Opinion Radical left vs Radical Right poll

Which do you think is worse for American society as a whole?

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mmafan2000 said:
Would it be fair to say if the US was more like Canada it would be better off? Sorry quick digression from the original post, though I'd mention why canada may be better and the US needs to copy it to prevent the rise of radicals.

Canada has:
  • No socially disruptive radicals
  • Multi parties
  • Healthcare for all
  • no systemic racism (yes, there is none, if you say there is you are a just causing problems for no reason and please go away).
  • tighter gun control with hardly any gun violence compared to the US
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In theory, yes. But I won't pretend like the USA with 300 million people and a very cowboy wild west history could ever adopt our smaller model.

We don't really have multi parties. It's the same up here. We have the red liberals and the blue conservatives. The third option the orange NDP never really comes close to winning federally but I guess they are still a breath of fresh air from a two party system. Plus to be fair, they do hold some power when it comes to negotiating things in parliament since they can ally with one of the other two parties.

Our healthcare is good, but has a lot of holes in it. With that being said we are light-years ahead of the caveman USA in this regard.

While we do not have systematic racism like America, we do have it in doses. Nobody speaks about it, but Natives are not treated fairly up here. They are a people and they exist.
 
mkess101 said:
But whether or not Mao or Stalin put it in writing or their "works", their actions were all about eliminating their opponents. Stalin filled the gulags with them, and Mao's great leap forward included forced starvation of entire regions he deemed not loyal to him. The fact that they didn't write out a blueprint stating it seems...arbitrary on every imaginable level.
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How can it be arbitrary when a comparison of ideologies is the very nature of this discussion? The title of this thread is "Radical left vs Radical right," not "Let's see which historical villain is worse"

I don't think we'll be in any major disagreement that Hitler, Goebbels, Stalin and Mao were all hideous monsters. The difference is in the ideologies that fueled their crimes.

No matter how much it hurts your sensibilities, the right relies on hierarchy, exclusion, and inequality. When taken to an extreme, this results in all the Nazi atrocities, Jim Crow, Apartheid, and all the worst things in human history.
 
Sketch said:
It's an art form. I can't explain it. The game over here is to out-polite the next person.
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While in the back of your mind being confident of starching anybody in a fist fight if the polite shit goes south.

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Natural Order said:
LOL @ you arguing for the sake of arguing.

As if we all didn't know that this is how Trump would go out on an L. You think there's some real possibility of a doofus like Trump turning America into a dictatorship on the way out? Gimme a break mate.

Trump's harmless as fuck. This is all nothing but a three ring circus and you're driving the clown car.
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I understand that the rightist line on this is that it's just him acting up and throwing a tantrum, but it is until it isn't, unless it fails. A huge portion of the right is behind the effort. I'd bet on the country surviving this latest attack, but it's not for sure, and unless we see big changes on the right, our democracy and political freedoms will not last long.
 
Sketch said:
In theory, yes. But I won't pretend like the USA with 300 million people and a very cowboy wild west history could ever adopt our smaller model.

We don't really have multi parties. It's the same up here. We have the red liberals and the blue conservatives. The third option the orange NDP never really comes close to winning federally but I guess they are still a breath of fresh air from a two party system. Plus to be fair, they do hold some power when it comes to negotiating things in parliament since they can ally with one of the other two parties.

Our healthcare is good, but has a lot of holes in it. With that being said we are light-years ahead of the caveman USA in this regard.

While we do not have systematic racism like America, we do have it in doses. Nobody speaks about it, but Natives are not treated fairly up here. They are a people and they exist.
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Yeah, we are much more polite with our racism, but Canada has a shockingly racist history.
 
Jack V Savage said:
I understand that the rightist line on this is that it's just him acting up and throwing a tantrum, but it is until it isn't, unless it fails. A huge portion of the right is behind the effort. I'd bet on the country surviving this latest attack, but it's not for sure, and unless we see big changes on the right, our democracy and political freedoms will not last long.
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LOL
 
Ares Black said:
Yeah, we are much more polite with our racism, but Canada has a shockingly racist history.
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Sure, but so does everyone. Doesn't excuse it, but that's just how it was 150 years ago etc. With that being said, Canada is alarmingly accepting and is ahead of the curve in terms of integrating people from every race and culture. Look at Toronto, most multicultural city on the planet and people legit get along. Even the criminals overall have no issues, it's unheard of world wide.
 
Possum Jenkins said:
How can it be arbitrary when a comparison of ideologies is the very nature of this discussion? The title of this thread is "Radical left vs Radical right," not "Let's see which historical villain is worse"

I don't think we'll be in any major disagreement that Hitler, Goebbels, Stalin and Mao were all hideous monsters. The difference is in the ideologies that fueled their crimes.

