Media Poatan Shows Off Judo and Grappling

[AstralPanda]

Ah I didn't know, that what we saw when Izzy took Poatan down, we were actually being treated to two of the top grapplers in MMA going at it. I should have paid more attention to the intricate techniques being used by both of them, the subtle give and take, the dance of control and position, the amazing chess match that I didn't know was occurring, instead of just hoping they would go back to standup where I guess it turns out, maybe they are both just average? Missed opportunity for appreciating two great grappling artists at the peak of their powers.

What exactly are you expecting? Nobody said he was a world beater.

He looked solid on his back against Gastelum and almost caught him in a triangle.

He can grapple.

Someone like Galvao isn't handing out belts.

People have also been saying for years that Izzy is a white belt on the ground and obviously, some people still believe that. Which probably fuels this idea that Pereira can't grapple as well.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

To me, I think you're just being a bit biased towards guys who have an offensive BJJ game.

Very reminiscent of what people did towards Conor early on, who similarly focused primarily on position, defense and getting back to his feet.

I think if you've been training that long, the take is a bit questionable, or perhaps you need to go watch those fights again.

Not much really happened against Izzy, he just focused on defense, turtling and holding on until the end of the round. Izzy himself is a purple belt under Andre Galvao, people act like he's a bum on the ground and for Izzy to have any success shows that Poatan is as well. Which is just a weak take.

Against Jan, he defended everything very well. About as well as you can do in that situation, mitigated damage, controlled wrists, protected his neck well, reversed position several times. Basically nothing Jan did was effective and ended up with Pereira on his feet again. Jan himself is a black belt who's been training Jiu Jitsu for 15+ years. He did better than Izzy on the ground.

When you say he almost got submitted by Jan, that takes away a lot of credibility from your opinion, because at no point was he even close to getting submitted.

Overall, It seems like you're biased towards guys who are more offensively based. A lot of MMA fighters train this sort of style which focuses on position, defense and getting back to the feet.

Chuck Liddell has been in his camps, so it's not surprising that's what he's focused on, it makes the most sense for his style.

You can't really project what takes place in a Jiu Jitsu gym into a fight. It's a different game.

You're over thinking it. Izzy and Jan aren't very good grapplers. Never have been never will be and there were times when Poatan looked lost against both. He's a survivalist. Works in today's era of week grappling but wouldn't be enough against the grappling beats of the previous generations.

 

[Poirierfan]

He's been training with some of the best in grappling. Also got a yellow belt and a nice reacharound from Olympic Judo champion Kayla Harrison

I hope this isn't fighter bashing, but Kayla looks like a dude in a wig, and I can't unsee it.

 

[AstralPanda]

You're over thinking it. Izzy and Jan aren't very good grapplers. Never have been never will be and there were times when Poatan looked lost against both. He's a survivalist. Works in today's era of week grappling but wouldn't be enough against the grappling beats of the previous generations.

I think you're under thinking it, tbh.

You're making very broad, general statements and ignoring the finer details.

If this was a Jiu Jitsu match, you'd see something different. A defensive style makes a lot of sense when your entire goal and strategy is keeping the fight on the feet.

With Chuck Liddell in his camps at times, it's not surprising. It makes the most sense for his style.

Conor had a similar style, it doesn't mean he couldn't grapple. Saying he's just a survivalist comes off as ignorant to MMA.

If he wasted energy to pull off all these offensive moves, you'd probably rate his Jiu Jitsu higher, which says that you're missing the point.

But this is MMA, not a Jiu Jitsu class.

 

[AstralPanda]

You're over thinking it. Izzy and Jan aren't very good grapplers. Never have been never will be and there were times when Poatan looked lost against both. He's a survivalist. Works in today's era of week grappling but wouldn't be enough against the grappling beats of the previous generations.

I'd like you to show me some examples with specific detail of where he looked lost against both Izzy and Jan.

To me that suggests you aren't analyzing those moments very well, or you're remembering the heat of the moment view and need to go back and watch it Again.

It's pretty obvious what he was doing. Against Izzy, defending strikes, turtling, holding on and essentially stalling until the end of the round. Clear strategy, and instruction from glover who was in his corner.

Against Jan, he had improved exponentially on the ground and essentially defended everything Jan did, defended submissions, defended strikes near perfectly, managed to reverse and end up on his feet.

You even said he almost got submitted. There was no point where he was almost submitted.

Where in your mind was he lost there? From a defensive standpoint, what could he have done better there?

I'm not over thinking, you're just overlooking basic details and forgetting that this is a fight. Not a Jiu Jitsu match.

Izzy can grapple, hes a purple belt under Galvao and looked good off his back against Gastelum. Almost catching him in a triangle. Jan has been training Jiu Jitsu for 15+ years and he's been a black belt for a while.

