International Pope Francis has died BREAKING - New Pope Elected - American Cardinal Robert Prevost becomes Pope Leo the XIVth

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I dont know about usa but here younger generation are more religious, confirmed by stats. Shit number of applicants to join monk monastery keeps going up.

Especially young men are more religious than before which is interesting phenom

The bleeding seems to have subsided, but it can't be described as some sort of revival.

Executive summary

Read key findings about trends in Americans' religious beliefs and practices in the 2023-24 Religious Landscape Study's executive summary. Pew Research Center.

www.pewresearch.org

The 2023-24 Religious Landscape Study (RLS) and other Pew Research Center polling find that the Christian share of the population, after years of decline, has been relatively stable since 2019. And the religiously unaffiliated population, after rising rapidly for decades, has leveled off – at least temporarily. At present:

* 62% of U.S. adults describe themselves as Christians: 40% are Protestant, 19% are Catholic, and 3% are other Christians.

* 29% are religiously unaffiliated: 5% are atheist, 6% are agnostic, and 19% identify religiously as “nothing in particular.”

* 7% belong to religions other than Christianity: 2% are Jewish, and 1% each are Muslim, Buddhist, or Hindu (all figures are rounded).

 

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The bleeding seems to have subsided, but it can't be described as some sort of revival.

Executive summary

Read key findings about trends in Americans' religious beliefs and practices in the 2023-24 Religious Landscape Study's executive summary. Pew Research Center.

www.pewresearch.org

The 2023-24 Religious Landscape Study (RLS) and other Pew Research Center polling find that the Christian share of the population, after years of decline, has been relatively stable since 2019. And the religiously unaffiliated population, after rising rapidly for decades, has leveled off – at least temporarily. At present:

* 62% of U.S. adults describe themselves as Christians: 40% are Protestant, 19% are Catholic, and 3% are other Christians.

* 29% are religiously unaffiliated: 5% are atheist, 6% are agnostic, and 19% identify religiously as “nothing in particular.”

* 7% belong to religions other than Christianity: 2% are Jewish, and 1% each are Muslim, Buddhist, or Hindu (all figures are rounded).

Looked at through the lens only of Christianity it may not look like there's a revival, but that would be a narrow-minded view I think. What we are seeing is a profound need and a recognized one for people to find meaning in life. While Christianity may be the end of many people's search (,to my lights anyway).. It certainly isn't the beginning for many people who don't identify as any particular religion.

The "crisis of meaning" rightly identified by many of today's scholars is the end result of liberal philosophy and ideology... its basically a desert wasteland of spirituality. This lack of meaning is also at the the core of many of our political problems today.

One scholar paraphrase said "when I ask my graduate students where they go to find fitness, they know where to go. When I ask them where to find sound financial advice, they know where to go. When I ask them where to go to socialize they know that too. But when I ask them where they go to find meaning there is utter silence.


I listened to a lecture by another scholar who took about an hour and a half to explain in detail historically, how we've created room for people like Trump precisely by adopting liberal ideology and telling people there is no inherent meaning in the world at all and that each person must find their own. But they didn't realize that many people when they find their own meaning imagine that might makes right or worse... just plain Jerry Springer and the WWE. Many scholars have lamented the fact that they were wrong in believing that Western intellectual values would hold once disconnected from religion.

But that is changing mainly because people have never not been moored in deep and profound meaning situating their lives within a spiritual context. This new experiment of liberal ideology where there is no inherent meaning has failed and shown us that people don't live well without root core values and a path to pursue spiritual traits and states. One scholar described his work as a race to save the world from social media, which has replaced the world's spiritual traditions with a vapid online culture of meaninglessness.

Here is the best introduction to the most important movement of our time, a movement on the very cutting edge of humanity, the spear tip really that is leading the way for all of humanity to follow and thrive.

 

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Pope Leo should push supercessionist rhetoric in public.

Looked at through the lens only of Christianity it may not look like there's a revival, but that would be a narrow-minded view I think. What we are seeing is a profound need and a recognized one for people to find meaning in life. While Christianity may be the end of many people's search (,to my lights anyway).. It certainly isn't the beginning for many people who don't identify as any particular religion.

