Opinion Radical left vs Radical Right poll

[Kandyland]

Are you being sarcastic? There are too many stupid posters in the WR that it’s hard to tell the difference between sarcasm and stupidity.

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[Allosaurus Fragillis]

I have to disagree with you here. Centrist position gets society into the least trouble. You aren't defending the radical fringes on the left or right are you? Or are you saying we have to look at situational perspectives? Here is a situational perspective: slavery was in itself radical. Abolishing it is the norm. Centrist is the way to go for normal discourse, level headedness and open to learning.

Well I am a socialist, so I am going to defend the radical fringe on the left, since I'm part of it. With that being said, I'm not saying that centrism isn't the right way to go under certain circumstances. I'm a centrist on the issue of abortion and guns for example. But sometimes the radical option is the only answer to societal problems. You realize that the centrist position in the 1800s was that the states should have been allowed to decide if they wanted to allow slavery or not, right? If you were alive back then, you would have been one of those "states rights" people who argued that the slave abolitionists were too extreme, too "radical", and if you believed in freedom and democracy then states should be allowed to have slave if wanted them.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Wait...and please correct me if I'm not understanding you here:

Leftists can condemn those who have committed atrocities or caused great suffering as "deviants" from what true leftism is.

But...

Rightists cannot condemn fascists or those who commit atrocities that are on the fringe right because...that's the point of rightism? So anyone who considers themselves "far right" (BTW that's not me for the record, I'm just interested in your take) and is not actually committing the atrocities you speak of...is doing it wrong?

Gotta admit, that's a new one that I've not heard.

People can condemn whoever they want, the fact is, right wing thought inextricably involves exclusion, expulsion, segregation, and/or the superiority-inferiority of groups. Left wing thought aims for the opposite (hence the right endlessly accusing leftists of being naive for wanting things to be equal)

In the first half of the 20th century- when the extremes of the extremes took place- this became evident. The Nazi atrocities came straight from the concept of "living space" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum), from Mein Kampf, and from Goebbels' stated, official goals.

Maoist and Stalinist atrocities aren't a product of anything inherently left wing. Political repression and civil war aren't right or left wing ideas. You won't find any work from Mao or Stalin themselves that states or even suggests "Eliminate your political opponents and anyone close to them."

 

[Source]

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[Ares Black]

Lol at anyone picking the radical left.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

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[Social Distance Warrior]

Lol at anyone picking the radical left.

Let's try you. let's see if you're willing to answer this simple question.

aroudn 11/3 and 11/4 when businesses and homes were boarding up all across the country in case of a post election fall out...

do you that was in preparation for groups like #BLM and #ANTIFA?

or groups like Proud boys or boogaloos

 

[Kandyland]

Lol at anyone picking the radical left.

66% think otherwise. Looks like you're in the minority.

 

[Ares Black]

Let's try you. let's see if you're willing to answer this simple question.

aroudn 11/3 and 11/4 when businesses and homes were boarding up all across the country in case of a post election fall out...

do you that was in preparation for groups like #BLM and #ANTIFA?

or groups like Proud boys or boogaloos

Yep, a lot of people sure bought into Trump's propaganda.

The reality is much different.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...-plots-have-outnumbered-far-left-ones-in-2020

 

[Ares Black]

66% think otherwise. Looks like you're in the minority.

Yeah, those people are dumb.

 

[My Spot]

Are you being sarcastic? There are too many stupid posters in the WR that it’s hard to tell the difference between sarcasm and stupidity.

Look at the past 3 decades on that chart.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Yep, a lot of people sure bought into Trump's propaganda.

The reality is much different.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...-plots-have-outnumbered-far-left-ones-in-2020

you are the doing the very same thing several leftists in this thread have done.

we aren't talking ONLY about terrorist plots/attacks.

we are talking about ALL politically motivated violence.

again, the question stands...

around 11/3 and 11/4 when businesses and homes were boarding up all across the country in case of a post election fall out...

do you that was in preparation for groups like #BLM and #ANTIFA?

or groups like Proud boys or boogaloos

 

[mmafan2000]

Well I am a socialist, so I am going to defend the radical fringe on the left, since I'm part of it. With that being said, I'm not saying that centrism isn't the right way to go under certain circumstances. I'm a centrist on the issue of abortion and guns for example. But sometimes the radical option is the only answer to societal problems. You realize that the centrist position in the 1800s was that the states should have been allowed to decide if they wanted to allow slavery or not, right? If you were alive back then, you would have been one of those "states rights" people who argued that the slave abolitionists were too extreme, too "radical", and if you believed in freedom and democracy then states should be allowed to have slave if wanted them.

