Rampage explains how outer space is a hoax

[BearGrounds]

Imagine thinking Bigfoot exists with the number of cameras and people in the woods.

Rofl

Their rarity aside, their ability to avoid trail cams (there are some debatable images floating about the net of supposed captures, so it's possible we already have some images) would likely be a combination of being aware of human activity when they're in their territories setting up, and a general avoidance of foreign objects.

Research has shown that coyotes are quite adept at avoiding trail cams, and the Sasquatch would undoubtedly be more capable of avoidance than is a coyote.

Abstract: The primary objective of this study was to develop a better understanding of coyote (Canis latrans) wariness particularly as it related to social status. We determined that territory status (controlling alpha, resident beta, or nonterritorial transient) affected vulnerability to photo-capture by infrared-triggered camera systems. All coyotes were wary of cameras, leading to relatively low numbers of photo-captures, most of which occurred at night. Alphas were significantly underrepresented in photographs and were never photo-captured inside their own territories. Betas were photographed inside and outside their territories, whereas transients were most often photographed on edges of territories. Both alphas and betas were photographed more often on territorial edges when outside their territories. We next addressed the question of how alphas were better able to avoid photo-capture. Alphas tracked human activity within their territories and presumably learned the locations of cameras as they were being set up. They did this either by approaching our location directly or by moving to a vantage point from where they could observe us. Betas and transients either withdrew or did not respond to human activity. Trials in which a dog was present were more likely to elicit an approach response from alphas. Avoidance of camera stations and the tracking of human activity implied wariness toward objects or locations resulting from their learned association with human presence rather than neophobia toward the objects themselves.
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http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1227&context=icwdm_usdanwrc

Also, there's simply a ton of wilderness not covered by trail cameras at all - there's even prohibitions against using them in much of the designated wilderness regions (they're considered installations). You would have to get special permission from the park's services, and your captures would be overseen.

In short, lack of trail cam captures isn't a definitive argument against their existence, and most people aren't anywhere near the deep woods, they're sitting in cities.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

I get a lot of notifications from threads like these, and I don't always feel like addressing them all. Some get lost or abandoned.

That's the only other option I see thus far, because I'm sufficiently convinced that the creature exists physically (due to experience and investigation). I'm as sure of it, as you are that the earth is a globe.

For it to be part of a conspiracy a couple of close friends of mine, and some people I worked for, would have to have be in on it. Not likely, unless I'm in the Truman Show.

I don't believe that's an accurate comparison, the GPS I used this morning works because of globe earth geometry. Years ago when I used to conduct geodetic surveys for drilling sites, they had to account for a globed earth. The pipeline team often had to account for the curvature when planning routes. This wasn't just me and my team, this repeated every day as everyone in my field around the world had to do this.

A lot of people have close friends, family and co-workers in fields you consider conspiratorial and would have to be in the conspiracy. Does that mean those conspiracies don't exist?

 

[BearGrounds]

I don't believe that's an accurate comparison, the GPS I used this morning works because of globe earth geometry. Years ago when I used to conduct geodetic surveys for drilling sites, they had to account for a globed earth. The pipeline team often had to account for the curvature when planning routes. This wasn't just me and my team, this repeated every day as everyone in my field around the world had to do this.

A lot of people have close friends, family and co-workers is fields you consider conspiratorial and would have to be in the conspiracy. Does that mean those conspiracies don't exist?

Are you really going to nitpick an analogy I just tossed out there for the sake of making a point?



Your second question is going to need to be rephrased before I bother attempting to answer it, if I do at all. Not sure I want to carry on a conversation with a guy who's going to get hung up on an off hand analogy; as I have little doubt it'll get tiresome rapidly.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Believing Bigfoot is a gigantopithecus is a very big stretch without any fossil evidence to back that theory up as gigantopithecus existed in East Asia. There is no evidence to suggest that gigantopithecus ever inhabited the regions of North America. Now if fossil remains were found, or if a living gigantopithecus were found then that would change things.

Also, I also included in brackets (extra evidence) in case "extra-ordinary evidence" wasn't to your liking. I have no problem believing that Caesar existed and I have no problem that a carpenter from Galilee named Yeshua became the focal point of a religion existed either. For me to believe in the Roman gods, or to believe that Jesus was the actual son of god, well that would take some extra evidence.

Again man that's great. I've already said I have no problem with you moving forward the way you're moving forward. Your position is a reasoned one but it is not a necessary one.

