Crime Ralph Yarl shooting.

So did the guy enter the house and get shot by the old man or did he simply ring the doorbell and get shot through the door. I've seen conflicting reports.

I had someone try to enter my apartment. It was a Friday or Saturday night, after 10 sometime. My ex and I were on the couch watching tv and her son was at my parents house. We heard a key slide into the lock on the front door and start to wiggle it. Her and I were the only two people who had a key to our apartment so I knew it wasn't good. I jumped up and pushed the heavy cabinet we had next to the door, in front of the door so they couldn't force the door open. Then I grabbed my hand gun and hopped over our balcony and came around the corner. I never pointed my gun at him, just kept it at my side. I soon realized he was a drunk guy thinking he was somewhere else. He left and it was fine. I don't see why this old man would shoot someone through the door if they were just ringing the doorbell. So either he's at fault or there's more to it.
 
Spounman said:
So did the guy enter the house and get shot by the old man or did he simply ring the doorbell and get shot through the door. I've seen conflicting reports.

I had someone try to enter my apartment. It was a Friday or Saturday night, after 10 sometime. My ex and I were on the couch watching tv and her son was at my parents house. We heard a key slide into the lock on the front door and start to wiggle it. Her and I were the only two people who had a key to our apartment so I knew it wasn't good. I jumped up and pushed the heavy cabinet we had next to the door, in front of the door so they couldn't force the door open. Then I grabbed my hand gun and hopped over our balcony and came around the corner. I never pointed my gun at him, just kept it at my side. I soon realized he was a drunk guy thinking he was somewhere else. He left and it was fine. I don't see why this old man would shoot someone through the door if they were just ringing the doorbell. So either he's at fault or there's more to it.
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this might be post of the year
 
oldshadow said:
It's castle doctrine. The only defense if it's a castle doctrine state is to try and convince a jury that the kid was trying to get through the door to attack him. Unless the door showed signs of attempted force which doesn't look like it does per the fact of what they charged him with.

Just from what I'm seeing. The opened the inter door and the kid turned the handle on the outer door as he was opening the inter door. The panicked and shot.
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When a person opens the inner door, it's only natural that you can open the outer door to talk face to face.

Often you've already opened the flimsy outer door so as to knock on the actual wood door even when at a complete stranger's house

There's no way the idea of him (allegedly) turning the handle on the storm door will be seen as the victim here attempting to break in
 
Spounman said:
So did the guy enter the house and get shot by the old man or did he simply ring the doorbell and get shot through the door. I've seen conflicting reports.

I had someone try to enter my apartment. It was a Friday or Saturday night, after 10 sometime. My ex and I were on the couch watching tv and her son was at my parents house. We heard a key slide into the lock on the front door and start to wiggle it. Her and I were the only two people who had a key to our apartment so I knew it wasn't good. I jumped up and pushed the heavy cabinet we had next to the door, in front of the door so they couldn't force the door open. Then I grabbed my hand gun and hopped over our balcony and came around the corner. I never pointed my gun at him, just kept it at my side. I soon realized he was a drunk guy thinking he was somewhere else. He left and it was fine. I don't see why this old man would shoot someone through the door if they were just ringing the doorbell. So either he's at fault or there's more to it.
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There was a clear glass storm door. So think two doors not just shot blindly through a solid wooden door. Old man opened up his inner door (think the yellow one in this picture) and then shot the victim through the still closed glass door.

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I've had two moments somewhat similar to yours where it was middle of the night and someone knocked on my door. Grabbed gun and held at my side never pointing in a dangerous direction, one of the times I talked through the door the other time I did open it partway with my leg and body against the door should they try to push through. One was a drunk person, one was a late night arrival to her sister's place and each gave an "oh shoot, so sorry" type response once they realized they were at the wrong place. We lived in cookie cutter condo development at the time so I'm sure they were just off one unit or one street to the home they were actually looking for.
 
The Catch-Wrestler said:
Does anyone wonder why the kid was opening the door at all? If you knock on a stranger's door in the middle of the night, would you personally reach for a handle and turn the knob - on even a storm door? I only ask because I certainly wouldn't - but it's always possible the kid had recognized how old the guy was and trying to assuage any fears by helping with the door? I don't know, we don't have any more information yet. Curious about everyone's thoughts on that detail.
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Back when I was running for office, we'd go get petition signatures door to door. Often, if I couldn't find the doorbell or it ddin't seem to be working, I'd open the screen door to knock on the main door. Knocking on screen doors is a waste of energy.

