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That is 3 times you've sent this strange, meaningless reply. Guess you must enjoy repetition:

Yeah... Not caring whether or not half the country believes in the legitimacy of your elections is really great for democracy.
Top notch stuff.

A third of independents and 16% of democrats also doubt the legitimacy of the elections, by the way.
I'm not sure why anyone thinks this is all fine.
All you do is regurgitate .

So all you deserve is the same reply

There is no sense in caring because Trumpers will never change their mind . Caring only is of use when the other side shows some semblance of concern for facts and the truth.
 
All you do is regurgitate .

So all you deserve is the same reply

There is no sense in caring because Trumpers will never change their mind . Caring only is of use when the other side shows some semblance of concern for facts and the truth.

Sorry, dude. But the way you dismiss concerns about your shoddy elections and the lack of faith in the system with "can't convince Trumpers," is just too backwards and tribal to take seriously. Especially when it's not just "Trumpers" that I am talking about. I wasn't regurgitating - I was giving you the opportunity to read, since you'd clearly failed to.

Anyway. Your elections are obviously flawed. They're the weakest in the developed world. And that they lack integrity is not a "Trumper" opinion. It's a growing opinion, both in America and globally.
You're the one exhibiting the blinkered mindset you associate with Trump supporters.

Here you go. Mostly left-leaning opinions on the matter. A few international ones. And many that predate the 2020 elections, since you seem to think this came out of nowhere and is just being pushed by disappointed Trump voters.
I don't agree with all of them, but they at least illustrate that maybe both sides should stop treating election integrity like a partisan issue. Because, your electoral process looks bad.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA112-14.html
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...n-integrity/articleshow/78084962.cms?from=mdr
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ries-can-teach-the-u-s-about-better-elections
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...be-illegal-heres-why/articleshow/78967007.cms
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...est-democracy-could-teach-the-worlds-largest/
https://digitalrepository.trincoll.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1810&context=theses
https://scholars.org/sites/scholars/files/ssn_key_findings_gerken_on_democracy_index.pdf
https://www.mironline.ca/how-americas-failing-electoral-system-will-shape-the-2020-election/
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-11-06/joe-biden-donald-trump-election-lessons
https://www.businessinsider.com/hard-vote-problems-america-democracy-2018-11?IR=T
https://www.deccanherald.com/opinion/is-america-becoming-a-failed-state-911935.html
https://theconversation.com/two-big...have-nothing-to-do-with-russian-hacking-86889
https://www.amazon.com/Fixing-Elections-Failure-Americas-Politics-ebook/dp/B000OT8C16
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/american-system-broken/616991/
https://www.lopinion.fr/edition/wsj/the-dangers-of-losing-faith-in-democracy-155526
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/16/america-flawed-democracy-five-key-areas

Anyway. I'll leave you to it.
I think shitting on Trump is more important to you than America's electoral integrity, and I don't think you can be reached through your unhealthy obsession with him.

I hope you get better.
Cheerio.
 
Sorry, dude. But the way you dismiss concerns about your shoddy elections and the lack of faith in the system with "can't convince Trumpers," is just too backwards and tribal to take seriously. Especially when it's not just "Trumpers" that I am talking about. I wasn't regurgitating - I was giving you the opportunity to read, since you'd clearly failed to.

Anyway. Your elections are obviously flawed. They're the weakest in the developed world. And that they lack integrity is not a "Trumper" opinion. It's a growing opinion, both in America and globally.
You're the one exhibiting the blinkered mindset you associate with Trump supporters.

Here you go. Mostly left-leaning opinions on the matter. A few international ones. And many that predate the 2020 elections, since you seem to think this came out of nowhere and is just being pushed by disappointed Trump voters.
I don't agree with all of them, but they at least illustrate that maybe both sides should stop treating election integrity like a partisan issue. Because, your electoral process looks bad.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA112-14.html
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...n-integrity/articleshow/78084962.cms?from=mdr
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ries-can-teach-the-u-s-about-better-elections
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...be-illegal-heres-why/articleshow/78967007.cms
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...est-democracy-could-teach-the-worlds-largest/
https://digitalrepository.trincoll.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1810&context=theses
https://scholars.org/sites/scholars/files/ssn_key_findings_gerken_on_democracy_index.pdf
https://www.mironline.ca/how-americas-failing-electoral-system-will-shape-the-2020-election/
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-11-06/joe-biden-donald-trump-election-lessons
https://www.businessinsider.com/hard-vote-problems-america-democracy-2018-11?IR=T
https://www.deccanherald.com/opinion/is-america-becoming-a-failed-state-911935.html
https://theconversation.com/two-big...have-nothing-to-do-with-russian-hacking-86889
https://www.amazon.com/Fixing-Elections-Failure-Americas-Politics-ebook/dp/B000OT8C16
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/american-system-broken/616991/
https://www.lopinion.fr/edition/wsj/the-dangers-of-losing-faith-in-democracy-155526
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/16/america-flawed-democracy-five-key-areas

Anyway. I'll leave you to it.
I think shitting on Trump is more important to you than America's electoral integrity, and I don't think you can be reached through your unhealthy obsession with him.