The "crisis of meaning" rightly identified by many of today's scholars is the end result of liberal philosophy and ideology... its basically a desert wasteland of spirituality. This lack of meaning is also at the the core of many of our political problems today.

One scholar paraphrase said "when I ask my graduate students where they go to find fitness, they know where to go. When I ask them where to find sound financial advice, they know where to go. When I ask them where to go to socialize they know that too. But when I ask them where they go to find meaning there is utter silence.


I listened to a lecture by another scholar who took about an hour and a half to explain in detail historically, how we've created room for people like Trump precisely by adopting liberal ideology and telling people there is no inherent meaning in the world at all and that each person must find their own. But they didn't realize that many people when they find their own meaning vivint might makes right or worse. Just plain Jerry Springer in the WWE. Many scholars have lamented the fact that they were wrong in believing that Western intellectual values would hold once disconnected from religion.

But that is changing mainly because people have never not been moored in deep and profound meaning situating their lives within a spiritual context. This new experiment of liberal ideology where there is no inherent meaning has failed and shown us that people don't live well without root core values and a path to pursue spiritual traits and states. One scholar described his work as a race to save the world from social media, which has replaced the world's spiritual traditions with a vapid online culture of meaninglessness.

Here is the best introduction to the most important movement of our time, a movement on the very cutting edge of humanity, the spear tip really that is leading the way for all of humanity to follow and thrive.

It's incredibly difficult for me not to scoff at this. Not because you're wrong, but because I tend to view the idea of people even having the time to ponder "crisis of meaning" to be an insane modern privilege, and certainly nobody with children who are worth their weight in salt as parents could utter such things. We are only a handful of generations removed from not having practical electricity or indoor plumbing, the chief concern for our recent ancestors was day to day survival and scraping out a mere existence.

 

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Pope Leo should push supercessionist rhetoric in public.



It's incredibly difficult for me not to scoff at this. Not because you're wrong, but because I tend to view the idea of people even having the time to ponder "crisis of meaning" to be an insane modern privilege, and certainly nobody with children who are worth their weight in salt as parents could utter such things. We are only a handful of generations removed from not having practical electricity or indoor plumbing, the chief concern for our recent ancestors was day to day survival and scraping out a mere existence.

to say that i am shocked and surprised and horrified by this response is an understatement man. you REALLY need more information on this topic friend. i strongly encourage you to get some exposure to this historically ....

in fact there has never been a time when we have been less connected to wisdom and meaning and purpose than in the modern age... it is the primary myth and pathology of this age to lack a connection to it. it is the modern ailment that we are now fully disconnected from meaning in our lives... from a shared sense of purpose. most people are profoundly disconnected from it nowadays.


i also could not disagree more profoundly when it comes to raising children.... its hard for me to even comprehend your position on that one in fact.... if a parent is not concerned primarily with meaning and depth and spirituality themselves they cannot possibly orient their child in a meaningful way to this world....

decent parenting done with spirituality as the primary foundation along with intellectual and physical development as correlates is the only way to prepare a human being in this age to be free from the psychological and emotional disorders prevalent in this age. in fact out of seven stages of the spiritual life it is the natural order of things to bring a child to the third stage by the time they are 18 and that means they would be well equipped according to teressa of avila to become saints and traverse the rest of the stages. raising a child in such a way as they come out at stage three... having identified and overcome the CORE dilemma and issues of their personality type is the primary job of a parent who is situated in meaning.

most parents are not even through the second stage of spirituality man... thats a tragedy beyond estimation.


i am at an utter loss here man.... perhaps you ought to get acquainted with the work i am referencing here as it situates everything that is happening today from a historical but also psychological/neurological and spiritual understanding.

one wonders how philosophy and art and literature and religion ever emerged in the past according to your position here......

