Elections Question about Elizabeth Warren

[JamesRussler]

Hello gentlemen. I have a couple of questions regarding Elizabeth Warren's recipe contributions to the Native American cookbook "Pow Wow Chow” ... is "Crab with Tomato Mayonnaise Dressing" really a Cherokee recipe?

That’s a very good question. I believe there was a tribe that had a “sacred mayonaise” which they used in their traditional crab louie salads. Cannot confirm whether it was Cherokee tho. @Limbo Pete ?

 

[Limbo Pete]

That’s a very good question. I believe there was a tribe that had a “sacred mayonaise” which they used in their traditional crab louie salads. Cannot confirm whether it was Cherokee tho. @Limbo Pete ?

 

[Slick_36]

"Civilised tribes" is kind of offensive.

Look at our McDonalds! Check out our Walmart! Hahaha third world scumbag!

The Five Civilized Tribes is a term that goes back to the original colonies. They were the tribes that readily adopted European practices such as Christianity, centralized government, and market participation. When it's used now, it's just referring to those tribes, not making any statements on what's civilized.

 

[Slick_36]

While true, this thread's about her plagiarizing.

True that she was Native? It wasn't a lot but the only thing it proved was she had ancestry. Genetics doesn't pass down evenly.

I don't quite get the big deal of this cookbook. It's a very small thing, had no bearing politically, and didn't make her money. If this is her skeleton in the closet, she must be a saint.

 

[The ScorpioN]

Wow, a bunch dudes mockingly speculating about how a powerful female they dislike might have been in grade school, high school, etc. What a pathetic bunch of turds.

Tbh this. Only incels joke about strong women of color.

 

[Slick_36]

Hello gentlemen. I have a couple of questions regarding Elizabeth Warren's recipe contributions to the Native American cookbook "Pow Wow Chow” ... is "Crab with Tomato Mayonnaise Dressing" really a Cherokee recipe?

Think of it this way, it's not like a culture stops the second it interacts with another part of the world. Many dishes and ingredients that are staples of countries have developed somewhere else. Indian curry, Belgian chocolate, Irish potatoes, Italian pizza/pasta, Russian vodka etc. You wouldn't look at those foods and call them American because their ingredients came from the Americas and weren't native to those countries.

Now I'm not saying that crab dish is Cherokee tradition, I don't think she was raised in a Cherokee household. I think she was raised being told she had some Cherokee blood. But the recipe itself isn't some sort of smoking bullet for anything.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

True that she was Native? It wasn't a lot but the only thing it proved was she had ancestry. Genetics doesn't pass down evenly.

I don't quite get the big deal of this cookbook. It's a very small thing, had no bearing politically, and didn't make her money. If this is her skeleton in the closet, she must be a saint.

True that her having enough NA ancestry to claim status was bullshit.

Unless times have changed, plagiarism is quite frowned upon. A grade-schooler knows not to do it.

 

[waiguoren]

Think of it this way, it's not like a culture stops the second it interacts with another part of the world. Many dishes and ingredients that are staples of countries have developed somewhere else. Indian curry, Belgian chocolate, Irish potatoes, Italian pizza/pasta, Russian vodka etc. You wouldn't look at those foods and call them American because their ingredients came from the Americas and weren't native to those countries.

Now I'm not saying that crab dish is Cherokee tradition, I don't think she was raised in a Cherokee household. I think she was raised being told she had some Cherokee blood. But the recipe itself isn't some sort of smoking bullet for anything.

This didn’t address my questions, Mr Slick. The recipe is an exact, word-for-word copy of the famous chef’s. It’s not something that someone passed down to her. She copied it directly and word-for-word from the New York Times. She did the same for two other recipes, and her husband did the same for a fourth. Is that not plagiarism?

As for the cuisine, it appears to be a French recipe from a Frenchman who probably had no interaction with Native Americans. I don’t see how your fusion argument is relevant. It seems that she and her husband submitted five different non-Native American recipes (all copied, BTW) to appear in a Native American cookbook. Isn’t that strange?