I hope you get better.
Cheerio.
Shhhh

Russia hacked our election 4 years ago, but today they’re 100% fair and clear, get outta here with that fox news nonsense.
 
Sorry, dude. But the way you dismiss concerns about your shoddy elections and the lack of faith in the system with "can't convince Trumpers," is just too backwards and tribal to take seriously. Especially when it's not just "Trumpers" that I am talking about. I wasn't regurgitating - I was giving you the opportunity to read, since you'd clearly failed to.

Anyway. Your elections are obviously flawed. They're the weakest in the developed world. And that they lack integrity is not a "Trumper" opinion. It's a growing opinion, both in America and globally.
You're the one exhibiting the blinkered mindset you associate with Trump supporters.

Here you go. Mostly left-leaning opinions on the matter. A few international ones. And many that predate the 2020 elections, since you seem to think this came out of nowhere and is just being pushed by disappointed Trump voters.
I don't agree with all of them, but they at least illustrate that maybe both sides should stop treating election integrity like a partisan issue. Because, your electoral process looks bad.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA112-14.html
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...n-integrity/articleshow/78084962.cms?from=mdr
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ries-can-teach-the-u-s-about-better-elections
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...be-illegal-heres-why/articleshow/78967007.cms
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...est-democracy-could-teach-the-worlds-largest/
https://digitalrepository.trincoll.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1810&context=theses
https://scholars.org/sites/scholars/files/ssn_key_findings_gerken_on_democracy_index.pdf
https://www.mironline.ca/how-americas-failing-electoral-system-will-shape-the-2020-election/
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-11-06/joe-biden-donald-trump-election-lessons
https://www.businessinsider.com/hard-vote-problems-america-democracy-2018-11?IR=T
https://www.deccanherald.com/opinion/is-america-becoming-a-failed-state-911935.html
https://theconversation.com/two-big...have-nothing-to-do-with-russian-hacking-86889
https://www.amazon.com/Fixing-Elections-Failure-Americas-Politics-ebook/dp/B000OT8C16
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/american-system-broken/616991/
https://www.lopinion.fr/edition/wsj/the-dangers-of-losing-faith-in-democracy-155526
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/16/america-flawed-democracy-five-key-areas

Anyway. I'll leave you to it.
I think shitting on Trump is more important to you than America's electoral integrity, and I don't think you can be reached through your unhealthy obsession with him.

I hope you get better.
Cheerio.
Shitting on Trump because among other things, he tried to sabotage the elections by trying to sabotage the USPS so that Democrat voters would not get mail-in ballots. For a guy who feigns to actually care about election integrity you blatantly ignored how Trump has tried to rig the election and since Nov 3rd has been trying to over-turn the will of the voters with baseless accusations.

For a guy who feigns to care, you also have ignored how the GOP has been doing its best to depress Black voter turnout.

For a guy who feigns to care about election integrity, you sure ignored Lindsay Graham trying to throw away Biden votes.

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Our election integrity is fine, Homeland Security said this was the most secure elections ever. International observers said everything was fine. You on the other hand are peddling Trumper bullshit.

There are issues, as with any nation of over 330 million people and as geographically large as we are. But there wasn't any major attempts at fraud as claimed by the Trump camp.

There are major issues with US democracy but it is not from Democrats trying to cheat, it is from Republicans try to rig elections, trying to throw away Biden votes, trying to sabotage the USPS and Trump trying to carry out a coup.

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Even before the elections many Americans did / do feel the elections are rigged but not the way the Trump camp is claiming, rather people from the right, left and middle thought / think the 2-party system is inherently rigged.
 
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Poorly run elections are already evidence of a problem. Resisting transparency or shaming those who demand it - even if Trump's just being a difficult dick, and the demands for transparency are unreasonable on their face - also predictably looks really bad and undermines the "absolutely no evidence of fraud/illegitimacy" narrative.
America spends more on elections than any other developed nations, and yet their elections have amongst the lowest integrity in the developed world.

You're about on par with India, for fuck's sake. And not only do they have more voters than you even have people, some of those voters are so remote that goddamn elephants have to be used to transport voting machines to them.

Right? A nation that has streets set aside for shitting and that uses elephants to transport voting machines runs a smoother election than the United States of America, the world's richest country.
Like it. Don't like it. Whatever. But that's a massive red flag.



That is 3 times you've sent this strange, meaningless reply. Guess you must enjoy repetition:

Yeah... Not caring whether or not half the country believes in the legitimacy of your elections is really great for democracy.
Top notch stuff.

A third of independents and 16% of democrats also doubt the legitimacy of the elections, by the way.
I'm not sure why anyone thinks this is all fine.




<Lmaoo><Lmaoo> No, you don't. You might know South Africans who were escaping our dying economy or exploding crime rates.
But if they're telling you they fled "political violence" they're likely taking the piss. Making fun of and misleading Westerners is a bit of a local hobby. Sort of like when I used to tell people I accessed the internet via the only pc in my village, and that I would ride to school on an elephant to protect against lion attacks.

