Opinion Poll: Trumpers, Was It Rigged?

[PHATV]

https://hereistheevidence.com/

The website above is everything relating to this election that is admissible in court. Its up to 952 but not are are verified, some are historical.

Here is a statistical analysis from a Yale/Princeton PHD where he states that about 45,000 Republican ballots were requested by another person and they were denied a vote. In the same analysis he states 45,000 Republican ballots were not counted (lost). This is PA

https://justthenews.com/sites/defau...nalyisPA_GOP_BallotRequestData_2020_Final.pdf

That is just one. The website was set up by Nick Sandmans lawyer who's currently in Georgia with Sydney Powell along with the Voter Integrity Project.

The krakens tentacles are beginning to show itself.

https://www.docdroid.com/e3rhDCz/complaint-cj-pearson-v-kemp-11252020-pdf

 

[cleetus]

But you're not smart enough to effectively communicate what should be a simple message.

Clear isn't it?

 

[MicroBrew]

I dunno hey.
I think you guys just voted for a figurehead in a set of dodgy-looking elections. And apparently a little under half of America thinks something similar.
Meaning, similarly to the last time out but worse, you're banking on a little under half the country being willing to accept a leader that they think obtained power illegitimately. Not a promising outlook for a nation whose government has a long-history of supporting dictators for the sake of profit.

I think you guys really need to work on being better at elections.

About about half the electorate is conservative or leans conservative, it is no big suprise that the vast majority of conservatives claim the election was rigged.

We don't care if Republicans accept Biden or not, the point is they can't do anything about it for 4 years. Biden may be a lame duck president, but atleast he isn't Trump. And odds are there will be another amnesty for illegals within 4 years. Amnesty or no amnesty, demographics is not looking rosy for Republicans.

 

[jeremyemilio]

I dunno hey.
I think you guys just voted for a figurehead in a set of dodgy-looking elections. And apparently a little under half of America thinks something similar.
Meaning, similarly to the last time out but worse, you're banking on a little under half the country being willing to accept a leader that they think obtained power illegitimately. Not a promising outlook for a nation whose government has a long-history of supporting dictators for the sake of profit.

I think you guys really need to work on being better at elections.

I'm Canadian.

Say what you will about the Americans, they're actually pretty great at running elections. We're talking about a country of 300,000,000 people, with large factions who hate each other. And yet they manage again and again to pull off these huge elections, sometimes really close ones and following prolonged and heated campaigns, and transfer power without blood running in the streets.

It's quite impressive, really.

PS: And you're really casting shade from South Africa?

 

[PrinceOfPain]

About about half the electorate is conservative or leans conservative, it is no big suprise that the vast majority of conservatives claim the election was rigged.

We don't care if Republicans accept Biden or not, the point is they can't do anything about it for 4 years. Biden may be a lame duck president, but atleast he isn't Trump. And odds are there will be another amnesty for illegals within 4 years. Amnesty or no amnesty, demographics is not looking rosy for Republicans.

Yeah... Not caring whether or not half the country believes in the legitimacy of your elections is really great for democracy.
Top notch stuff.

A third of independents and 16% of democrats also doubt the legitimacy of the elections, by the way.
I'm not sure why anyone thinks this is all fine.

I'm Canadian.

Say what you will about the Americans, they're actually pretty great at running elections. We're talking about a country of 300,000,000 people, with large factions who hate each other. And yet they manage again and again to pull off these huge elections, sometimes really close ones and following prolonged and heated campaigns, and transfer power without blood running in the streets.

It's quite impressive, really.

PS: And you're really casting shade from South Africa?

Nah, they really look like they run shitty elections.
They've got dead people on their voter rolls; people who've moved states are still eligible to vote in the state they left; they rolled out a massive change this year at the last minute, and somehow thought they wouldn't end up in the predictable position of having half the country doubting the election's validity (that's massive incompetence, pure and simple); they take an absolute age to count votes and they rely on people trusting the media that no one trusts, to cover for that fact by calling elections early and throwing the whole thing into needless confusion; they don't appear to have particularly stringent rules about independent observers; their media coverage does not appear to be independently monitored; and there is very little post-election transparency that doesn't cost millions.

That's not even mentioning burst water pipes, weird midnight ballot arrivals, the stop-start nature of their incredibly slow counting, and the weird "most secure elections in American history" statement which just sounded dodgy under the circumstances and probably did nothing but stir suspicion.
Also, the fact that politicians on both sides of the aisle have spent a lot of time casting doubt on the legitimacy of American elections is really fucking bad.