Saying those guys can't grapple also comes off as ignorant.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

I'd like you to show me some examples with specific detail of where he looked lost against both Izzy and Jan.

To me that suggests you aren't analyzing those moments very well, or you're remembering the heat of the moment view and need to go back and watch it Again.

It's pretty obvious what he was doing. Against Izzy, defending strikes, turtling, holding on and essentially stalling until the end of the round. Clear strategy, and instruction from glover who was in his corner.

Against Jan, he had improved exponentially on the ground and essentially defended everything Jan did, defended submissions, defended strikes near perfectly, managed to reverse and end up on his feet.

You even said he almost got submitted. There was no point where he was almost submitted.

Where in your mind was he lost there? From a defensive standpoint, what could he have done better there?

I'm not over thinking, you're just overlooking basic details and forgetting that this is a fight. Not a Jiu Jitsu match.

Izzy can grapple, hes a purple belt under Galvao and looked good off his back against Gastelum. Almost catching him in a triangle. Jan has been training Jiu Jitsu for 15+ years and he's been a black belt for a while.

Saying those guys can't grapple also comes off as ignorant.

 

[AstralPanda]

17 year grappler..apparently

But can't produce a counter argument to basic points and acting like a child.

I think you've proven how seriously you can be taken.

Bottom line is, you aren't analyzing those moments or his jitsu properly. Making sweeping generalizations and ignoring finer details as it pertains to mma.

I asked you how do you think he could've done better in his defense against Jan. No response.

You're also committed to this idea that Jan is a bad grappler, in spite of being a black belt with 15+ years of experience.

You aren't surviving against the pressure Jan put on him while being lost on the ground. Everything Alex did was purposeful and he defended both the strikes/ subs very well and managed to reverse/ stand up a few times at crucial moments.

 

[Simple Southerner]

But but he hasn't fought a wrestler & has been fast tracked into world titles

 

[SuperAlly]

He's been training with some of the best in grappling. Also got a yellow belt and a nice reacharound from Olympic Judo champion Kayla Harrison

That’s a man in a wig

 

[legcramp]

I hope this isn't fighter bashing, but Kayla looks like a dude in a wig, and I can't unsee it.

If you had to, Kayla Harrison or Cyborg?

 

[Uber_Noober]

Poatan by arm bar is born

 

[humdizzle]

I hope this isn't fighter bashing, but Kayla looks like a dude in a wig, and I can't unsee it.

lmao one the comments was "what? alex is gay?"

 

[Poirierfan]

If you had to, Kayla Harrison or Cyborg?

Lol, please help me God.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Izzy is a purple belt under Andre Galvao

One of the best competitive bjj practitioners of all time at his peak.

There's another myth, that Izzy can't grapple either.

Izzy and Alex are good mma bjj guys. All bjj belts have a wide range of skill diversity.

 

[dog y]

Potatoman can't grapple for shit vs grappling specialists. Stop spamming this board with every stupid little video clip of him "doing something". If he had a pure grappling match with someone like Anthony Smith or Paul Craig he'd get twisted into a pretzel. Even Ryan Spann would submit him.

No. Sod off bugger.
GOATAN

 

[dog y]

What exactly are you expecting? Nobody said he was a world beater.

He looked solid on his back against Gastelum and almost caught him in a triangle.

He can grapple.

Someone like Galvao isn't handing out belts.

People have also been saying for years that Izzy is a white belt on the ground and obviously, some people still believe that. Which probably fuels this idea that Pereira can't grapple as well.

That'd be a fun grappling match. Poatan would uchi mata adesanya, who would likely cry

 

[Nobru]

Alex is learning some basic moves on the mat. His goal is to try and neutralize his opponents when taken down and to able to defend himself there. For someone who seems to have started this type of training not long ago, he showed some decent improvements in the Jan fight. Basic stuff, but he looked better than against Izzy on the mat, who has a worse jitz than Jan.

Hes not looking to submit anyone, to play guard or anything alike. Hes a standup guy who knows people WILL take him down. Thus, hes being trained (a) by Glover, not to be a slouch when it gets there, and (b) by Chuck, exactly to avoid being in such position in as much as possible. If someone is wobled he wont choke him, but rather sleep him with punches.

 

[Ryoto Machida]

Can we just give some love to Glover? What a great dude and amazing coach

 

[IronGolem007]

He's been training jiu jitsu for 7+ years. No idea why people are so convinced that he can't grapple.

He did everything right defensively against Jan. But people are just convinced he's a white belt.

Another thing about Poatan is the way he just vibes with everybody.

So many of his opponents flock to be around him and learn from him.

You can tell the dude just has good energy, as coaches everybody, Glover also has good energy.

Aside from being technical and great fighters, they are great friends.

 

[TITS]

No. Sod off bugger.
GOATAN

Potatoman, I says.
Bugger off, thou globby bottle of cheap stinking chip oil.