No matter how much it hurts your sensibilities, the right relies on hierarchy, exclusion, and inequality. When taken to an extreme, this results in all the Nazi atrocities, Jim Crow, Apartheid, and all the worst things in human history.
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Arbitrary in that Mao or Stalin didn't pen their ideological fuel onto paper before committing said atrocities is what I was saying. Mao and Stalin were both communists. You can say they had extremely warped views of communism, (I wouldn't even disagree), but communists none the less. Which is an extreme leftist position. They committed many of their atrocities with the justification of protecting "the party", so I don't think it's unreasonable to associate their behavior with extreme leftism any more than it is to associate the Nazis with extreme rightism.

Or is your view that communism is not actually an extreme leftists ideology? I want to make sure I'm not making assumptions about your views here that are incorrect.
 
Jack V Savage said:
I understand that the rightist line on this is that it's just him acting up and throwing a tantrum, but it is until it isn't, unless it fails. A huge portion of the right is behind the effort. I'd bet on the country surviving this latest attack, but it's not for sure, and unless we see big changes on the right, our democracy and political freedoms will not last long.
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The right is a joke to be certain, but your hyperbole about Herr Trump is pretty absurd....

It's like the world was putting up with a shitty babysit for four years. The guy literally did nothing of note during his term.

The bigger concern, politically and socially, is tempering the fanaticism on both sides of the ideological spectrum. It's at ludicrous levels from both sides right now. Adults need to prevail.
 
Possum Jenkins said:
How can it be arbitrary when a comparison of ideologies is the very nature of this discussion? The title of this thread is "Radical left vs Radical right," not "Let's see which historical villain is worse"

I don't think we'll be in any major disagreement that Hitler, Goebbels, Stalin and Mao were all hideous monsters. The difference is in the ideologies that fueled their crimes.

No matter how much it hurts your sensibilities, the right relies on hierarchy, exclusion, and inequality. When taken to an extreme, this results in all the Nazi atrocities, Jim Crow, Apartheid, and all the worst things in human history.
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Why are you conveniently leaving out the extremely vile tendencies that have identified themselves through collectivism? Why are we not talking about the fact that extreme left ideology has wiped out like 5000% more people in the last 150 years than anything related to right-wing philosophy?
 
Sketch said:
Sure, but so does everyone. Doesn't excuse it, but that's just how it was 150 years ago etc. With that being said, Canada is alarmingly accepting and is ahead of the curve in terms of integrating people from every race and culture. Look at Toronto, most multicultural city on the planet and people legit get along. Even the criminals overall have no issues, it's unheard of world wide.
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Residential schools were a shameful part of Canada's history, and the last one closed in 1996.
 
Sketch said:
In theory, yes. But I won't pretend like the USA with 300 million people and a very cowboy wild west history could ever adopt our smaller model.

We don't really have multi parties. It's the same up here. We have the red liberals and the blue conservatives. The third option the orange NDP never really comes close to winning federally but I guess they are still a breath of fresh air from a two party system. Plus to be fair, they do hold some power when it comes to negotiating things in parliament since they can ally with one of the other two parties.

Our healthcare is good, but has a lot of holes in it. With that being said we are light-years ahead of the caveman USA in this regard.

While we do not have systematic racism like America, we do have it in doses. Nobody speaks about it, but Natives are not treated fairly up here. They are a people and they exist.
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Ok, I agree with this assessment. But the US has to try, this cowboy thing is getting old and useless at some point.

(Side note: About natives though, Canadians pay taxes through the nose and a lot goes to the natives. Even new immigrants have to pay for the natives. Plus no one alive in Canada was part of the British empire in 1537 that took the land through treaties. So...I have a genius solution. The money natives get needs to be cut off slowly and reinvested into their education programs so they can get employment and lifted from poverty. Then they get first pick in the job market. Do you like my idea? It's in everyone's interest. Throwing money at a black hole in perpetuity is ridiculous. Would you want to work if you had free money?)
 
Natural Order said:
The right is a joke to be certain, but your hyperbole about Herr Trump is pretty absurd....

It's like the world was putting up with a shitty babysit for four years. The guy literally did nothing of note during his term.

The bigger concern, politically and socially, is tempering the fanaticism on both sides of the ideological spectrum. It's at ludicrous levels from both sides right now. Adults need to prevail.
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What hyperbole? I'm just stating facts. He actually is still claiming that he won an election that he lost by a pretty big margin. That's happening. The fact that he's fighting it ineptly is maybe somewhat encouraging, but it's not something to just dismiss. And the fact that most of his party is going along with it should be extremely concerning to anyone who believes in political freedom and democracy (ditto for the fact that some people claim to be as concerned about random protesters as they are about the president trying to overthrow democracy). Like I said, now that we know Republicans are mostly OK with dictatorship, it seems like it's just a matter of time before the constitution falls. Just need someone who isn't a lazy moron in there fighting against democracy.
 
Benjamin Burton said:
Lol no the radical right is too American
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No, the radical right is all about taking away other people's rights and stopping immigration.

The United States is built by immigrants and values freedom above all else.
 
They are both straight trash. If you can't see this then you are partaisn hack.
 
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