Opinion Radical left vs Radical Right poll

[Sisyphos]

Both "radical left" and "radical right" in America serve same masters.
The antifa are not real communists, and the neocons are not real conservatives...
Seriously, reading the description of both groups in OP just shows the stupidity of many Americans.
Many things on both sides these people believe are borderline idiotic.

IE: For some reason, an "antifascist" finds it normal to take a highly racialised position such as supporting a Black Nationalist group (BLM) and attacking "the White patriarchy". I mean what they're doing flies against what Marxism used to stand for (such as race being a tool of the capitalist to divide people).

And then on the "conservative" side, you have people that want to restrict immigration but by the same token, have no problem with wars in the middle east which indirectly cause migrant streams (ie: Downfall of Qadafi regime in Libya/Africa).

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

As expected, this source is only looking at one type of political violence - murders. No one sensible disputes that most political shootings or bombings are done by right wingers. But those aren't the only types of violence. Assaulting people at protests is another. Setting businesses on fire is another. Throwing rocks and other hard, dense objects at police is another. Physically blocking people from going to a campaign event is another. When it comes to this type of violence, it comes from the left and occurs on a scale that is orders of magnitude more frequent than any type of right wing violence. During the BLM riots this summer, there were violent attacks in almost every major American city. Can you point to a time in the last 50 years where there was widespread, coordinated violence committed by right wingers?

 

[Iron Nick]

Well I'm a socialist, so I am a radical leftist by most people's standards. So obviously I believe the radical right is worse. The radical left just wants to give everyone healthcare and a job that pays a living wage. As well as food in their mouths and a roof over their heads when they sleep.
Meanwhile the radical right is comprised of climate change deniers, Covid deniers, anti-vaxxers, young Earth creationists, flat Earthers, racists, homophobess, transphobes, xenophobes, anti-Semites, Qanoners, white nationalists, and Neo-Nazis who believe that the Democrats are controlled by a cabal of communist Satanists who drink the blood of babies, and the radical right wants to get rid of democracy and make Donald Trump god-emperor for life. So I think it should be obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that the far-right is far worse.

 

[Jack V Savage]

As expected, this source is only looking at one type of political violence - murders. No one sensible disputes that most political shootings or bombings are done by right wingers.

Is that even true? @Social Distance Warrior, do you acknowledge that political murders are overwhelmingly committed by rightists?

But those aren't the only types of violence. Assaulting people at protests is another. Setting businesses on fire is another. Throwing rocks and other hard, dense objects at police is another.

Likewise, I'd consider cops indiscriminately attacking protesters (which there is also a lot of video of) to be examples of political violence. And flare-ups at protests are questionably categorized as political violence (and further, they generally involve protesters against counterprotesters).

Physically blocking people from going to a campaign event is another. When it comes to this type of violence, it comes from the left and occurs on a scale that is orders of magnitude more frequent than any type of right wing violence. During the BLM riots this summer, there were violent attacks in almost every major American city. Can you point to a time in the last 50 years where there was widespread, coordinated violence committed by right wingers?

A lot of rightists went to BLM protests to start trouble, and it's not accurate to call protests widespread coordinated violence, especially given the oft-attacked finding that 93% of protests had no incidents of violence. This is how people are manipulated, though. You have a huge numbers of protests that are overwhelmingly peaceful, but the numbers are large enough to produce a fair amount of video, and then that is used to give people a wildly inaccurate sense of what happened. Similar to the video I posted of the best baseball player to come around in a quite some time striking out a lot.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

As expected, this source is only looking at one type of political violence - murders. No one sensible disputes that most political shootings or bombings are done by right wingers. But those aren't the only types of violence. Assaulting people at protests is another. Setting businesses on fire is another. Throwing rocks and other hard, dense objects at police is another. Physically blocking people from going to a campaign event is another. When it comes to this type of violence, it comes from the left and occurs on a scale that is orders of magnitude more frequent than any type of right wing violence. During the BLM riots this summer, there were violent attacks in almost every major American city. Can you point to a time in the last 50 years where there was widespread, coordinated violence committed by right wingers?

great post and this is is specifically the type of dishonesty we see from many on the left.

it's the equivalent of saying, "most serial killers are white. therefore most murders in America are committed by white people." they are taking one type of specific violence, and applying it to all violence.

you will see many here cite the statistic that "White extremists have committed the most acts of 'domestic terror'".

ok...sure. but again, this is dwarfed by the level of other forms of political violence we see in this country by the left.

 

[Mcountry]

The radical right is a meme nobody takes seriously

The radical left gets to change fucking definition of words, control our language. Control our education. Indoctinrate our students. Riots for months without challenge.
I mean...ya. sure. Let's worry about white supremacists...like they have the power to do anything.

 

[TrueBias]

The poll represents what anyone with a right mind would think, but yet, there are droves of people happy about biden being a projected winner.

 

[mmafan2000]

It is very telling of the type of person that thinks social justice warriors are worse that social injustice warriors.

Really, social injustice warriors? Or just reacting to governments that want open boarders (Europe) and if you say there are only 2 genders you get fired. It depends on the situation.

