Crime Ralph Yarl shooting.

I'm curious to wonder why this is being made out to be the state of the nation, rather than being made out as the state of the individual?
As long as we keep addressing these situations with blanket assumptions on race, racism will continue to grow.

Regarding this specific case, you're likely looking at and older person suffering from some form of dementia ( which causes feelings of paranoia) who grew up during a period where racism was more prevalent. As an individual, Lester does not represent the majority of white America. Nor is every black person a criminal waiting to break in to your home.
How about an Era of individual accountability?
 
panamaican said:
Even then it's going to be charged because that's beyond reckless -- what if he missed and hit a passerby? To justify the shooting, the kid would have be trying to break into the house (as perceived by the homeowner). In that case, the homeowner has a better argument. But even then shooting blindly through a door is a deadly force escalation that is going to be hard to sustain, even in a stand your ground state.
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This. Unless the kid was in the process of actually breaking the door down, as opposed to just knocking on it, then it's a bad shoot.
 
MusclesMarinara said:
I'm curious to wonder why this is being made out to be the state of the nation, rather than being made out as the state of the individual?
As long as we keep addressing these situations with blanket assumptions on race, racism will continue to grow.

Regarding this specific case, you're likely looking at and older person suffering from some form of dementia ( which causes feelings of paranoia) who grew up during a period where racism was more prevalent. As an individual, Lester does not represent the majority of white America. Nor is every black person a criminal waiting to break in to your home.
How about an Era of individual accountability?
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You know the answer
 
Fluffernutter said:
Local news took quotes from the shooter's report to the police.

- old man went to bed.

- doorbell wrang.

- old man has two doors at his front entrance. A main wooded door and the storm door.

- both doors were locked.

- old man brought his gun with him when he answered the door.

- old man opened the interior door that was locked.

- while old man unlocked and opened the interior door, teenager has his hand on the handle of the exterior storm door.

- old man claimed he thought teenager was trying to break into his home and shot him.


Again, both the interior and exterior doors were locked. So, teenager could not have been in the house. Old man's interview with police state that the teen was not inside the house during the shooting.
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Opening the door was the dumbest thing the old man could do

Never open your door after dark if you don't know who it is and are uncomfortable for whatever reason. Grab a gun, stay inside, yell at him to get lost through the closed and locked door if you want to. He tries to kick his way in then you can shoot, likely the person just leaves

Opening the door yourself when you don't trust the person on the other side is the worst move to make at that point no matter what the next actions are

Opening the door and then shooting him? Yeah that's illegal bud. Luckily the person survived, sounds like with the traumatic head injury its gonna be a long road to recovery so likely sued for anything the old man has left.

Die in prison or be released in 5-10 years to be homeless is this guy's future
 
Eat My Teep said:
My understanding is that stand your ground was never and is never a @ your home defense, only in public. I'm willing to be corrected though.
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You might be right, I was using it as a stand-in for the self-defense position that a homeowner has no duty to retreat in their own home. I think the proper term is the "Castle Doctrine".
 
Seano said:
I'm just sick of shit ass people like you. You always have to pretend to be superior and not by actually being better, just by pretending everyone is worse. What makes you someone to talk down to me? Who are you?

If you want to be a smarmy cunt, pick someone else.
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You should accept your own reputation you earned based on your own posting history. If I recall correctly in that last thread you thought the kid was up to no good because a kid wouldn't miss his school bus and then not know how to walk there. And in that case there was video showing a guy rushing out to shoot someone for ringing his doorbell while being the wrong color.
 
panamaican said:
You might be right, I was using it as a stand-in for the self-defense position that a homeowner has no duty to retreat in their own home. I think the proper term is the "Castle Doctrine".
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It's castle doctrine. The only defense if it's a castle doctrine state is to try and convince a jury that the kid was trying to get through the door to attack him. Unless the door showed signs of attempted force which doesn't look like it does per the fact of what they charged him with.