 

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to say that i am shocked and surprised and horrified by this response is an understatement man. you REALLY need more information on this topic friend. i strongly encourage you to get some exposure to this historically ....

in fact there has never been a time when we have been less connected to wisdom and meaning and purpose than in the modern age... it is the primary myth and pathology of this age to lack a connection to it. it is the modern ailment that we are now fully disconnected from meaning in our lives... from a shared sense of purpose. most people are profoundly disconnected from it nowadays.


i also could not disagree more profoundly when it comes to raising children.... its hard for me to even comprehend your position on that one in fact.... if a parent is not concerned primarily with meaning and depth and spirituality themselves they cannot possibly orient their child in a meaningful way to this world....

decent parenting done with spirituality as the primary foundation along with intellectual and physical development as correlates is the only way to prepare a human being in this age to be free from the psychological and emotional disorders prevalent in this age. in fact out of seven stages of the spiritual life it is the natural order of things to bring a child to the third stage by the time they are 18 and that means they would be well equipped according to teressa of avila to become saints and traverse the rest of the stages. raising a child in such a way as they come out at stage three... having identified and overcome the CORE dilemma and issues of their personality type is the primary job of a parent who is situated in meaning.

most parents are not even through the second stage of spirituality man... thats a tragedy beyond estimation.


i am at an utter loss here man.... perhaps you ought to get acquainted with the work i am referencing here as it situates everything that is happening today from a historical but also psychological/neurological and spiritual understanding.

one wonders how philosophy and art and literature and religion ever emerged in the past according to your position here......

You don't believe we are living in the most extraordinarily pampered and privileged era of human history? It's hardly up for debate. I simply have no crisis of meaning and can't relate to it. Children alone bring all types of it to one's life beyond carrying out a fundamental biological and evolutionary purpose, the social and spiritual aspects being only two of the most notable. I wholeheartedly agree that people should get their shit together.

 

[Deorum]

Islamic civilization was nowhere to be seen before the Prophet (SAW) and then two generations later its arguably the dominant civilization.

Are we in the midst of a Moslem takeover?





* 62% of U.S. adults describe themselves as Christians: 40% are Protestant, 19% are Catholic, and 3% are other Christians.

* 29% are religiously unaffiliated: 5% are atheist, 6% are agnostic, and 19% identify religiously as “nothing in particular.”

* 7% belong to religions other than Christianity: 2% are Jewish, and 1% each are Muslim, Buddhist, or Hindu (all figures are rounded).

I think we’re discussing two different things. But you bring up good points. This is an interesting topic.

Are we getting close to approaching something of an objective consensus on a "Magnificent Seven" on this? The exact placements will perpetually be up for debate. In chronological timeline order:

* Alexander The Great
* Julius Caesar
* Augustus (Octavian)
* Jesus of Nazareth
* Paul the Apostle
* Prophet Muhammad
* Sir Isaac Newton

The only question is, where does this leave contributors to the arts? How can a composer, painter, sculptor, or writer compete with the likes of conquerers and rulers or scientists and religious founders where impact and influence on the course of civilization is concerned? They simply can't, but what they accomplished has priceless value. Do we carve out a handful of extraordinary exceptions for the likes of Michelangelo and Shakespeare? In the case of the former, we are talking about the most iconic painting(s) of all-time; the most famous sculpture(s) ever chiseled by man from a block of marble. A man who represented the pinnacle of the peak artistic movement in human history and was responsible for ushering in the one that followed it. He did crack the Top 50 on the Hart list.

 

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The major difference between Genghis and Alexander to me is that pretty much every military leader in Europe's history since Alexander's time has tried to reach or surpass his accomplishments. He was the benchmark for success. Of course, not very many people came even remotely close.

Militarily, every general or leader wanted to reach the heights he did. His ten year run of victories and conquests have been unparalleled to this day.

That is very much how conquerors in the East thought of the Great Khan with the most notable example being Tamerlane who was also undefeated line Alexander and the aforementioned Babur who descended from both Tamerlane and Genghis.

 

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You don't believe we are living in the most extraordinarily pampered and privileged era of human history? It's hardly up for debate. I simply have no crisis of meaning and can't relate to it. Children alone bring all types of it to one's life beyond carrying out a fundamental biological and evolutionary purpose, the social and spiritual aspects being only two of the most notable. I wholeheartedly agree that people should get their shit together.

I think you failed to even grasp the basics of the point I made and have somehow made it personal when it isn't.

You're missing out on a much bigger world here.

 

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I think you failed to even grasp the basics of the point I made and have somehow made it personal when it isn't.

You're missing out on a much bigger world here.

