Putin makes Holocaust denial a criminal offence punishable by up to five years in jail.

[Falconkick]

Ah I see,. So basically, you like freedom of speech and religion but not for Muslims so you're willing to undermine it to screw them over.

Well...not all Muslims share that ideology so no. You are wrong too assume that

 

[tramendous]

That's not really true despite how common this falsehood is mentioned. Zionist immigration and the political support for the creation of the state of Israel occurred well before the world learned of the Holocaust. This is statement of yours is easily disproved by fact that the Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917, decades before the Holocaust.

It was Eastern European pogroms against the Jews that initially spurred the Zionist project which is why most of the early waves of Jewish immigration were from Eastern, not Western, Europe and why every Israeli Prime Minister with one exception(born in Palestine) up until 1992 were born in Eastern Europe. Western European Jews thought they were safe and could integrate within their host nations and so didn't emigrate to Palestine but in hindsight they were wrong.

When the state of israel is threatened the world intervenes not because of past pogroms but because of the holocaust card. Im not saying that there would not be an israel because as you said the precedence for that does go further but if the holocaust was not a sacred event in the western historical narrative but just another mass murder in the bloody history of 20th century, support for that country wouldnt be as high. Again, "6 million" figure is one of the only sacred things left in the secular west. I honestly wouldnt care if there was no stigma of holocaust denial for questioning the number of people that died and the respectable historians still kept coming up with that number.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

The only reason to stifle free expression is if you have something to hide. Someone says something provably false, prove them false. No need to criminalize its expression.

 

[Islam Imamate]

When the state of israel is threatened the world intervenes not because of past pogroms but because of the holocaust card. Im not saying that there would not be an israel because as you said the precedence for that does go further but if the holocaust was not a sacred event in the western historical narrative but just another mass murder in the bloody history of 20th century, support for that country wouldnt be as high. Again, "6 million" figure is one of the only sacred things left in the secular west. I honestly wouldnt care if there was no stigma of holocaust denial for questioning the number of people that died and the respectable historians still kept coming up with that number.

There are other reasons given, like the fact that Israel is the only democracy in the region. Besides, the world rarely intervenes to protect Israel and usually intervenes to try and protect the Palestinians through diplomacy. The one time Western powers intervene on the side of Israel was not in defense of them because of the Holocaust but was during the Suez crisis in an offensive capacity.

Its usually the Israelis themselves who play the holocaust card.

Well...not all Muslims share that ideology so no. You are wrong too assume that

I didn't assume that, I am responding to what ya said bud

But if you don't believe that Islam entirely, not just radical Islam is a massive problem. That the Islamisation of the West needs to 100% be stamped out, not tolerated. Or that Sharia Law is rotten, the Caliphate is a joke. You should in some small form be punished. Yes, a small part of me believes that.

 

[Falconkick]

There are other reasons given, like the fact that Israel is the only democracy in the region. Besides, the world rarely intervenes to protect Israel and usually intervenes to try and protect the Palestinians through diplomacy. The one time Western powers intervene on the side of Israel was not in defense of them because of the Holocaust but was during the Suez crisis in an offensive capacity.

Its usually the Israelis themselves who play the holocaust card.

I didn't assume that, I am responding to what ya said bud

Not all people from Muslim countries practice Islam... . I train with a 25 year old man named Fahad from Syria, he agrees whole heartedly with what I think. And so does his family that is why they left. Many people from Muslim countries leave because they want no part of Islam

 

[Islam Imamate]

Not all people from Muslim countries practice Islam... . I train with a 25 year old man named Fahad from Syria, he agrees whole heartedly with what I think. And so does his family that is why they left. Many people from Muslim countries leave because they want no part of Islam

Okay fine but you're applying that to all Muslims and Islam entirely, not just radical Muslims. So what I said earlier

Ah I see,. So basically, you like freedom of speech and religion but not for Muslims so you're willing to undermine it to screw them over.

is true.

 

[Falconkick]

Okay fine but you're applying that to all Muslims and Islam entirely, not just radical Muslims. So what I said earlier

is true.

Yea, fuck it. I am applying it too all that practice Islam, they need to stop marrying their cousins and wake up

 

[Islam Imamate]

Yea, fuck it. I am applying it too all that practice Islam, they need to stop marrying their cousins and wake the up

 

[Falconkick]

Islam has no future for our society. Done.