I don't know how late this event happened but, for me, we always did it in the evening because that's when people were home from work. So it often it was after sundown. In my experience, I've never had anyone even yell at me and I definitely was never threatened. But I was an adult wearing a suit and tie carrying a clipboard so not the same image.
 
Rational Poster said:
There is an epidemic of unhinged entitled paranoid white males fueled by right wing propaganda.
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A lot of "News" outlets are continually saying that "You're being replaced! You're being replaced by Women, Black, Brown people, and the "Globalists!"

And they believe it, they live in fear of "the other."
 
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HockeyBjj said:
There was a clear glass storm door. So think two doors not just shot blindly through a solid wooden door. Old man opened up his inner door (think the yellow one in this picture) and then shot the victim through the still closed glass door.

fullview-storm-door.jpg


I've had two moments somewhat similar to yours where it was middle of the night and someone knocked on my door. Grabbed gun and held at my side never pointing in a dangerous direction, one of the times I talked through the door the other time I did open it partway with my leg and body against the door should they try to push through. One was a drunk person, one was a late night arrival to her sister's place and each gave an "oh shoot, so sorry" type response once they realized they were at the wrong place. We lived in cookie cutter condo development at the time so I'm sure they were just off one unit or one street to the home they were actually looking for.
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So he shot him through a glass door after the guy rang the doorbell. Yeah I don't see how he's going to get that considered justifiable.
 
panamaican said:
Back when I was running for office, we'd go get petition signatures door to door. Often, if I couldn't find the doorbell or it ddin't seem to be working, I'd open the screen door to knock on the main door. Knocking on screen doors is a waste of energy.

I don't know how late this event happened but, for me, we always did it in the evening because that's when people were home from work. So it often it was after sundown. In my experience, I've never had anyone even yell at me and I definitely was never threatened. But I was an adult wearing a suit and tie carrying a clipboard so not the same image.
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I would have definitely been an A hole who told you I wasn’t interested and waved you on with a hand without listening to hear what it was

I have to do that a few times a summer to pest control or those solar jackwagons that come around now that we bought a house
 
HockeyBjj said:
I would have definitely been an A hole who told you I wasn’t interested and waved you on with a hand without listening to hear what it was

I have to do that a few times a summer to pest control or those solar jackwagons that come around now that we bought a house
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I'm too charming for that. You'd probably have invited me in for coffee. ;)
 
Siver! said:
The question is, do batshit crazy US gun laws mean he's hunky dory from a legal perspective?
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Gun laws have nothing to do with the concept of "stand your ground" laws you weirdo.
 
HockeyBjj said:
I would have definitely been an A hole who told you I wasn’t interested and waved you on with a hand without listening to hear what it was

I have to do that a few times a summer to pest control or those solar jackwagons that come around now that we bought a house
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A "No Soliciting" sign works REALLY well! :)
 
Anyone remember this old story about this 16 year old Japanese foreign exchange student who got killed in America? He was wearing a tuxedo and he rang the wrong house for a Halloween party. I can't remember the specifics but he was this short manlet and the guy who shot him was much bigger than him.
 
It is a reality that there are many old people out there who watch local news crime stories all day. Being too physically frail to defend themselves, its no surprise they are armed and paranoid.
 
LangfordBarrow said:
You should accept your own reputation you earned based on your own posting history. If I recall correctly in that last thread you thought the kid was up to no good because a kid wouldn't miss his school bus and then not know how to walk there. And in that case there was video showing a guy rushing out to shoot someone for ringing his doorbell while being the wrong color.
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I mean, all you left out was that I said the shooter was a nutjob who needed to go to prison. You've made all sorts of insinuations about me simply because I thought "i don't know where my school is" sounded questionable. What makes you think its OK for you to craft an entire narrative for me as a person and demand I accept that as my identity simply because part of the story sounded weird to me?
Like I said, you people all have to knock someone down to pretend to be someone you're not. Thats all this shit is. Imagine thinking you take the high road by making atrocious insinuations based on semantics.
 
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