Just from what I'm seeing. The opened the inter door and the kid turned the handle on the outer door as he was opening the inter door. The panicked and shot.
 
koquerelle said:
Homeowner will face 2 felony charges, officials announce
A White 84-year-old homeowner who allegedly shot and wounded Ralph Yarl, a Black teen, after the 16-year-old went to the wrong home to pick up his siblings will face two felony charges, Clay County Prosecuting Attorney Zachary Thompson announced early Monday evening.

Andrew Lester will face charges of assault in the first degree and armed criminal action. Authorities have issued a warrant for his arrest and he’s not currently in custody, Thompson said.

“I can tell you there was a racial component to this case,” Thompson said at a news conference without elaborating.

When asked whether hate crime charges could be added, the prosecutor said that in Missouri, a hate crime is a lower level of felony and adding such charges could constitute double jeopardy. A probable cause document released Monday evening similarly doesn’t shine any light on why authorities believe race played a role in this case.

for the rest:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/17/us/kansas-city-teen-shot-wrong-house/index.html
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Oh shit. They found his Sherdog account
 
Of course race is an issue when the media makes it out to be every single time. It can't just be a fossil of a man at 85 years old with limited mental faculties scared out of his sleep in the middle of the night acting unreasonably and irrationally. That doesn't get trending on twitter.

For this prosecuting attorney to outright state a racial component and refuse to produce evidence of such a claim, I find that quite irresponsible and sad. That promotes irresponsible speculation regarding "racial motivations" - information which hasn't been elaborated on thus far - if he can tell us it's racial, he can tell us at least briefly why they have arrived at that conclusion - and this speculation leads to riots and protests that hurt everyday people trying to go to work and school and live their life.
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
jugging is just slang for robbing in any context. literally. the media has no clue about criminal slang & it influences other people who also have no clue. that’s the only point i was making.

it’s also not pronounced like “jug” as in a milk jug. it’s more like joog as in “book”
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Sounds like something from A Clockwork Orange
 
LangfordBarrow said:
Are you thinking of the thread where the black kid missed his school bus and got chased away with a shotgun blast for ringing the wrong doorbell for help?
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Dude had the worst take on Sherdog regarding one of these "self defense" shootings until that mod started shilling for the McMichaels and argued that you have a duty to comply to the demands of crazy armed psychos trying to detain you.
 
oldshadow said:
It's castle doctrine. The only defense if it's a castle doctrine state is to try and convince a jury that the kid was trying to get through the door to attack him. Unless the door showed signs of attempted force which doesn't look like it does per the fact of what they charged him with.

Just from what I'm seeing. The opened the inter door and the kid turned the handle on the outer door as he was opening the inter door. The panicked and shot.
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Dude should go to jail. I said earlier, his actions were reckless beyond belief. He has no duty to retreat but nothing here suggests that the kid's actions were threatening, the kid wasn't even an intruder at the time of the shooting.
 
panamaican said:
Dude should go to jail. I said earlier, his actions were reckless beyond belief. He has no duty to retreat but nothing here suggests that the kid's actions were threatening, the kid wasn't even an intruder at the time of the shooting.
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Yep I agree. I'm not sure but I was just guessing his attorney would try to justify it by saying the kid was trying to get in when he was turning the handle.
 
Does anyone wonder why the kid was opening the door at all? If you knock on a stranger's door in the middle of the night, would you personally reach for a handle and turn the knob - on even a storm door? I only ask because I certainly wouldn't - but it's always possible the kid had recognized how old the guy was and trying to assuage any fears by helping with the door? I don't know, we don't have any more information yet. Curious about everyone's thoughts on that detail.
 
oldshadow said:
Yep I agree. I'm not sure but I was just guessing his attorney would try to justify it by saying the kid was trying to get in when he was turning the handle.
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Yeah, they're going to lean into the idea that the guy, based on age or something else, genuinely feared for his life thus making the first shot legit. Did I read correctly that the homeowner then fired the second shot after the kid was already down? If that's true, that's going to fuck him even worse.
 
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