I don't think it requires any sort of deep analysis to point out that the extraordinary creature comforts and accessibility of carnal pleasures in modern life of consoomer driven liberal democracies are one of the primary driving factors for why people have discarded faith and spirituality in the first place. It's a pretty easy crisis to fix for the willing.

 

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I don't think it requires any sort of deep analysis to point out that the extraordinary creature comforts and accessibility of carnal pleasures in modern life of consoomer driven liberal democracies are one of the primary driving factors for why people have discarded faith and spirituality in the first place. It's a pretty easy crisis to fix for the willing.

Hey man, I perceive you as someone who is open-minded and into becoming self-educated maybe I was mistaken..... If you would just watch the video you would have an entire world opened up for you and if you don't want to do that that's just fine with me man.

From the responses that you've given, I can tell you don't even comprehend the basic gist of what they're trying to say. And frankly, it's not the kind of thing you can sum up in a paragraph. This is a philosophy, cognitive psychology, cognitive science and spirituality and economic analysis.etc..... This is something different than
you have been exposed to that I... just based on the posts you usually make I know you would love deeply if you would just hear it.

These guys are describing all of the disorders on the planet and linking it to a common cause and they're doing a damn good job of it and anchoring it in cognitive brain science....

For anyone curious about the world, this is a mecca of food for the mind.

Also, they're not evangelists man. Some of them are atheists. They're not trying to get you to convert to some religion. It's way deeper than you're thinking.

 

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I don't think it requires any sort of deep analysis to point out that the extraordinary creature comforts and accessibility of carnal pleasures in modern life of consoomer driven liberal democracies are one of the primary driving factors for why people have discarded faith and spirituality in the first place. It's a pretty easy crisis to fix for the willing.

And people wonder why more and more people are on antidepressants. Chasing basal desires (ie dopamine) is a process that suffers from massive diminishing returns. If that’s all people live for (ie no purpose but to fulfill one’s selfish desires), then it’s only a matter of time before an existential crisis develops and they wind up on meds or have some kind of epiphany. Unfortunately most go for the meds or they self medicate.

It’s sad really.

 

[S Class]

JD Vance, no!

 

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@KnightTemplar what is funny about this?

I reckon @KnightTemplar is a Prot (and Rangers fan). He's going to drop laughing emoji reactions on that basis, but he's still a good brother.

 

[KnightTemplar]

I've never seen it defended successfully. I've watched countless debates and the people holding the position of sola scripture are reduced to idiocy every time. What a tragedy man. Most of America is under the false impression of Sola Scripture and so is disconnected from all of the rich saints and spiritual path Christianity offers.

@KnightTemplar what is funny about this?

That you take this shit so seriously.

 

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That you take this shit so seriously.

It's ok it's funny man. I just missed the angle is all

 

[KnightTemplar]

I reckon @KnightTemplar is a Prot (and Rangers fan). He's going to drop laughing emoji reactions on that basis, but he's still a good brother.

Right on both counts, brother. But even though I was raised in a town where some pubs had signs on the door that said,

"No dogs or Catholics allowed",

Some of my friends still worship the Anti-Christ of Rome.

 

[DoctorTaco]

It's incredibly difficult for me not to scoff at this. Not because you're wrong, but because I tend to view the idea of people even having the time to ponder "crisis of meaning" to be an insane modern privilege, and certainly nobody with children who are worth their weight in salt as parents could utter such things. We are only a handful of generations removed from not having practical electricity or indoor plumbing, the chief concern for our recent ancestors was day to day survival and scraping out a mere existence.

I will add that plenty of people out there consider themselves Christians but don’t display any of the fruits of the spirit or live by basic Christian doctrine.

Anecdotally I have seen more lefties and liberals try to end war, pestilence, and famine then I have people on the right. You don’t have to believe in a God to find purpose in helping others. I’m not a theist but I find tremendous joy, satisfaction and purpose in my life by helping people. I think lots of folks who don’t believe in a God would echo that sentiment.

 

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Right on both counts, brother. But even though I was raised in a town where some pubs had signs on the door that said,

"No dogs or Catholics allowed",

Some of my friends still worship the Anti-Christ of Rome.

Is the football rivalry a true rivalry in terms of wins and losses, or has one side historically dominated?