Funnily, I'm dating a women who went to Canada to earn her PhD. She couldn't stand what she described as people's inability to speak their minds or be genuine. In general, she could not stand the Canadian character, even going so far as to say that Canada was terrible for her mental health.
Do I think that means anything? Nope, lots of South Afrcians move to Canada and are perfectly happy there. Hell, Canada used to be on my short-list of potential destination. So, her interpretation is obviously a personal one.
All it means just that we've both got pointless anecdotes. Anecdotes that have nothing to do with how elections are run. Odd how you've managed to avoid the actual topic.
Yay for us.

Oh, and I'm not saying that there is not political violence. Just that you don't know "plenty" of people who fled it because I strongly doubt you know anyone who'd have been targeted by it.



Okay... Canada runs better elections than the US. So, what point do you think you're making about elections when you point out that more Canadians move to the country with worse elections?



<Lmaoo><Lmaoo><Lmaoo>
Dude, people flee my country because the elections are legitimate. The logic of your argument seems to be that we should never have given non-whites the vote. 'Cos back under the old regime, fewer people fled South Africa.
I didn't expect a Canadian to make a pro-apartheid argument. Methinks your position needs some more nuance.



I mean, this is just stupid.
You do know that voting is not actually about getting what you want.

You're describing the response to a comfortable country, not a legitimately democratic one.
Experience more; your bubble is small.
How much transparency is enough? Should every citizen be able to request a personal recount of every county in the country?
 
No fraud. A series of egregious errors by Trump cost him.
 
Full disclosure I’m not an American citizen nor have I ever been to the United States.

I personally don’t think fraud was involved more than any other election of the internet age. I think the voter fraud allegations are a desperation move by certain parties in order to either A, install the preferred candidate into power or B, make the transition of power as laborious as possible either out of spite or in hopes of an outside force placing the party back in power.

This maybe just a product of being an outsider but I do find it a little amusing that when Mr Trump won the 2016 election the left wing of the country accused him win to be the result of Russian collusion. Now Mr Biden has been elected many not all but many right wing outlets are claiming voter fraud.

It just seems very insulting to the American people, the public can elect who they want so don’t insult them by implying they can’t.
 
After weeks of declining to recognize Biden’s win, Mitch McConnell congratulates him for being the president-elect.

“Many of us hoped that the presidential election would yield a different result, but our system of government has processes to determine who will be sworn in on Jan. 20,” Mr. McConnell said in a speech on the Senate floor, after weeks of declining to recognize Mr. Biden’s win. “The Electoral College has spoken. So today, I want to congratulate President-elect Joe Biden.”

He also congratulated Senator Kamala Harris of California, referring to her as the vice president-elect.

“Beyond our differences, all Americans can take pride that our nation has a female vice president-elect for the very first time,” Mr. McConnell said.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/12/15/us/joe-biden-trump




Hey, guys, any thoughts on Mitch McConnell officially congratulating Joe Biden today and saying the country should be proud of having its first female Vice President, Kamala Harris?

Why is he lying to us? Is Mitch McConnell now part of the liberal media?
 
Given that the MSM has been attacking Trump for 4 years straight non stop, and that big tech this year has been banning and censoring all conservative accounts repeatedly and instead promoting liberal pages, I don’t see how you can think there isn’t some sort of fraud. Too much indicating points there was. I don’t think this is surprising though.

All politicians are crooked in some ways anyway, because they’re people like you and me. And humans aren’t perfect, no matter their title.
 
I believe there was fraud, but doesn't seem like it will prevail in court.
 
Just to be clear, from where I stand, every scrap of "evidence mass voter fraud" has turned out to be complete, utter bullshit so far...

As is illustrated by Trump's pathetic flopping in court.

That being said, a majority of Republicans are said to believe there WAS appreciable voter fraud.

I figured I'd run a WR poll to see.

Go ahead my homies, let your voices be heard.

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I'm not a republican or a Trumper, but I voted for him and believe that we had the usual amount/percentage of fraud.

The difference in this election was making it too easy for the lazy to vote - no one believes 80mil would show up and stand in line to vote for Joe. I'm just shocked that Trump made it as close as he did; he really turned out the vote.
 
I'm not a republican or a Trumper, but I voted for him and believe that we had the usual amount/percentage of fraud.

The difference in this election was making it too easy for the lazy to vote - no one believes 80mil would show up and stand in line to vote for Joe. I'm just shocked that Trump made it as close as he did; he really turned out the vote.

Yea, how dare we make exercising one of our basic fundamental rights convenient for people!
 
Dont matter what THINK, it matters what you can prove in court. He's what, O for his last 50 lawsuits?

"And its all over"-Mike Goldberg
 
If Trump could of just of just chilled for 2020, laid low, come off as more Presidential, he would of won this election in a landslide, Covid or no Covid, as many incumbents politicians have weathered this storm. But the dude just can't think past 2 minutes, can only think of Trump and what's good for him. He's a moron leading a smaller and smaller flock of moron sheep. He could of been President for another 4 years if he played it straight, listened to the odd voice that just didn't kiss his ass and told him reality instead of trying to reshape reality to fit his own ego view.
 
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