Opinion Radical left vs Radical Right poll

[Legicato]

Look at all those damn far right looters. its clear as day they are surely republican voters.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

No, I'm aware that there is irrational fear stoked by outlets like Breitbart. But that doesn't change the facts. Do you understand? This is stuff that is measured, and the data simply does not back up rightist propaganda.

no what?

it was a very simple question.

I didn't cite breitbart, nor have I ever.

again, who do you think these businesses were boarding up for? if you can't answer this question let's move on.

 

[Jack V Savage]

it's more like this:

SDW" the radical left is far more violent and destructive than the the far right. here are countless videos and estimate of the property damage this nation as incurred in the last 7 months."

Jack: Oh yea?? well...Donald Trump hasn't conceded yet!!

Er, no (very dishonest characterization of the argument). I said that data on political violence shows that most of it comes from the right (and that's a long-term trend). You don't seem to get the point I was making by showing the Trout video. Mike Trout strikes out a lot. He hits balls weakly. He makes errors. Showing that doesn't mean that he's worse than anyone in particular. There are countless videos of it. To know how good he is relative to another player, you have to look at the stats.

And it's not just that Trump hasn't conceded. He's actively fighting to overturn democracy. You don't think that's more dangerous than some random looter? He's the president. The fact that you and other people sweep what's going on under the rug is what makes it so dangerous.

 

[Oxycodone]

no what?

it was a very simple question.

I didn't cite breitbart, nor have I ever.

again, who do you think these businesses were boarding up for? if you can't answer this question let's move on.

This is a subjective suggestion to speculate with absolutely no basis in fact, whether provable or disprovable. If this were an actual debate, no one would answer it either.

 

[Jack V Savage]

no what?

it was a very simple question.

I didn't cite breitbart, nor have I ever.

again, who do you think these businesses were boarding up for? if you can't answer this question let's move on.

Who cares, though? That's a dishonest argument tactic to begin with. You know that most political violence in America comes from the right. You've seen the links. You're just trying to change the subject because you don't have the integrity to admit that you were wrong. You also know that the right is actively trying to undermine freedom and democracy in America, but because you share an affinity with them, you think it's OK.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Doubt that was shown on MSM nightly news

 

[Jack V Savage]

Trump stepped over the line if he asked legislates to change their electors, but no one has a secret police force or control of the military and Trump was cleared of coordinating with Russia - maybe you forgot the actual outcome of that investigation.

Meanwhile we have the radical left asking to defund the police - which would bring us closer to either a true dystopian society or a "wild west" society; we have calls to make lists of those who supported Trump so that they can be properly shunned and punished; calls to normalize children in drag dancing on stage for gay men; calls to violence (smash the fasc) to stop voices that are ideologically opposed to their view; calls to ban "inappropriate" literature; etc.

Face it Jack, the radical left is what the radical right was in the early 1900s just minus the racism.

"I've heard the facts before, and I don't care" is basically what you're saying, no? The investigation didn't clear Trump of coordinating with Russia. In fact, it's because of the investigation that we know that he was sharing private information with them to help maximize the impact of the stolen data. And we know that he was aware of the hacking before it was made public because of the investigation. You're just OK with it because the victims are people you perceive as being your enemies and because the upshot of the attacks on democracy is that people you perceive as being in your tribe will have more power.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

This is a subjective suggestion to speculate with absolutely no basis in fact, whether provable or disprovable. If this were an actual debate, no one would answer it either.

LOL. There weren't any mobs of conservative busting up and looting stores.

 

[Jack V Savage]

This is a subjective suggestion to speculate with absolutely no basis in fact, whether provable or disprovable. If this were an actual debate, no one would answer it either.

It feels true to these guys because they watch carefully selected videos so fuck the facts and rational analysis. It's sad to see what the right in America has become.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

This is a subjective suggestion to speculate with absolutely no basis in fact, whether provable or disprovable. If this were an actual debate, no one would answer it either.

subjective how so?

have you seen a group of Proud boys engage in similar behavior, or some MAGA hat wearing folks loot a local Nikes or attack police officers?

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Who cares, though? That's a dishonest argument tactic to begin with. You know that most political violence in America comes from the right. You've seen the links. You're just trying to change the subject because you don't have the integrity to admit that you were wrong. You also know that the right is actively trying to undermine freedom and democracy in America, but because you share an affinity with them, you think it's OK.

I figured you would take this approach.

again, if you can't discuss this topic honestly please don't waste my time. we're done here.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Doubt that was shown on MSM nightly news

there is a lot they don't show.

 

[Oxycodone]

subjective how so?

have you seen a group of Proud boys engage in similar behavior, or some MAGA hat wearing folks loot a local Nikes or attack police officers?

That's not a question someone can answer factually. It's speculative. No matter how one answers, there is no way to receive it as fact.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

This is a subjective suggestion to speculate with absolutely no basis in fact, whether provable or disprovable. If this were an actual debate, no one would answer it either.

It's only subjective to those whom are debating in bad faith and laud Partisan loyalty over facts and data.

again, the politically motivated violence comes heavily from one side. if we can't be honest about this, then this conversation is pointless.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I figured you would take this approach.

again, if you can't discuss this topic honestly please don't waste my time. we're done here.

I am discussing the topic honestly. You're just too fragile to acknowledge that it's even possible to question the rightist narrative. But I've linked you to stats and analysis on the subject so you should be aware of your error.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

That's not a question someone can answer factually. It's speculative. No matter how one answers, there is no way to receive it as fact.

ok...let's try this.

what political leanings would you say the people who have attacked police officers, been rioting in POrtand for 130 days straight, and looting businesses all over have...do you think they lean left? or lean right?

simple question. let's see if you answer.

 

[Jack V Savage]

It's only subjective to those whom are debating in bad faith and laud Partisan loyalty over facts and data.

Serious question here: What do you understand "data" to mean? You're ignoring facts and data and saying "der, I saw these videos, and that proves that the data is all wrong." It's exactly like the point I made with the Trout video.

 

[Jack V Savage]

ok...let's try this.

what political leanings would you say the people who have attacked police officers, been rioting in POrtand for 130 days straight, and looting businesses all over have...do you think they lean left? or lean right?

simple question. let's see if you answer.

This is the same dishonest tactic you were using before. You're trying to distract from the data by asking leading questions. What's your explanation for why the data doesn't match your intuition?

Just Google the issue:

https://www.google.com/search?q=doe...i57j33i160.10063j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Your approach could prove many things that are not true. "Country X has more murder than Country Y? Oh yeah? Here's a long list of cases of murder in Country Y."

 

[Oxycodone]

LOL. There weren't any mobs of conservative busting up and looting stores.

That is not the only form of politically motivated violence.

ok...let's try this.

what political leanings would you say the people who have attacked police officers, been rioting in POrtand for 130 days straight, and looting businesses all over have...do you think they lean left? or lean right?

simple question. let's see if you answer.

If I answered right-wing, what would you say? You would simply just say "nuh uh" or ignore it. And it would be just as valid an answer as any. You're not asking a question that, no matter the answer, has any factual basis or statistics to support it.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Putting aside any political biases or even the particulars of this argument, it should be obvious to everyone that SDW's approach is really dumb. You can't refute data showing that X happens more than Y by showing that Y happens sometimes or by asking "Y happens, sometimes, right?" Or "people worry about Y, right?" How can an adult fail to realize this point?