And yes, I am throwing shade from South Africa. Do you have a particular point of comparison with regards how we run our respective elections? Or are you just assuming SA does a bad job because we're a developing nation? By the same token, might you be assuming America does a good job simply because, as a rich nation, you think they're supposed to?
Cos, you didn't really mention a single valid point in defense of how badly they run their elections, and I'm not sure what you find impressive.

I strongly suspect that America runs the worst elections in the developed world. And their electoral integrity is probably comparable to ours.

 

[MicroBrew]

Yeah... Not caring whether or not half the country believes in the legitimacy of your elections is really great for democracy.
Top notch stuff.

A third of independents and 16% of democrats also doubt the legitimacy of the elections, by the way.
I'm not sure why anyone thinks this is all fine.

There is no sense in caring because Trumpers will never change their mind . Caring only is of use when the other side shows some semblance of concern for facts and the truth.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

There is no sense in caring because Trumpers will never change their mind . Caring only is of use when the other side shows some semblance of concern for facts and the truth.

Yeah... Not caring whether or not half the country believes in the legitimacy of your elections is really great for democracy.
Top notch stuff.

A third of independents and 16% of democrats also doubt the legitimacy of the elections, by the way.
I'm not sure why anyone thinks this is all fine.

 

[MicroBrew]

Yeah... Not caring whether or not half the country believes in the legitimacy of your elections is really great for democracy.
Top notch stuff.

A third of independents and 16% of democrats also doubt the legitimacy of the elections, by the way.
I'm not sure why anyone thinks this is all fine.

There is no sense in caring because Trumpers will never change their mind . Caring only is of use when the other side shows some semblance of concern for facts and the truth.

 

[deviake]

Just to be clear, from where I stand, every scrap of "evidence mass voter fraud" has turned out to be complete, utter bullshit so far...

As is illustrated by Trump's pathetic flopping in court.

That being said, a majority of Republicans are said to believe there WAS appreciable voter fraud.

I figured I'd run a WR poll to see.

Go ahead my homies, let your voices be heard.

Using this poll so you know who to add to your ignore list?

 

[PrinceOfPain]

There is no sense in caring because Trumpers will never change their mind . Caring only is of use when the other side shows some semblance of concern for facts and the truth.

I think you keep replying to someone else. This is what I said:

Yeah... Not caring whether or not half the country believes in the legitimacy of your elections is really great for democracy.
Top notch stuff.

A third of independents and 16% of democrats also doubt the legitimacy of the elections, by the way.
I'm not sure why anyone thinks this is all fine.

 

[HunterAcosta]

Yeah... Not caring whether or not half the country believes in the legitimacy of your elections is really great for democracy.
Top notch stuff.

A third of independents and 16% of democrats also doubt the legitimacy of the elections, by the way.
I'm not sure why anyone thinks this is all fine.



Nah, they really look like they run shitty elections.
They've got dead people on their voter rolls; people who've moved states are still eligible to vote in the state they left; they rolled out a massive change this year at the last minute, and somehow thought they wouldn't end up in the predictable position of having half the country doubting the election's validity (that's massive incompetence, pure and simple); they take an absolute age to count votes and they rely on people trusting the media that no one trusts, to cover for that fact by calling elections early and throwing the whole thing into needless confusion; they don't appear to have particularly stringent rules about independent observers; their media coverage does not appear to be independently monitored; and there is very little post-election transparency that doesn't cost millions.

That's not even mentioning burst water pipes, weird midnight ballot arrivals, the stop-start nature of their incredibly slow counting, and the weird "most secure elections in American history" statement which just sounded dodgy under the circumstances and probably did nothing but stir suspicion.
Also, the fact that politicians on both sides of the aisle have spent a lot of time casting doubt on the legitimacy of American elections is really fucking bad.

And yes, I am throwing shade from South Africa. Do you have a particular point of comparison with regards how we run our respective elections? Or are you just assuming SA does a bad job because we're a developing nation? By the same token, might you be assuming America does a good job simply because, as a rich nation, you think they're supposed to?
Cos, you didn't really mention a single valid point in defense of how badly they run their elections, and I'm not sure what you find impressive.

I strongly suspect that America runs the worst elections in the developed world. And their electoral integrity is probably comparable to ours.

