Opinion Poll: Trumpers, Was It Rigged?

[Natural Order]

The USA has become a bastion of fraud, everywhere you look. Probably quite likely, probably happens to some degree every election. Unlikely that any determined instances are enough to change outcomes regardless.

Enjoying the circus boys, keep the show going!

 

[Amerikuracana]

The level of delusion against Biden rightly causes worry. Moral relativism would allow a very high % of righties to cheat and feel righteous about it.

The right thinks Biden is an old establishment politician who was so during the era of selling out America to China and other foreign interests for their own interests, their family’s interests, and the interests of the very few that benefitted. They also think his obvious decline and personality change is a cause for worry.

The left thinks long time NY personality/Socialite with a track record of working along side blacks and gays is now hitler and wants to hurt those communities, even though he specifically enacted policies that helped them. Stopping Trump is the only way to “end racism” and the leftist riots encouraged by the big money to get Trump out.



Which one is delusional sweetheart?

 

[Lead]

The Republican party requires an overhaul: to its platform, to its base, and to its key representatives. The Democratic party requires no such overhaul. They just need to manage their infighting-- contain the radical progressive wing.

What I was wondering with that McConnell question was though was where do you think the overhaul would be most promising to come from? If the senate has a less obstructionist majority leader, does that lead to more GOP senators putting out legislation that steers the party in a new direction or will it have to come from whoever wins the presidency next? I think Trumps term has kinda shown Mitch has more control of the party platform that even Trump did in at least what does or doesn’t become the priority.

 

[jk7707]

The right thinks Biden is an old establishment politician who was so during the era of selling out America to China and other foreign interests for their own interests, their family’s interests, and the interests of the very few that benefitted. They also think his obvious decline and personality change is a cause for worry.

The left thinks long time NY personality/Socialite with a track record of working along side blacks and gays is now hitler and wants to hurt those communities, even though he specifically enacted policies that helped them. Stopping Trump is the only way to “end racism” and the leftist riots encouraged by the big money to get Trump out.



Which one is delusional sweetheart?

The fact that you think this is an accurate description of the majority of either the right or left proves that you're more delusional than anyone. Which isn't all that surprising considering who it's coming from.

 

[luckyshot]

Are we talking about the sherdog poll or national? Last one I checked had republicans around 60% that Biden won, 10-20% that the results are undecided, and the rest likely something along the lines Trump won. Given, possibly 20-30% isn’t good and should never be that high. Emotions do run high though after an election and you get some weird CTs. This time, it’s magnified by the president himself. The majority of Democrats thought Russia changed votes in 2016 for example.

I'm talking about national polls. Right after the election about 40% of Republican voters (~20% of the country overall) thought Trump would have won if it were not for fraud.

The latest polls, though, suggest that Trump's misinformation campaign has been successful and the current numbers are much higher than that.

70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud – study
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans

Now, it's possible that the polls are off, but if we've learned anything about Trump and polling, it would seem that the Trump's actual support could be even higher.

From an across the aisle perspective, it really does seem like Trump has an absolute demonic death grip on your party. There are some good, sane Republicans, but I think the base is simply gone past the point of redemption.

The Republican party requires an overhaul: to its platform, to its base, and to its key representatives. The Democratic party requires no such overhaul. They just need to manage their infighting-- contain the radical progressive wing.

The Democratic party needs an overhaul to its messaging... in a HUGE way. It has become a party of educated voters and coastal elites. Now, from a policy point of view, I think being the party that most educated voters agree with is a good thing. However, from an electoral math point of view, it's a disaster.

 

[Amerikuracana]

The fact that you think this is an accurate description of the majority of either the right or left proves that you're more delusional than anyone. Which isn't all that surprising considering who it's coming from.

Yeah right princess, it’s pretty accurate.

I would say the old guard right still takes their cues from the corporate media as well, and they only focus on the UHC bogeyman and other retarded stuff, but I laid it out honest for ya.

 

[luckyshot]

They certainly arent the norm. And shouldnt be for anybody and everybody with no reason other than to encourage low-effort voters

True fact: For citizens, voting is a right, not a privilege. The Constitution doesn't mention any type of "effort threshold" that must or should be met in order to cast a valid ballot.

 

[Shinobi]

I'm actually shocked Trump had such great results considering all the effort the mass medial has put into destroying his reputation for the last 4 years. Has CNN EVER written a positve story about Trump? Defended him on anything? I wonder if he would be reelected if the media treated him like they treat the democrats. Ignoring all his rotten secrets, asking only cute, comfortable questions, campagining for him, etc. If he can get close to 50% with almost every media and tech giant against him, just imagine what he would get if they did him any favours.

 

[Lead]

I'm talking about national polls. Right after the election about 40% of Republican voters (~20% of the country overall) thought Trump would have won if it were not for fraud.

The latest polls, though, suggest that Trump's misinformation campaign has been successful and the current numbers are much higher than that.

70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud – study
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans

Now, it's possible that the polls are off, but if we've learned anything about Trump and polling, it would seem that the Trump's actual support could be even higher.

From an across the aisle perspective, it really does seem like Trump has an absolute demonic death grip on your party. There are some good, sane Republicans, but I think the base is simply gone past the point of redemption.