 

[The Diplomat]

Ah yes. I remember my great grandmother talking about the sacred mayonnaise recipe. Cherokee have been eating it and passing it down for generations.

(My great grandmother was Cherokee. I have way more native blood running through me than Warren, but even I know not to bring it up, because I look Irish.)

 

[luckyshot]

Gee this is a real scandal. Ranks right up there with Hillary's hot sauce.

Better vote on stuff like this rather than policy.

That should work our great for us all.

 

[The Diplomat]

Gee this is a real scandal. Ranks right up there with Hillary's hot sauce.

Better vote on stuff like this rather than policy.

That should work our great for us all.

If she actually plagiarized the recipe, it is an issue imo. Obviously not for policy, but it continues to show how much she's willing to break her back to fit in.

 

[Slick_36]

If she actually plagiarized the recipe, it is an issue imo. Obviously not for policy, but it continues to show how much she's willing to break her back to fit in.

In a community cookbook that no one has ever heard of? She's obviously challenging the status quo, not breaking her back to fit in.

 

[The Diplomat]

In a community cookbook that no one has ever heard of? She's obviously challenging the status quo, not breaking her back to fit in.

Plagiarism is plagiarism. If she didn't write the recipe, but put it in to look better in the community, that is trying to fit in. Otherwise, why do it in the first place?

 

[waiguoren]

Gee this is a real scandal. Ranks right up there with Hillary's hot sauce.

Better vote on stuff like this rather than policy.

That should work our great for us all.

Is plagiarism OK now? I remember when it killed Biden's presidential campaign and led to Fareed Zakaria losing his job.

 

[Slick_36]

This didn’t address my questions, Mr Slick. The recipe is an exact, word-for-word copy of the famous chef’s. It’s not something that someone passed down to her. She copied it directly and word-for-word from the New York Times. She did the same for two other recipes, and her husband did the same for a fourth. Is that not plagiarism?

As for the cuisine, it appears to be a French recipe from a Frenchman who probably had no interaction with Native Americans. I don’t see how your fusion argument is relevant. It seems that she and her husband submitted five different non-Native American recipes (all copied, BTW) to appear in a Native American cookbook. Isn’t that strange?

I'm just making a point that it doesn't need to be a wholly traditional, she can share a recipe with mayonnaise..

Sure she plagiarized for a small cookbook that didn't fuel her academic or political career. She didn't make money off of it. You can't be calling this a red flag and excuse the sea of red flags in Trump's yard.

It's not strange. Those tribes have been adopting European practices for 300 years, a French recipe is not weird. The French were the first Europeans to interact with my Ojibwe ancestors and they were wonderful, learning the languages and respecting the culture. I think it's cool.

 

[Slick_36]

Is plagiarism OK now? I remember when it killed Biden's presidential campaign and led to Fareed Zakaria losing his job.

There's a huge difference between academic and political plagiarism and a couple of recipes that didn't benefit her in any way.

 

[Kitafuji]

She sucks.

 

[Seano]

There's a huge difference between academic and political plagiarism and a couple of recipes that didn't benefit her in any way.

It was part of a false persona that did benefit her.

 

[waiguoren]

You can't be calling this a red flag and excuse the sea of red flags in Trump's yard.

That never happened.

Sure she plagiarized for a small cookbook that didn't fuel her academic or political career. She didn't make money off of it.

Ok, at least someone gave me a straight answer.

There's a huge difference between academic and political plagiarism and a couple of recipes that didn't benefit her in any way.

I think it's silly to assume it didn't benefit her in any way, but of course we also don't know that it did benefit her in any way.

 

[The Diplomat]

There's a huge difference between academic and political plagiarism and a couple of recipes that didn't benefit her in any way.

What would be the point of her doing this at all, then?

Obviously it's not a major deal, but I wouldn't just pass off a presidential candidate plagiarizing something as nothing. Kenny Florian lost a job over it. It happened to Biden in the past. It's more of a personality issue than policy.