsGalore]

Go and Google percentage of the population that's had a mystical experience and believes it's actually God and not just chemicals in their brain? Do you really think people go to church and don't feel God's presence? Almost every single person who attends church has felt the presence of the holy spirit. Now think of all the Hindus and Buddhists Muslims pagans from various traditions etc. You think those people don't have encounters?

Now just add the percentage of people that believe they've experienced something paranormal add to that the percentage of people who think they've seen a UFO and add to that the percentage of people who have seen Bigfoot and you're 50% number is going to come out very conservative.

Are Hindus, Buddhists, and Muslims having encounters with the Judeo-Christian God? Or with their own deities?

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Again I ask, why can't it be a combination of misidentification, hoaxes/conspiracy, and natural phenomena. This happened with crop circles decades ago. Or, this may be novel, but saying "I don't know" if Bigfoot exists, and will wait for more definitive evidence.

Well why don't you listen to 500 or 1,000 Bigfoot accounts and see if you think that? I'm confident that you won't.

I think missidentification works when you vaguely imagine someone in the woods catching a glimpse of something walking on two legs through the forest. Probably a bear or a bigan in a gilly suit But you can only rely on that vague imagining if you don't actually take in the accounts and listen to what people actually experience.

The problem here lies in the skeptics, inability and unwillingness to just be patient enough to take in the data instead relying on vague imaginings to fill in the blanks in the absence of data. It's the classic principle of contempt prior to investigation.

You are asking this question because you have no knowledge of the subject.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Well why don't you listen to 500 or 1,000 Bigfoot accounts and see if you think that? I'm confident that you won't.

I think missidentification works when you vaguely imagine someone in the woods catching a glimpse of something walking on two legs through the forest. Probably a bear or a bigan in a gilly suit But you can only rely on that vague imagining if you don't actually take in the accounts and listen to what people actually experience.

The problem here lies in the skeptics, inability and unwillingness to just be patient enough to take in the data instead relying on vague imaginings to fill in the blanks in the absence of data. It's the classic principle of contempt prior to investigation.

You are asking this question because you have no knowledge of the subject.

I'm not sure what you mean, I haven't ruled out a branch of unknown hominids like Bigfoot existing. In fact, I think it would be pretty cool if they did exist. I'm just waiting for more tangible evidence before I believe. Is that wrong in your eyes?

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Are Hindus, Buddhists, and Muslims having encounters with the Judeo-Christian God? Or with their own deities?

Interspiritual thought has already handled this straw man that comes from the atheist community.

If you gather the advanced templatives from Buddhism, Hinduism and Christian spirituality and Judaism and Muslims, there are differences that a certain but we also find striking similarities.

Saccitananda for instance, is the experience of pure being which causes bliss. So there are three elements to this, pure being, consciousness of pure being, and the bliss that results. It is a non-personal experience. You're just experiencing a state, a force, or an energy. It's not personal.

The holy Trinity, Father, son and holy spirit is more accurately stated as pure being pure consciousness and love. It is a strikingly similar experience to the Hindu version, only it's personal so there is an element of personal connection to it and it's love instead of bliss because of that personality.

These are the two highest states known by either tradition. These traditions arrived at these states independently from one another through completely different world views and yet here we have striking similarities.

You can do the same thing with all the world's traditions. Yes, there are differences but there are profound similarities which I think is strong evidence that we're independently coming to states of consciousness and to realities that are really there.

I have had both of these encounters in their fullness multiple times as I am an avid meditator and have spent three to five hours a day in meditation since I was 20 years old. They're not exactly the same but they are profoundly similar.


The notion that because they're given different names means they're different things is idiotic even.

 

[KnockoutsGalore]

Interspiritual thought has already handled this straw man that comes from the atheist community.

If you gather the advanced templatives from Buddhism, Hinduism and Christian spirituality and Judaism and Muslims, there are differences that a certain but we also find striking similarities.

Saccitananda for instance, is the experience of pure being which causes bliss. So there are three elements to this, pure being, consciousness of pure being, and the bliss that results. It is a non-personal experience. You're just experiencing a state, a force, or an energy. It's not personal.

The holy Trinity, Father, son and holy spirit is more accurately stated as pure being pure consciousness and love. It is a strikingly similar experience to the Hindu version, only it's personal so there is an element of personal connection to it and it's love instead of bliss because of that personality.

These are the two highest states known by either tradition. These traditions arrived at these states independently from one another through completely different world views and yet here we have striking similarities.

You can do the same thing with all the world's traditions. Yes, there are differences but there are profound similarities which I think is strong evidence that we're independently coming to states of consciousness and to realities that are really there.

I have had both of these encounters in their fullness multiple times as I am an avid meditator and have spent three to five hours a day in meditation since I was 20 years old. They're not exactly the same but they are profoundly similar.


The notion that because they're given different names means they're different things is idiotic even.

So you believe that Allah, whom the Muslims pray to as God, IS the Judeo-Christian God, and that their experiences with Allah are actually the Judeo-Christian God? No novel, just yes or no?