To be fair not all those who cast shade on the election are doing so cause there is actual fuckery ( and problems in the process and voter fraud is not proof Of ELECTION fraud ) but rather cause a FB algorithm took them to an OAN rabbit hole where they saw a video of a van taking away bags in the night or a video where Soros was taken in handcuffs with a fake affidavit . It’s disingenuous to believe their doubt is cause of the process itself and not blame the court of social media, which lets face it , is the source of the allegations ( from Trump ) of mass demo controlled fraud . AND which major news outlet has reported mass fraud perpetrated by demo party ? BBC? Al Jazeera.? FOX? MSNBC? Reuters ? Yeah they’re all in on it but OAN and Newsmax are totally truth telling . Got it .

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Yeah... Not caring whether or not half the country believes in the legitimacy of your elections is really great for democracy.
Top notch stuff.

A third of independents and 16% of democrats also doubt the legitimacy of the elections, by the way.
I'm not sure why anyone thinks this is all fine.

It’s not fine, it’s a really big problem, especially when there is no significant evidence of illegitimacy.

 

[StoooV2]

Wheres the option for he rigged it and STILL lost?

 

[MicroBrew]

I think you keep replying to someone else. This is what I said:

Yeah... Not caring whether or not half the country believes in the legitimacy of your elections is really great for democracy.
Top notch stuff.

A third of independents and 16% of democrats also doubt the legitimacy of the elections, by the way.
I'm not sure why anyone thinks this is all fine.

That is 3 times now you have posted the same reply. So I am going to respond with the same reply a 3rd time:

There is no sense in caring because Trumpers will never change their mind . Caring only is of use when the other side shows some semblance of concern for facts and the truth.

 

[jeremyemilio]

Yeah... Not caring whether or not half the country believes in the legitimacy of your elections is really great for democracy.
Top notch stuff.

A third of independents and 16% of democrats also doubt the legitimacy of the elections, by the way.
I'm not sure why anyone thinks this is all fine.



Nah, they really look like they run shitty elections.
They've got dead people on their voter rolls; people who've moved states are still eligible to vote in the state they left; they rolled out a massive change this year at the last minute, and somehow thought they wouldn't end up in the predictable position of having half the country doubting the election's validity (that's massive incompetence, pure and simple); they take an absolute age to count votes and they rely on people trusting the media that no one trusts, to cover for that fact by calling elections early and throwing the whole thing into needless confusion; they don't appear to have particularly stringent rules about independent observers; their media coverage does not appear to be independently monitored; and there is very little post-election transparency that doesn't cost millions.

That's not even mentioning burst water pipes, weird midnight ballot arrivals, the stop-start nature of their incredibly slow counting, and the weird "most secure elections in American history" statement which just sounded dodgy under the circumstances and probably did nothing but stir suspicion.
Also, the fact that politicians on both sides of the aisle have spent a lot of time casting doubt on the legitimacy of American elections is really fucking bad.

And yes, I am throwing shade from South Africa. Do you have a particular point of comparison with regards how we run our respective elections? Or are you just assuming SA does a bad job because we're a developing nation? By the same token, might you be assuming America does a good job simply because, as a rich nation, you think they're supposed to?
Cos, you didn't really mention a single valid point in defense of how badly they run their elections, and I'm not sure what you find impressive.

I strongly suspect that America runs the worst elections in the developed world. And their electoral integrity is probably comparable to ours.

I live in Canada. I know of plenty of South Africans who have fled here to escape Political Violence there. Americans threaten to do that every election, but they never do. Even though they share a border with us, unlike South Africa which is on the other side of the world. In fact, the Canadians move to the US at a much, much higher rate than vice versa. I don't know of a lot of Canadians moving to South Africa.

Feels like your elections aren't working very well if people think that they need to move across the world to get change. And it feels like elections are working pretty well if people would rather stick it out for four years and vote than go packing up and moving off.

 

[Brampton_Boy]

Yes, I believe there was fraud.

Yes, I believe there's been fraud since day one of our Republic.

I am inclined to believe this.

Maybe I'm cynical, but I assume there is something unscrupulous about any vote - whether it be for president of the United States or parent council, people will bend the rules and do what it takes to win.

With that being said, I don't think there was anything specific to this election that resulted in a Biden win. Both democrats and republicans probably tried to cheat, but on aggregate, the person who was supposed to actually win was the victor.

I would be genuinely surprised if they manage to reveal wide spread and systemic fraud that robbed Trump of the win.

 

[WTF2008]

Biden and Trump are both...not great.

