Crime Ralph Yarl shooting.

[Deleted member 585708]

Um, yeah, and you're a great example of it. A normal person doesn't start with "muh racism" and reverse engineer some ludicrous scenario where the old man was expectingcompany or would have tussled his hair and invited him in if it was a random white teenager showing up at 10pm, but you NEED it to be a black kid because you wouldn't give a shit if it wasn't or the old guy was black, and we know that because shootings with different demographics happen orders of magnitude more often and you don't give a shit about any of them and they're out of the news tge next day. The racial component is that because the old guy was white and the kid was black, he $3.5 million in gofundme and invited to the white house, and none of that happens if they're both the same race or reversed, which is pretty much every shooting. If they're both white, the thread might last a couple hours of you all repeating whatever gun control argument the news told you to say.

So here's how it went for me.

1) Saw the story about an old man shooting a bell ringer in the head.
2) Felt disgusted by that.
3) Watched the prosecution announcement.
4) Heard the probable cause statement that included the potential for a racist element
5) Wasn't sure about any of it, but am not so stupid to overrule the prosecution and the work by the police department because 'muh politics'.

Hope that helps differentiate me from a wild emotional responder like you.

 

[Ruke Doufus]

Should try the Alec Baldwin defense and then go make a movie about it.

 

[SLUG1186]

Probable cause, probable cause, probable cause, probable cause, probable cause, probable cause.

Since you seem to not know where the idea there is a potential for racism came from, I'll help you.

PROBABLE CAUSE.

Have you even read the probable cause statement? It's for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. There is nothing about racism in there. So what probable cause for racism are you speaking of?

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Have you even read the probable cause statement? It's for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. There is nothing about racism in there. So what probable cause for racism are you speaking of?

The prosecutor said, when answering questions, 'yes' to there being a 'racial element'. He was citing the probable cause throughout. You can find the video somewhere on this thread.

You cited the charge (one of two).

https://people.com/crime/ralph-yarl-shooting-prosecutor-cites-racial-component/

Here is a link to what specifically was said.

 

[SLUG1186]

The prosecutor said, when answering questions, 'yes' to there being a 'racial element'. He was citing the probable cause throughout. You can find the video somewhere on this thread.

You cited the charge (one of two).

So you haven't actually read it? Racial element is the fact that shooter is white, victim is black. There is ZERO evidence mentioned in the probable cause statement supporting any racial motivation. Stop spouting bullshit.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

So you haven't actually read it? Racial element is the fact that shooter is white, victim is black. There is ZERO evidence mentioned in the probable cause statement supporting any racial motivation. Stop spouting bullshit.

Is it made up by posters on Sherdog then, or is there a very firm reason for suspecting a racial element?

That is the question that is being asked over and over and over.

Also, it's very difficult to read the probable cause 'as is' as many of the local news sites are blocked content in my country for copyright reasons. So to go off what the DA said when answering questions about the probable cause is more than sufficient for me. If you know more, correct the info. If you're calling me an idiot because of things beyond my control, it's probably you who is the idiot.

 

[SLUG1186]

Is it made up by posters on Sherdog then, or is there a very firm reason for suspecting a racial element?

That is the question that is being asked over and over and over.

Also, it's very difficult to read the probable cause 'as is' as many of the local news sites are blocked content in my country for copyright reasons. So to go off what the DA said when answering questions about the probable cause is more than sufficient for me. If you know more, correct the info. If you're calling me an idiot because of things beyond my control, it's probably you who is the idiot.

I never called you an idiot, I said stop spouting bullshit. You keep saying it's in the probable cause, it's not. If you don't have access to it stop speaking as if you know what you are talking about. The racial element the prosecutor is referring to is the fact that shooter is white, victim is black. Nothing indicates a racial motivation for the shooting in the PC statement.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/04/18/us/andrew-lester-criminal-complaint.html

 

[Deleted member 585708]

I never called you an idiot, I said stop spouting bullshit. You keep saying it's in the probable cause, it's not. If you don't have access to it stop speaking as if you know what you are talking about. The racial element the prosecutor is referring to is the fact that shooter is white, victim is black. Nothing indicates a racial motivation for the shooting in the PC statement.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/04/18/us/andrew-lester-criminal-complaint.html

Noted, and appreciate it.