The Democratic party needs is an overhaul to its messaging... in a HUGE way. It has become a party of educated voters and coastal elites. Now, from a policy point of view, I think being the party that most educated voters agree with is a good thing. However, from an electoral math point of view, it's a disaster.

One thing with polling I think breaks down is once we get past simple who do you vote for questions. Like if there’s a poll with 60% of republicans saying Biden is the rightful winner or 10-20% saying the race is uncertain, that doesn’t align with that 70%. I can only guess but part of that 70% could be dissatisfaction with how mail in voting was handled and the sense of fairness involving that. I don’t see a clear way the two polls reconcile together but my main point would be phrasing (archer reference intended) matters.

Here the stat I was referencing. I can’t seem to find the link for the actual question asked though
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-u...concede-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUKKBN27Q3DW?il=0

 

[McSpikes]

True fact: For citizens, voting is a right, not a privilege. The Constitution doesn't mention any type of "effort threshold" that must or should be met in order to cast a valid ballot.

So basically you have no actual argument...gotcha

 

[curryjunkie]

Oh shit! @Starman has voted! How've you been, amigo?

 

[Amerikuracana]

I'm actually shocked Trump had such great results considering all the effort the mass medial has put into destroying his reputation for the last 4 years. Has CNN EVER written a positve story about Trump? Defended him on anything? I wonder if he would be reelected if the media treated him like they treat the democrats. Ignoring all his rotten secrets, asking only cute, comfortable questions, campagining for him, etc. If he can get close to 50% with almost every media and tech giant against him, just imagine what he would get if they did him any favours.

This cannot be stated enough.

The whole lead up to this election was fkn 100x worse than any pretend “Russian collusion” or anything else they pretended even if it were true.. The collusion to subvert our democracy is real. The playbook is accuse of what you are going to do or have done. That’s what I’ve seen for 4 years.

 

[bobgeese]

Most of the people who voted "no fraud" are not actual Republicans... so I want to ask a question to some of those who are: @Lead @Madmick @bobgeese

How do you guys continue supporting the GOP given their current antics and how they have chosen to go along with Trump's denial of reality?

Or do you?

I mean, I know you guys consider the Dems to be crap... is that the answer, just a lesser evils argument?

Because at this point I sincerely don't see how a rational person could consider the GOP a sane alternative.

Democrats are just that bad.

The city to my left, shootings are up 600%. The city straight ahead of me about 7 miles, homicides up 800%. Multiple literal children are dead, and democrat policies are the cause.

If your state had New York bail reform, you would vote Republican too.


With regard to trumps current behavior, he’s embarrassing himself. Iz normal.

 

[grimballer]

Democrats did everything to facilitate fraud before and during election...

How much of it did take place and how much did it affect the outcome of the election is yet to be seen, but notice the change in language. From “no fraud” to “no mass fraud”. The next one will be “mass fraud did happen, but no evidence of coordinated effort by democrats”

 

[Queen B]

Look at this Karen, saying they shouldnt declare a winner

 

[A Lurker]

Oh shit! @Starman has voted! How've you been, amigo?

 

[A Lurker]

I pretended to be a Trump supporter to vote in this poll.

Rudy is going to present this in court as evidence.

 

[blaseblah]

Democrats did everything to facilitate fraud before and during election...

How much of it did take place and how much did it affect the outcome of the election is yet to be seen, but notice the change in language. From “no fraud” to “no mass fraud”. The next one will be “mass fraud did happen, but no evidence of coordinated effort by democrats”

In the past several years election security measures have been pushed by Democrats and blocked by Republicans. So it's literally the opposite.

 

[jk7707]

Democrats did everything to facilitate fraud before and during election...

How much of it did take place and how much did it affect the outcome of the election is yet to be seen, but notice the change in language. From “no fraud” to “no mass fraud”. The next one will be “mass fraud did happen, but no evidence of coordinated effort by democrats”

There are a small number of individual fraud cases every national election. There's a big difference between that and fraud on the scale that it would take to swing the election.

But I suspect you know that already and are more than likely just desperately clinging on to anything you can at this point as Trump's embarrassing lawsuits are systematically thrown out of court.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I haven't been posting on the WarRoom much since the election because there's so much that we DON'T know. Are these claims of voter fraud legit? Is this Dominion voter systems switching votes? All evidence, not proof, presented so far is questionable if it would have had a giant impact on the election results.

As far as this extremely speculative 'Release The Kraken' which will somehow prove Trump won the election, it first needs to be released and and then analyzed for legitimacy.

Then, even if it is legitimate, it needs to go through the courts? I have no faith that judges would take up or rule correctly on these cases even if there's absolute proof the Trump won, because even judges don't want to face the consequences, even if they are just socially, of 'overturning' a Presidential election in the eyes of the media.

I wouldn't even have faith that the notorious ACB would judge in Trump's favor on the Supreme Court. She's young, with a large family, with at least 30 years to go on the court.... while Trump would be President for only 4 more years.

Not to mention judges wouldn't want the results of the riots on their conscience. Probably hundreds would die will billions of property damage across the entire country.

Remember... OJ Simpson murdered two people and the evidence for his guilt was overwhelming. The main reason why the jury found him not guilty is because of the memory of the Rodney King riots were fresh on their minds, with 57 people dead from it.

If OJ Simpson was declared guilty, LA would have burned.