International Putin once again plays amateur Trump with "impossible meeting"

Again, the problem is the nation of origin. Russian jets are banned from traveling through EU airspace. Israeli jets were not.

There is a blanket airspace ban on Russian jets traveling through all of the countries that Putin would need to travel through to reach Budapest. Even if Hungary itself allows the visit and waives its ICC responsibilities, Putin still won't be able to physically travel through EU airspace.

I highly doubt Putin is going to hop on his jet and order it to illegally enter Polish airspace without an armed fighter jet escort.
I mean I get what your saying but it seems like something that can easily be resolved by Trump talking to the EU to allow it so they can try and stop this war from going on. I don't see the EU being this strict with their rules if the purpose is for negotiations.
 
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ICC has no authority. Thats for officials of poor countries and total losers in war.

If they at all interfere in US business then they would be the ones getting rolled up.

International law put forth by any UN committee isn’t binding therefore isn’t real
It’s whatever the USA and Israel says it is that is binding.
 
I mean I get what your saying but it seems like something that can easily be resolved by Trump talking to the EU to allow it so they can try and stop this war from going on. I don't see the EU being this strict with their rules if the purpose is for negotiations.
That's never going to happen.

That is EXACTLY what Putin wants. This is a war for the hearts and minds of the neutral countries from around the world. Putin would love nothing more than for Trump to strong-arm the EU into allowing his jet passage through EU airspace. That way Putin would proudly proclaim to the world: "We are not isolated and western rules are meaningless."

The propaganda win for Putin would be massive. I will be very surprised if that happens.
 
I agree that the likely conclusion to this is the meeting happening in Turkiye. It's the most sensible location for Trump to meet Putin outside of Alaska again.

But why would Russia agree to a meeting in Hungary if Putin can't travel there? That's the whole point. Putin is trying to play Trump, and so far it's working. Now it's up to the EU to defuse the situation and negotiate a meeting in Turkiye, as you suggest.
Putin is a little weasel no doubt, but I think we're way past minor plays like that in the current situation.

End of the day, Vlad has always played Trump. I assume at some point he may have even physically had his testicles in Donnie's mouth. Who knows?
 
Netanyahu already went to Hungary this spring, and he had an arrest warrant from the ICC for war crimes. So there is a precedent. At least part of the purpose for Netanyahu's visit was probably a fuck you to the ICC, an act of defiance.
Sure, however Benny might not care that Hungary does have borders with Ukraine.

So Putin might agree to travel to Budapesht and later argue that ukr had sent terrorists to Hungary, might shot down airplane etc.
Then tell that he is willing to travel to White House....
Trump in such case will agree and Putin will win big PR victory cos this......
Maybe such is gameplan?
 
Putin is a little weasel no doubt, but I think we're way past minor plays like that in the current situation.

End of the day, Vlad has always played Trump. I assume at some point he may have even physically had his testicles in Donnie's mouth. Who knows?
This is not necessarily a minor play. Russia is very concerned with Trump's trajectory. He started his presidency very pro Russia, and has trended in the opposite direction over time. Putin has no intention of stopping this war, as he thinks he can outlast western support for Ukraine. So this is a real issue for him. The longer he can keep Trump "on side" and prevent him from putting more sanctions on Russia and expanding weapon sales to Ukraine, the better for him.

Eventually Trump will snap and give Ukraine JASSMs and Tomahawks, but if Putin can delay that by 6-12 months then that matters.
 
This is not necessarily a minor play. Russia is very concerned with Trump's trajectory. He started his presidency very pro Russia, and has trended in the opposite direction over time. Putin has no intention of stopping this war, as he thinks he can outlast western support for Ukraine. So this is a real issue for him. The longer he can keep Trump "on side" and prevent him from putting more sanctions on Russia and expanding weapon sales to Ukraine, the better for him.

Eventually Trump will snap and give Ukraine JASSMs and Tomahawks, but if Putin can delay that by 6-12 months then that matters.
Rump should at first to supply a lot from these mines and cluster ammo. They does have old stuff scheduled for decommisioning, might sent. It will be transport cost plus save expenses on de commisioning.

Also Trump might sent some batches with ATACAMS.... this will make Putin's army advances slower....
 
Rump should at first to supply a lot from these mines and cluster ammo. They does have old stuff scheduled for decommisioning, might sent. It will be transport cost plus save expenses on de commisioning.

Also Trump might sent some batches with ATACAMS.... this will make Putin's army advances slower....
Absolutely. If Trump really wants to end this war, the best way is to approve long-range weapons for sale to Ukraine, to be used on any military target (including targets inside Russia).

Remaining ATACMS, JASSMs, Tomahawks, etc. are all long-range weapons that can make a real difference in the war. The US can afford to sell these weapons to Ukraine (paid for by the EU, with loans backed by frozen Russian assets) -- weapons which Ukraine can use to bring Russia's war effort to a halt.

This is exactly why Putin wants the meeting with Trump. He's going to delay the meeting as long as possible, offer some "end to the war" deal which seems reasonable to Trump but which Ukraine will ultimately reject, to frame Ukraine as the barrier to peace. The only goal is to delay Trump from giving Ukraine these weapons for another 6-12 months.
 