 

[kflo]

Go and Google percentage of the population that's had a mystical experience and believes it's actually God and not just chemicals in their brain? Do you really think people go to church and don't feel God's presence? Almost every single person who attends church has felt the presence of the holy spirit. Now think of all the Hindus and Buddhists Muslims pagans from various traditions etc. You think those people don't have encounters?

Now just add the percentage of people that believe they've experienced something paranormal add to that the percentage of people who think they've seen a UFO and add to that the percentage of people who have seen Bigfoot and you're 50% number is going to come out very conservative.

Lol

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Are you really going to nitpick an analogy I just tossed out there for the sake of making a point?



Your second question is going to need to be rephrased before I bother attempting to answer it, if I do at all. Not sure I want to carry on a conversation with a guy who's going to get hung up on an off hand analogy; as I have little doubt it'll get tiresome rapidly.

You made the analogy, I'm just responding to it LOL.

Aren't you saying that you trust your friends and co-workers experiences, and that's one of the main reasons believe in Bigfoot so strongly? Well, if someone were to say that their family and friends were doctors, and that's why they believed in the vaccine so strongly. Would that be a valid stance to you?

 

[BearGrounds]

You made the analogy, I'm just responding to it LOL.

Aren't you saying that you trust your friends and co-workers experiences, and that's one of the main reasons believe in Bigfoot so strongly? Well, if someone were to say that their family and friends were doctors, and that's why they believed in the vaccine so strongly. Would that be a valid stance to you?

Yea, and you should have gotten the point and moved on, instead of being the "ackhtually" guy. Terrible look.

I'm not asking you to be convinced by the fact that I personally know people who've had sightings/experiences, if that's what you're getting at. You shouldn't be.

If it were in isolation I might remain skeptical, but it isn't.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Their rarity aside, their ability to avoid trail cams (there are some debatable images floating about the net of supposed captures, so it's possible we already have some images) would likely be a combination of being aware of human activity when they're in their territories setting up, and a general avoidance of foreign objects.

Research has shown that coyotes are quite adept at avoiding trail cams, and the Sasquatch would undoubtedly be more capable of avoidance than is a coyote.


http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1227&context=icwdm_usdanwrc

Also, there's simply a ton of wilderness not covered by trail cameras at all - there's even prohibitions against using them in much of the designated wilderness regions (they're considered installations). You would have to get special permission from the park's services, and your captures would be overseen.

In short, lack of trail cam captures isn't a definitive argument against their existence, and most people aren't anywhere near the deep woods, they're sitting in cities.

Hey man, I don't know where you live but I also spend a great deal of time in the mountains and I can tell you right now the amount of people is quite low.

Sure, next to roads and trail systems you're going to find people but if you go back away from all of that you don't see anybody ever.

If chimpa go nocturnal to avoid humans when it's needed, there'd be no reason these animals couldn't go nocturnal to avoid humans.

Also, if it's a hominid a bipedal hominid, there's every chance that it's intelligence is higher than that of the great apes. There could be an intellectual mandate to stay away from humans as a point of safety.

 

[kflo]

Hey man, I don't know where you live but I also spend a great deal of time in the mountains and I can tell you right now the amount of people is quite low.

Sure, next to roads and trail systems you're going to find people but if you go back away from all of that you don't see anybody ever.

If chimpa go nocturnal to avoid humans when it's needed, there'd be no reason these animals couldn't go nocturnal to avoid humans.

Also, if it's a hominid a bipedal hominid, there's every chance that it's intelligence is higher than that of the great apes. There could be an intellectual mandate to stay away from humans as a point of safety.

they probably have books passed down from generation to generation warning of the dangers of human interaction.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Yea, and you should have gotten the point and moved on, instead of being the "ackhtually" guy. Terrible look.

I'm not asking you to be convinced by the fact that I personally know people who've had sightings/experiences, if that's what you're getting at. You shouldn't be.

If it were in isolation I might remain skeptical, but it isn't.

Why would I move on as it was such a strange point. Without any other tangible physical evidence that other people can examine, your friends could very well honestly be mistaken, falling for a hoax, part of a hoax or any combination of the above. It really doesn't seem that concrete to me, and I'm surprised you wouldn't consider any of those other choices as a possible.

 

[KnockoutsGalore]

Why would I move on as it was such a strange point. Without any other tangible physical evidence that other people can examine, your friends could very well honestly be mistaken, falling for a hoax, part of a hoax or any combination of the above. It really doesn't seem that concrete to me, and I'm surprised you wouldn't consider any of those other choices as a possible.

There you go again, spouting your nonsense. It can't be any of those things, because if it is untrue then the only logical answer is that it must be supernatural. Duh...

 

[BearGrounds]

Why would I move on as it was such a strange point.