In this day and age, when you turn radical, people turn off and don't listen. Right? You don't have to be a socialist and defend radicalism. Many countries like Canada and Europe have implemented socialist policies and have a high standard of living with healthcare and equality. Radicals on both sides are ignored. Be an example, not a problem. Im a centrist and I agree with many of your points. But when you become radical, I'll go the other way. Same with radicals on the right, I go the other way.

 

[Jack V Savage]

People don't have a wildly inaccurate view of what happened.

People who think that there was widespread, coordinated violence certainly do.

The 93% figure is attacked because its absurd and irrelevant - we are specifically talking about the violent protests, and you try to dismiss them by pointing to the fact that even more non violent ones occurred.

A fact cannot be absurd. And the fact that there was no widespread coordinated violence is relevant to the claim that there was widespread, coordinated violence. The 7% of protests that had any violence at all were still not "violent protests" in that they were protests in which some level of violence broke out, generally involving a tiny fraction of the participants. And, as noted, the violence was generally two-way.

You cannot excuse the fact that in almost every major city in the country there were riots that resulted in billions of dollars of damage simply by saying there were a lot of people who didn't riot.

I'm not trying to excuse any facts. I'm trying to get a correct handle on the facts. You are also significantly overstating your case here (in addition to expanding the definition of violence to include non-violent property damage). Estimates are that $1B-$2B of damage was done collectively throughout the nation. Certainly nothing like billions of dollars in almost every major city. There were protests in every major city, but only a couple saw notable damage, and I don't think any individually saw over a billion, much less billions of dollars.

We were originally talking about data showing that most political violence comes from the right, and I challenged you that that is largely because the type of political violence that gets tracked is the type largely committed by the right. Can you find any data that includes and tracks the type of violence largely committed by left wingers like these riots? And perhaps a dollar comparison of the effect on the economy and cost to the taxpayer?

My initial point was that the right fears people who are mostly just being happy and doing their own thing, while the left tyranny and state-sponsored slaughter. Then someone claimed that there is also violence from the left to worry about. I noted that random looting is hardly political violence and that political violence overwhelmingly comes from the right also. You then acknowledged that most politically motivated murder comes from the right but thought that we should include non-violent civil disobedience (blocking access) and property damage in the definition, and that that mostly comes from the left. Which is possible, though I don't have a handy source of information on that.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Well...that's three people come and gone without the ability to answer a simple question and all of whom pulled the "well, wait..what about terrorist plots!!??"

It's almost as if they are all reading from the same script.

 

[Jack V Savage]

dont' get me wrong...both are terrible.

and I'm wasn't even attempting to turn this into a "who is better at mass murder/genocide" debate. I was merely addressing a factual inaccuracy.

however, some need to turn everything in a partisan debate.

It's crazy how people are turning a discussion about whether the radical left is worse than the radical left into a left/right debate. Have they no shame?

 

[Ares Black]

you are the doing the very same thing several leftists in this thread have done.

we aren't talking ONLY about terrorist plots/attacks.

we are talking about ALL politically motivated violence.

again, the question stands...

around 11/3 and 11/4 when businesses and homes were boarding up all across the country in case of a post election fall out...

do you that was in preparation for groups like #BLM and #ANTIFA?

or groups like Proud boys or boogaloos

Black Lives Matter and Antifa have legitimate concerns. Proud Boys and Boogaloos are just fucking assholes.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Well...that's three people come and gone without the ability to answer a simple question and all of whom pulled the "well, wait..what about terrorist plots!!??"

It's almost as if they are all reading from the same script.

Or like your attempt to change the subject is transparent.

 

[mmafan2000]

Well...that's three people come and gone without the ability to answer a simple question and all of whom pulled the "well, wait..what about terrorist plots!!??"

It's almost as if they are all reading from the same script.

What was the question? Maybe I can try to answer it.

 

[Ares Black]

Well...that's three people come and gone without the ability to answer a simple question and all of whom pulled the "well, wait..what about terrorist plots!!??"

It's almost as if they are all reading from the same script.

It's almost as if they are trying to answer the actual question of the thread.

All extremists are assholes, but right-wing extremists are far worse for the country.