Crime Ralph Yarl shooting.

KAZSoliloquy said:
jugging just means robbing someone. it’s not some sort of specific type of crime. that’s the white media, who are entirely separate from black people and their culture, pretending to try to understand something they could give a fuck less about.

if you can’t be trusted to not murder an amazon deliverer at your doorstep because you’re worried about “crime” you shouldn’t have a gun.
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It is purse snatching or strong armed robbery, the media is giving it that cute little name to take away from the severity of the crime being committed. Call it what it is not some sugar coated name. The media is being told to downplay criminals act from one group and amp up the coverage on another.
 
Staph infection said:
It is purse snatching or strong armed robbery, the media is giving it that cute little name to take away from the severity of the crime being committed. Call it what it is not some sugar coated name. The media is being told to downplay criminals act from one group and amp up the coverage on another.
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jugging is just slang for robbing in any context. literally. the media has no clue about criminal slang & it influences other people who also have no clue. that’s the only point i was making.

it’s also not pronounced like “jug” as in a milk jug. it’s more like joog as in “book”
 
Homeowner will face 2 felony charges, officials announce
A White 84-year-old homeowner who allegedly shot and wounded Ralph Yarl, a Black teen, after the 16-year-old went to the wrong home to pick up his siblings will face two felony charges, Clay County Prosecuting Attorney Zachary Thompson announced early Monday evening.

Andrew Lester will face charges of assault in the first degree and armed criminal action. Authorities have issued a warrant for his arrest and he’s not currently in custody, Thompson said.

“I can tell you there was a racial component to this case,” Thompson said at a news conference without elaborating.

When asked whether hate crime charges could be added, the prosecutor said that in Missouri, a hate crime is a lower level of felony and adding such charges could constitute double jeopardy. A probable cause document released Monday evening similarly doesn’t shine any light on why authorities believe race played a role in this case.

for the rest:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/17/us/kansas-city-teen-shot-wrong-house/index.html
 
Staph infection said:
Just the pussies with hair triggers right, not lawless maniac terrorizing cities and the media coming up with darling name like jugging for the crimes.
On the surface this look like a very bad situation with a teenager who will have a rough road ahead of him. Hopefully he pulls though but as crime rises more "pussies" as you put it will be quicker to act. No one wants to be the victim of a crime so they will be quicker to go on the offensive. The police say there was a race motivation but gave no further details which is only going to fan the flames. I know they cannot say to much for fear of messing up a criminal case but either give specifics or leave it out of the details for know. So this guy could be an old racist piece of shit and if that is the case, throw the book at him.
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A Very Serious Cat said:
Here is time reporting he entered the house, does anyone actually know what happened yet?

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Local news took quotes from the shooter's report to the police.

- old man went to bed.

- doorbell wrang.

- old man has two doors at his front entrance. A main wooded door and the storm door.

- both doors were locked.

- old man brought his gun with him when he answered the door.

- old man opened the interior door that was locked.

- while old man unlocked and opened the interior door, teenager has his hand on the handle of the exterior storm door.

- old man claimed he thought teenager was trying to break into his home and shot him.


Again, both the interior and exterior doors were locked. So, teenager could not have been in the house. Old man's interview with police state that the teen was not inside the house during the shooting.
 
panamaican said:
Even then it's going to be charged because that's beyond reckless -- what if he missed and hit a passerby? To justify the shooting, the kid would have be trying to break into the house (as perceived by the homeowner). In that case, the homeowner has a better argument. But even then shooting blindly through a door is a deadly force escalation that is going to be hard to sustain, even in a stand your ground state.
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My understanding is that stand your ground was never and is never a @ your home defense, only in public. I'm willing to be corrected though.
 
Fluffernutter said:
Local news took quotes from the shooter's report to the police.

- old man went to bed.

- doorbell wrang.

- old man has two doors at his front entrance. A main wooded door and the storm door.

- both doors were locked.

- old man brought his gun with him when he answered the door.

- old man opened the interior door that was locked.

- while old man unlocked and opened the interior door, teenager has his hand on the handle of the exterior storm door.

- old man claimed he thought teenager was trying to break into his home and shot him.


Again, both the interior and exterior doors were locked. So, teenager could not have been in the house. Old man's interview with police state that the teen was not inside the house during the shooting.
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If a strange person, black or not, is at my back door with their hand on the doorknob, I'd like to think I have the senses to not immediately fire. But, I don't know that I'm legally obligated for him to get inside if I already perceive him as trying to get in, obviously illegally even if unintentional.

USA!USA! said:
Is it true the man who shot him was an 80 year old?

Sad. I hope the kid survives. Some people in this country are truly sick in the head. A normal person doesn't shoot a teenager for knocking on their door/ringing their doorbell. That is not normal defensive behavior. This perp wanted to kill someone.
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Wait I'm confused. Is this the front door or back door?

I also don't know if I give a little more leniency to someone who's 80 in terms of reasonable fear. I guess I have to see the details examined a little more closely. It's hard to justify shooting someone through your door for simply having their hand on a doorknob. Back door I give a little more leniency. I guess I'll read up more, I may be misinformed.
 
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Eat My Teep said:
If a strange person, black or not, is at my back door with their hand on the doorknob, I'd like to think I have the senses to not immediately fire. But, I don't know that I'm legally obligated for him to get inside if I already perceive him as trying to get in, obviously illegally even if unintentional.
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The point of my post was to give some clarification regarding TIME's conflicting headlines regarding if the teen had entered the house or not.
 
Siver! said:
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Here is the mutant.

"He heard rustling around going on in the house and then finally the door was open," lawyer Lee Merritt told NBC News.

"And he was confronted by a man who told him, 'Don't come back around here,' and then he immediately fired his weapon."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65307047

This piece of shit won't just serve time in jail; he'll burn in Hell.
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Never seen someone that old without grey hair. At 84 I would normally question his mental capacity to know what the fuck is going on, but if he is still with it enough to dye his hair to look cool then he probably should have known that shooting someone for ringing his doorbell was a bad move.
 
nostradumbass said:
With Ben Crump involved, it's unlikely that is what actually happened, and obviously there is already a gofundme. If all the kid did was knock and stood there and the guy just started blasting, he should obviously face charges, but it's a bit trickier if there was no answer, and the kid started prowling around in the windows. The guy who lives there doesn't know he was looking for someone else's house, all he would see is someone he doesn't know prowling around his house at night. I guess we'll find out.
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Sure, except he shot the kid through the front door..like he didn’t even open the door...and not “scouting the perimeter”.

This is a case of being too much of a pussy to own a gun.
 
Eat My Teep said:
My understanding is that stand your ground was never and is never a @ your home defense, only in public. I'm willing to be corrected though.
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castle doctrine basically touches all the same bases. it’s really the same shit. say you were scared for your life or your belongings and you can shoot people.
 
Fluffernutter said:
Local news took quotes from the shooter's report to the police.

- old man went to bed.

- doorbell wrang.

- old man has two doors at his front entrance. A main wooded door and the storm door.

- both doors were locked.

- old man brought his gun with him when he answered the door.

- old man opened the interior door that was locked.

- while old man unlocked and opened the interior door, teenager has his hand on the handle of the exterior storm door.

- old man claimed he thought teenager was trying to break into his home and shot him.


Again, both the interior and exterior doors were locked. So, teenager could not have been in the house. Old man's interview with police state that the teen was not inside the house during the shooting.
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Joshuaace said:
Time is wrong. According to the DA, the Teen was shot through a glass door and never crossed the threshold of that doorway.
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Sounds like he fucked up then
 
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