 

[mmafan2000]

This is the extreme left the right is afraid of:

And this is the extreme right that the left is afraid of:

Best red herring argument in this tread. Right back at you, this is the extreme left the right is afraid of:

 

[Allosaurus Fragillis]

You gotta understand that radicals are equally bad. Thats why it has radical in its name. Life is best when it has equilibrium

What a fucking low IQ take. Any major change to the status quo is by definition radical. The abolishment of slavery, for example, was considered extremely radical at the time. Your black and white view of "radicals bad, moderates good" is way too overly simplistic and it lacks any sort of nuance. It's 4th grader logic. But then, I guess I should aspect nothing less from an "enlightened" centrist.

 

[jimbob27]

The US civil war was the closest America ever came to destruction.

Sure it's easy to make jokes about the far right larpers, but I think there's far more possibility of them uniting and actually becoming a threat to the US, compared to anything on the left.

The far left is represented by angry college girls with brains frazzled from too much hair dye. Those kind of people are an annoyance, not a threat.

 

[blaseblah]

great post and this is is specifically the type of dishonesty we see from many on the left.

it's the equivalent of saying, "most serial killers are white. therefore most murders in America are committed by white people." they are taking one type of specific violence, and applying it to all violence.

you will see many here cite the statistic that "White extremists have committed the most acts of 'domestic terror'".

ok...sure. but again, this is dwarfed by the level of other forms of political violence we see in this country by the left.

The dishonesty I see from you and others on the right is blaming any and all violence that happens on the streets on the left without looking into who the perpetrators are. Of course there are left wingers out there committing violence. But there are also anarchists, boogaloo boys and other extremists groups, random homeless people, gang bangers, etc.

I remember some random mentally ill homeless dude was going around setting fires near Seattle and it was immediately blamed on the left. A gangbanger murdered David Dorn and it was blamed on the left. Two cops were shot and murdered by Boogaloo boys and it was blamed on the left.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

you might want to fact check that.

Stalin killed far more...
and the death count under the "cultural Revolution" in China is estimated to be as high as 20 million.

Except that eliminating other is a textbook part of the Nazi right. The concept of lebensraum and the necessity to take over foreign lands, expelling the natives there, had been a mainstream idea within the right for decades prior to WWII. Goebbels' idea of exterminating Jews was a stated goal.

Meanwhile, the violence of the Cultural Revolution was akin to a civil war. Civil wars have no political ideology.

In other words:

The atrocities of the far-left: A criminal deviation of leftist thought

The atrocities of the far-right: Exactly the POINT of rightist though

 

[mmafan2000]

What a fucking low IQ take. Any major change to the status quo is by definition radical. The abolishment of slavery, for example, was considered extremely radical at the time. Your black and white view of "radicals bad, moderates good" is way too overly simplistic and it lacks any sort of nuance. It's 4th grader logic. But then, I guess I should aspect nothing less from an "enlightened" centrist.

I have to disagree with you here. Centrist position gets society into the least trouble. You aren't defending the radical fringes on the left or right are you? Or are you saying we have to look at situational perspectives? Here is a situational perspective: slavery was in itself radical. Abolishing it is the norm. Centrist is the way to go for normal discourse, level headedness and open to learning.

 

[My Spot]

great post and this is is specifically the type of dishonesty we see from many on the left.

it's the equivalent of saying, "most serial killers are white. therefore most murders in America are committed by white people." they are taking one type of specific violence, and applying it to all violence.

you will see many here cite the statistic that "White extremists have committed the most acts of 'domestic terror'".

ok...sure. but again, this is dwarfed by the level of other forms of political violence we see in this country by the left.

Majority of serial killers are black.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

The dishonesty I see from you and others on the right is blaming any and all violence that happens on the streets on the left without looking into who the perpetrators are. Of course there are left wingers out there committing violence. But there are also anarchists, boogaloo boys and other extremists groups, random homeless people, gang bangers, etc.

I remember some random mentally ill homeless dude was going around setting fires near Seattle and it was immediately blamed on the left. A gangbanger murdered David Dorn and it was blamed on the left. Two cops were shot and murdered by Boogaloo boys and it was blamed on the left.

I have stated any and all. I have said most/majority/predominately.

and this, as we can see of areas of Portland, Philadelphia, NYC is accurate.

do you believe it to be homeless folk and "boogaloo" boys in Portand who have been rioting for 130 days straight?
(I doubt you will answer this question, but maybe you'll surprise me.)

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Majority of serial killers are black.

I kind of grew out of my serial killer phase so admittedly I haven't looked at the recent stats on this.

I was just just this to illustrate my point.

that many leftists here employ a dishonest method of argumentation by applying one type of crime, as an all encompassing type of crime.

 

[Oxycodone]

Or are you saying we have to look at situational perspectives? Here is a situational perspective: slavery was in itself radical. Abolishing it is the norm.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Best red herring argument in this tread. Right back at you, this is the extreme left the right is afraid of:

People walking around in a fire? Also, "red herring" doesn't mean what you seem to think it does.

great post and this is is specifically the type of dishonesty we see from many on the left.

it's the equivalent of saying, "most serial killers are white. therefore most murders in America are committed by white people." they are taking one type of specific violence, and applying it to all violence.

you will see many here cite the statistic that "White extremists have committed the most acts of 'domestic terror'".

ok...sure. but again, this is dwarfed by the level of other forms of political violence we see in this country by the left.

What would it take for you to question the rightist narrative on this one? Is there any evidence at all to back up your assertions? Serious question because I haven't seen any. Note that just calling people who disagree with you "dishonest" is not evidence that you're right.

 

[Kandyland]

The atrocities of the far-right: Exactly the POINT of rightist though

LOL. Rightist "though"? Though what?



You're not the brightest.