However, the question of where the source of the idea of a racial motivation comes from is the DA, right?

Not the MSM or leftists, which continually gets asserted, or at least asked.

Let's hope that you've cleared it up for everyone.

 

[SLUG1186]

Noted, and appreciate it.

However, the question of where the source of the idea of a racial motivation comes from is the DA, right?

Not the MSM or leftists, which continually gets asserted, or at least asked.

Let's hope that you've cleared it up for everyone.

No, the media and activists are pushing that, he is simply appeasing the mob with that statement. Homeowners are very rarely arrested the night they shoot an alleged intruder unless there is clear evidence he is lying. The "racism" allegation is coming from the media and leftist who claim he wasn't arrested because he was white and shot a black kid. Once they spoke with the victims parents and the victim himself, they had a more full picture of what likely transpired and they now have the PC to file charges.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

No, the media and activists are pushing that, he is simply appeasing the mob with that statement. Homeowners are very rarely arrested the night they shoot an alleged intruder unless there is clear evidence he is lying. The "racism" allegation is coming from the media and leftist who claim he wasn't arrested because he was white and shot a black kid. Once they spoke with the victims parents and the victim himself, they had a more full picture of what likely transpired and they now have the PC to file charges.

It is still the source of the contention.

 

[lifelessheap]

Well said, I would add a definition to Class warfare. Class warfare isn't about your income tax bracket. It's about those who work for a living and those who make money off other people's work.
End game capitalism sucks. I hadn't realized my childhood game of Monopoly was meant to be a life lesson.

The problem is people are ignorant. The power of compound interest is real. You can be poor and invest. Over time your money works for you. And it snowballs. Even if you made minimum wage if you sacrificed you could invest. Simple mutual funds or ETFs can change your position in life.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Nostradumbass getting conflicting advice from the voices in his head when it comes to devious old men and their rampant sex lives/assumption nobody ever visits old people after 'bed time' at 7:00 pm.

If only you didn't have to play these stupid political games, dude, you wouldn't tie yourself in such knots!

Lmao. Hes still probably clinging to that despicable erotic debunked conspiracy theory. Imagine still joking about an old guy getting bashed in the head with a hammer. Nobody of substance is taking him seriously.

 

[Andy Capp]

No, the media and activists are pushing that, he is simply appeasing the mob with that statement. Homeowners are very rarely arrested the night they shoot an alleged intruder unless there is clear evidence he is lying. The "racism" allegation is coming from the media and leftist who claim he wasn't arrested because he was white and shot a black kid. Once they spoke with the victims parents and the victim himself, they had a more full picture of what likely transpired and they now have the PC to file charges.

No one is pushing that but right wingers trying to stir up outrage as far as I can see. Agreed that @idrankyourbeer had the details slightly--though somewhat importantly--incorrect but in any event he's correct that the supposed racial element of the crime was according to the DA even though he also made haste to clarify that it was not in the probable cause statement nor did it have any impact on what the shooter was charged with. I assume @idrankyourbeer must have just tuned out for a moment right then and missed that part. Not to speak for him but I think it's something that would be easy to do and it would not surprise me at all if many others erred as he did in their understanding. But as far as this goes, "The "racism" allegation is coming from the media and leftist who claim he wasn't arrested because he was white and shot a black kid. Once they spoke with the victims parents and the victim himself, they had a more full picture of what likely transpired and they now have the PC to file charges." when I first heard of this story what I heard from the media was that they went out of their way to specify they were procedurally barred from pressing any charges until they obtained a statement from the victim. I don't have a clue why that is, and it sounds stupid me--and likely prone to selective enforcement but that's just an opinion--but I accepted the claim in the absence of contradictory information and saw no reason not to.