 

[tramendous]

There are other reasons given, like the fact that Israel is the only democracy in the region. Besides, the world rarely intervenes to protect Israel and usually intervenes to try and protect the Palestinians through diplomacy. The one time Western powers intervene on the side of Israel was not in defense of them because of the Holocaust but was during the Suez crisis in an offensive capacity.

Its usually the Israelis themselves who play the holocaust card.

Thats why i said when israel is threatened. Israel has not been threatened since the yom kippur war and the holocaust card is played by israel and it works. American presidents are terrified of being seen as anti-semites and questioning the narrative of the holocaust runs the risk of the questioner having his reputation destroyed not because of the content of his work but because of umbrella labels like 'denier'. The holocaust is now a weaponized industry as said by Norm Finkelstein.

 

[tramendous]

The only reason to stifle free expression is if you have something to hide. Someone says something provably false, prove them false. No need to criminalize its expression.

Honestly. You have morons today saying sandy hook never happened and the president himself sees them as a great supporter (Alex Jones) but they walk and prosper.

 

[abiG]

Honestly. You have morons today saying sandy hook never happened and the president himself sees them as a great supporter (Alex Jones) but they walk and prosper.

But, is anyone going to jail for thinking that Sandy Hook never happened?

 

[Fawlty]

When the state of israel is threatened the world intervenes not because of past pogroms but because of the holocaust card. Im not saying that there would not be an israel because as you said the precedence for that does go further but if the holocaust was not a sacred event in the western historical narrative but just another mass murder in the bloody history of 20th century, support for that country wouldnt be as high. Again, "6 million" figure is one of the only sacred things left in the secular west. I honestly wouldnt care if there was no stigma of holocaust denial for questioning the number of people that died and the respectable historians still kept coming up with that number.

That would be nice if antisemitism wasn't a deeper problem, but that does not reflect reality. It always manifests itself in violence, segregation, nationalist extremism, etc. Jews, like them or not, have endured this treatment for centuries and only post-Hitler have they had something approaching a respite. I don't believe they slaved away on the pyramids, but they have been consistently oppressed and assaulted for being Jewish, for a very, very long time. Antisemitism is a special kind of mental disorder and needs to be snuffed out of this world. Vigilance is absolutely required.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Russia is a Mafia State, and Putin is the Capo dei Capi. He'll crack down on extreme Nationalism and Facism because these movements can get out of control. And that's bad for business.

 

[abiG]

And who cares about the number? If someone says 250k were killed, isn't that bad enough? And at the same time can't we just point and laugh at the person? Need one be imprisoned? For idiocy?

 

[Viva]

Yea, fuck it. I am applying it too all that practice Islam, they need to stop marrying their cousins and wake up

This is a blatant misrepresentation of Muslims.

I don't care for organized religion as a whole but I've lived in cities in the US with sizable Muzzie populations and they're not much of a problem at all.

 

[Viva]

That would be nice if antisemitism wasn't a deeper problem, but that does not reflect reality. It always manifests itself in violence, segregation, nationalist extremism, etc. Jews, like them or not, have endured this treatment for centuries and only post-Hitler have they had something approaching a respite. I don't believe they slaved away on the pyramids, but they have been consistently oppressed and assaulted for being Jewish, for a very, very long time. Antisemitism is a special kind of mental disorder and needs to be snuffed out of this world. Vigilance is absolutely required.

Historically they've been ousted from over 100 different nations. It certainly can't be because of their actions though, the rest of the world must be nasty antisemites. And just to be clear, let's not confuse anti-semitism with anti-Zionism.

Orthodox Jews are quite critical of Israel and their largely secular population of Askenazi Jews who support a zionists government. Keep in mind that genetically, many of these ashkenazi Jews are actually more similar to eastern Asian Khazarians than their actual Semitic counterparts.

 

[Gervinho]

Holocaust happened. The numbers are exaggerated and Jews use it to emotionally blackmail people

 

[ryan3434]

Strange.. Wouldnt it just be cheaper to just not listen to those saying holocaust isnt real?

 

[Viva]

Strange.. Wouldnt it just be cheaper to just not listen to those saying holocaust isnt real?

I'm sure those incarcerated provide them with some lovely free labor.