Without any other tangible physical evidence that other people can examine, your friends could very well honestly be mistaken, falling for a hoax, part of a hoax or any combination of the above. It really doesn't seem that concrete to me, and I'm surprised you wouldn't consider any of those other choices as a possible.

You're viewing it in isolation, that's your problem. Plus you lack context. Of course, given that, it doesn't seem concrete to you.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

I think this is actually my fault. I think I brought up Bigfoot first like a week ago thinking it would be accepted be everyone as not real when I was trying make an example.

Boy was I wrong…

we're living in a time where taylor swift is a deep state federal agent and a football game is a super secret psy-op used to rig the election.

 

[kflo]

we're living in a time where taylor swift is a deep state federal agent and a football game is a super secret psy-op used to rig the election.

yeah, well, you can't prove those things aren't true.....

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

You're viewing it in isolation, that's your problem. Plus you lack context. Of course, given that, it doesn't seem concrete to you.

The context is an extra-ordinary claim made by people that a person trusts. I would apply the same criteria to any scenario with the same variables. Are you a critical thinker, why can't you think critically about this?

 

[KnockoutsGalore]

yeah, well, you can't prove those things aren't true.....

And if you can, the only logical explanation is the supernatural

 

[Andy Capp]

So yeah, since I'm being a decent person and giving you the benefit of the doubt, use that too mock me. That's a good idea.

That's pretty bad faith posting man.

You lied. I pointed out you lied and then you lied again. And then your response to it being pointed out again was, "Oh well, you're a bad faith poster." Your superior attitude while consistently outing yourself as an hypocrite is stunning.

 

[Andy Capp]

I think the new atheists did more damage than the state or big business honestly. I mean I'm not denying what you said but the state and big business is not the reason that people have stopped believing one another or even being able to hear one another.


It is absurd to me that so many people simply cannot know someone, trust them and then hear what they say and take it in. The religion of scientism separates people from one another instead of bringing people together.

ROFL you criticize other peoples' application of the scientific method but for this you want people to accept "just trust me, bro" as scientifically valid? GTFO with this idiocy already, charlatan.

 

[Blayt7hh]

My position in this thread has never varied. People have lied about it but let me state it clearly so you know. I think if a person chooses to wait to believe in something until it is proven, that's a fair game for them to play and I don't judge it. I have no interest in convincing that person. It might be nice to discuss things with that person, but a need to convince them doesn't exist for me. I respect the way they choose to move forward with knowledge.

I am just stating that it is reasonable and reasoned to believe in this phenomenon based only on other people's accounts, even if you haven't experienced it yourself.
It is reasoned and reasonable to believe in this phenomenon based on your own experience.

The only thing I have said that is out of place and completely unwarranted is the mocking of people who do believe based on other people's accounts or their own experience. The certainty that a phenomenon doesn't exist because a scientist hasn't proven it in the lab is a religious kind of certainty.

You might catch me leaning towards judging people for not believing in things unless science has proven it in a lab, but it's really just in the context of this thread and being attacked and mocked and ridiculed and accused of being crazy by these people that I say those things.

Shut up about the lab thing dude. No one said Bigfoot had to be analyzed in a lab.

People have made really basic asks. Footprints found by a footprint/bigfoot expert don’t cut it, sorry. Not when it asks us to ignore the glaringly obvious problems with the theory that he exists. I’ve accused you of not addressing those problems intentionally because you knew that wasn’t going to go well and I was right. Since then ive seen you make some of the same excuses for those issues and it’s a freakin joke man.

You actually did post the theory that they hide bodies, and you deserve to laughed at for it. There would have to be millions of remains by now and you suggest that they’re all piled up somewhere super secret? That we can find 65 million year old chicken sized dinosaur remains but not 10 foot apemen bones? That to there would have to be like thousands of them alive today to have a survivable population?

Oh I’ve seen you post that they’re on the edge of extinction, but even still since Europeans weee here there would have been thousands of them at any given point dying and leaving bones behind. So now we’re down to the last few and they’re dragging around sacks of bones to keep them hidden from us. Not to mention that now we need a theory as to why they’re going extinct because they’re apex predators and we obviously aren’t killing them off. Please dont insult us any further by bringing up habitat destruction because there more then enough still out there to support them.

Frankly I would be more inclined to believe he’s a shamanistic spirit god or something before I believed there is an actual species out there. And I don’t believe in spirits. That’s how ludicrous this proposition is. You don’t need a lab to figure that out, just some basic known information about nature in general.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

yeah, well, you can't prove those things aren't true.....

your flattie logic will not work on me son.