Briefly ITT there was speculation about it but I haven't heard it mentioned since the earliest moments of the event. Can you source your claim that it's "being pushed" by the media?

 

[SLUG1186]

No one is pushing that but right wingers trying to stir up outrage as far as I can see. Agreed that @idrankyourbeer had the details slightly--though somewhat importantly--incorrect but in any event he's correct that the supposed racial element of the crime was according to the DA even though he also made haste to clarify that it was not in the probable cause statement nor did it have any impact on what the shooter was charged with. I assume @idrankyourbeer must have just tuned out for a moment right then and missed that part. Not to speak for him but I think it's something that would be easy to do and it would not surprise me at all if many others erred as he did in their understanding. But as far as this goes, "The "racism" allegation is coming from the media and leftist who claim he wasn't arrested because he was white and shot a black kid. Once they spoke with the victims parents and the victim himself, they had a more full picture of what likely transpired and they now have the PC to file charges." when I first heard of this story what I heard from the media was that they went out of their way to specify they were procedurally barred from pressing any charges until they obtained a statement from the victim. I don't have a clue why that is, and it sounds stupid me--and likely prone to selective enforcement but that's just an opinion--but I accepted the claim in the absence of contradictory information and saw no reason not to.

Briefly ITT there was speculation about it but I haven't heard it mentioned since the earliest moments of the event. Can you source your claim that it's "being pushed" by the media?

The people crying racism have been your typical twitter moron. The media is just doing it's job in reminding everyone that the shooter is WHITE and the victim is BLACK. Thus keeping that racial element at the forefront. You can google it and come across a number of different articles, many of them making the race known in the headline, only one reason for that, to push a racial narrative and agitate people.

From the OP article
The resident, whose name and race has not been released by police, was taken into custody and held for 24 hours, the maximum for a suspect in a felony until charges are filed.
“After consulting with the Clay County prosecutor’s office, the homeowner was released pending further investigation due to the need to obtain a formal statement from the victim and compile additional information for a case file to be presented”

They weren't barred from pressing charges, they simply didn't have enough evidence for any at that time.

 

[Andy Capp]

The people crying racism have been your typical twitter moron. The media is just doing it's job in reminding everyone that the shooter is WHITE and the victim is BLACK. Thus keeping that racial element at the forefront. You can google it and come across a number of different articles, many of them making the race known in the headline, only one reason for that, to push a racial narrative and agitate people.

From the OP article
The resident, whose name and race has not been released by police, was taken into custody and held for 24 hours, the maximum for a suspect in a felony until charges are filed.
“After consulting with the Clay County prosecutor’s office, the homeowner was released pending further investigation due to the need to obtain a formal statement from the victim and compile additional information for a case file to be presented”

They weren't barred from pressing charges, they simply didn't have enough evidence for any at that time.

Interesting interpretation, but that's all it is--a subjective view. I think you have to go looking for it to see such "keeping that racial element at the forefront". Just my opinion also, though, for what that's worth. I think it's a fatuous complaint. From what I have been able to discern ITT, the only discussion about race in this case is prompted by right-wing outrage posts that the subject was ever broached at all in the first place.

In practically the same breath that the DA confirmed that was an apparent racial element he added that it was not in the probable cause statement because it wasn't an element of the charges against the shooter, just the overall case. Why not just spam everyone who claims otherwise with that fact instead of whining about perceived crafting of a narrative?

 

[Crazy Source]

Shooter just died. Victim is now a freshman at Texas A&M.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/19/us/andrew-lester-ralph-yarl-shooting/index.html

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Shooter just died. Victim is now a freshman at Texas A&M.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/19/us/andrew-lester-ralph-yarl-shooting/index.html

RIP

 

[milliniar]

Well at least he plead guilty to something.