Obama had huge support but somehow Biden got more votes than him?

Could definitely be because the Trump hate is bigger than the Obama/Biden love. But questions do need to asked and answered.

There are way many more discrepancies in this election than the whole Trump/Russia bullshit.

 

[andnowweknow]

Biden and Trump are both...not great.

Obama had huge support but somehow Biden got more votes than him?

Could definitely be because the Trump hate is bigger than the Obama/Biden love. But questions do need to asked and answered.

There are way many more discrepancies in this election than the whole Trump/Russia bullshit.

Trump said there would be fraud for about a year leading up to election. That's why you think there are "discrepancies". You've been conned. Again.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Trump said there would be fraud for about a year leading up to election. That's why you think there are "discrepancies". You've been conned. Again.

Have you watch the latest Trump white house presscon?

 

[PrinceOfPain]

It’s not fine, it’s a really big problem, especially when there is no significant evidence of illegitimacy.

Poorly run elections are already evidence of a problem. Resisting transparency or shaming those who demand it - even if Trump's just being a difficult dick, and the demands for transparency are unreasonable on their face - also predictably looks really bad and undermines the "absolutely no evidence of fraud/illegitimacy" narrative.
America spends more on elections than any other developed nations, and yet their elections have amongst the lowest integrity in the developed world.

You're about on par with India, for fuck's sake. And not only do they have more voters than you even have people, some of those voters are so remote that goddamn elephants have to be used to transport voting machines to them.

Right? A nation that has streets set aside for shitting and that uses elephants to transport voting machines runs a smoother election than the United States of America, the world's richest country.
Like it. Don't like it. Whatever. But that's a massive red flag.

That is 3 times now you have posted the same reply. So I am going to respond with the same reply a 3rd time:

There is no sense in caring because Trumpers will never change their mind . Caring only is of use when the other side shows some semblance of concern for facts and the truth.

That is 3 times you've sent this strange, meaningless reply. Guess you must enjoy repetition:

Yeah... Not caring whether or not half the country believes in the legitimacy of your elections is really great for democracy.
Top notch stuff.

A third of independents and 16% of democrats also doubt the legitimacy of the elections, by the way.
I'm not sure why anyone thinks this is all fine.

. I know of plenty of South Africans who have fled here to escape Political Violence there.

<Lmaoo><Lmaoo> No, you don't. You might know South Africans who were escaping our dying economy or exploding crime rates.
But if they're telling you they fled "political violence" they're likely taking the piss. Making fun of and misleading Westerners is a bit of a local hobby. Sort of like when I used to tell people I accessed the internet via the only pc in my village, and that I would ride to school on an elephant to protect against lion attacks.

Funnily, I'm dating a women who went to Canada to earn her PhD. She couldn't stand what she described as people's inability to speak their minds or be genuine. In general, she could not stand the Canadian character, even going so far as to say that Canada was terrible for her mental health.
Do I think that means anything? Nope, lots of South Afrcians move to Canada and are perfectly happy there. Hell, Canada used to be on my short-list of potential destination. So, her interpretation is obviously a personal one.
All it means just that we've both got pointless anecdotes. Anecdotes that have nothing to do with how elections are run. Odd how you've managed to avoid the actual topic.
Yay for us.

Oh, and I'm not saying that there is not political violence. Just that you don't know "plenty" of people who fled it because I strongly doubt you know anyone who'd have been targeted by it.

Americans threaten to do that every election, but they never do. Even though they share a border with us, unlike South Africa which is on the other side of the world. In fact, the Canadians move to the US at a much, much higher rate than vice versa. I don't know of a lot of Canadians moving to South Africa.

Okay... Canada runs better elections than the US. So, what point do you think you're making about elections when you point out that more Canadians move to the country with worse elections?

Feels like your elections aren't working very well if people think that they need to move across the world to get change.

<Lmaoo><Lmaoo><Lmaoo>
Dude, people flee my country because the elections are legitimate. The logic of your argument seems to be that we should never have given non-whites the vote. 'Cos back under the old regime, fewer people fled South Africa.
I didn't expect a Canadian to make a pro-apartheid argument. Methinks your position needs some more nuance.

And it feels like elections are working pretty well if people would rather stick it out for four years and vote than go packing up and moving off.

I mean, this is just stupid.
You do know that voting is not actually about getting what you want.

You're describing the response to a comfortable country, not a legitimately democratic one.
Experience more; your bubble is small.