Comment by Russian Presidential Aide Yuri Ushakov on the Outcome of the Telephone Conversation Between Vladimir Putin and U.S.President Donald Trump (October 16, 2025)

Yuri Ushakov: Dear colleagues! Today, in the afternoon, a telephone conversation took place between Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and U.S.President Donald Trump.This was their eighth phone call. The discussion was lengthy, lasting nearly two and a half hours. It was clearly very substantive, extremely candid, and trusting in nature.

Our President began the conversation by congratulating Donald Trump on his success in normalizing the situation in the Gaza Strip. This peacemaking activity by the U.S.President has been highly appreciated in the Middle East, in America itself, and in most countries around the world.Naturally, Russia's principled position in favor of a comprehensive Middle East settlement based on universally recognized international legal foundations was outlined, which would guarantee lasting peace for all peoples in the region.

*** Special emphasis during the telephone conversation was placed on issues related to the Ukrainian crisis. Vladimir Putin provided detailed assessments of the current situation, emphasizing the Russian side's interest in achieving a peaceful political and diplomatic resolution.It was noted, in particular, that during the special military operation, the Russian Armed Forces fully hold the strategic initiative along the entire line of contact. Under these conditions, the Kiev regime resorts to terrorist methods, striking civilian targets and energy infrastructure facilities, to which we are forced to respond accordingly.

Donald Trump repeatedly emphasized the need to establish peace in Ukraine as soon as possible.The idea that the Russian-Ukrainian conflict has been the most difficult to resolve in all of the U.S.President's peacekeeping activities literally permeated his statements throughout the conversation. And, of course, he mentioned his successes in resolving eight other regional conflicts.Characteristically, one of the main points of the American President was that ending the conflict in Ukraine would open up enormous —he emphasized enormous —prospects for developing economic cooperation between the U.S. and Russia.

From both sides, by the way, there was talk of the deep mutual sympathies between the peoples of the two countries, which were vividly demonstrated during World War II. It was emphasized that the current state of bilateral relations against this backdrop appears paradoxical.The issue of possible supplies of long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles to Ukraine was also touched upon. Vladimir Putin reiterated his thesis that "Tomahawks" would not change the situation on the battlefield but would cause substantial damage to relations between our countries, not to mention the prospects for peaceful settlement.

Against this background, it is noteworthy that the Presidents discussed the possibility of holding another personal meeting. This is indeed a very important point.It was agreed that representatives of the two countries would immediately begin working on preparations for a Summit, which could be organized, for example, in Budapest.

It is worth mentioning that our President highly appreciated the personal efforts of U.S.President Donald Trump's wife, Melania Trump, in reuniting Russian and Ukrainian children with their families and asked the U.S.President to convey the very best wishes to Melania Trump.Overall, I would say that the telephone contact between the presidents of Russia and the U.S. was very useful, and the two leaders agreed that they would remain in touch.



Always wait for the official Russian press release instead of taking what Trump says at face value. They agreed to begin prep work for a Summit, which could be held in Budapest, for example. In other words, they don't even have a location picked out and there's no confirmation that they'll even meet.
 
Putin is training Trump like his personal chump.

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Always wait for the official Russian press release instead of taking what Trump says at face value. They agreed to begin prep work for a Summit, which could be held in Budapest, for example. In other words, they don't even have a location picked out and there's no confirmation that they'll even meet.
This is just how the Russians talk. They are always vague and non-committal. They clearly specified Budapest as a potential meeting location by your own admission.

Why would they propose a location that Putin knows he can't travel to? It's a clear manipulation attempt.
 
Doesn't seem worth so much speculation - will soon see the result.
 
Doesn't seem worth so much speculation - will soon see the result.
The result will likely be either a cancelled meeting, or Trump meets Putin in Turkiye. Then Putin proposes an obviously unacceptable solution to the war, Ukraine refuses (backed by the EU). Trump then claims the EU/Ukraine are being difficult for a few months, followed by him realizing that Putin is the problem.

But every time we go through this cycle, Trump becomes less and less pro Russia in general. The trend is towards Trump becoming frustrated that Putin won't do him any favors and end the war.
 
Putin is a little weasel no doubt, but I think we're way past minor plays like that in the current situation.

End of the day, Vlad has always played Trump. I assume at some point he may have even physically had his testicles in Donnie's mouth. Who knows?

Nobody plays Donald like Putin.
I read Trump is starting to pull back on sending Tomahawks to Ukraine.
Putin must be one helluva salesman.
If he worked for Mary Kay he would win the pink caddy over and over.
 
It would’ve better if Trump didn’t try talks at all and when USA gas prices goes up he calls it Putins gas hikes .


There will become a point will Trump will throw his hands up. The question is what is the best move
 
Nobody plays Donald like Putin.
I read Trump is starting to pull back on sending Tomahawks to Ukraine.
Putin must be one helluva salesman.
If he worked for Mary Kay he would win the pink caddy over and over.
Trump would take home the set of steak knives.
 
It would’ve better if Trump didn’t try talks at all and when USA gas prices goes up he calls it Putins gas hikes .


There will become a point will Trump will throw his hands up. The question is what is the best move
Interestingly how much Russia might hike up gasoline prices in U.S up?

Obviously that yanks loves Putin a lot. This is real reason.
 
Hungary shouldn't be in the EU.

But even if they left, plenty of weak minded politicians would sell themselves to Putin.
 
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