Poatan moves to 3rd place tie for LHW Title wins

[TheNewGame]

Rumble got subbed by Koscheck, Belfort, Clementi

Jiri was KOd by a welterweight, KOd by King Mo, and submitted by Abdul-Kerim Edilov.

Belfort almost submitted Jon Jones a few months after submitting Rumble.

Beating the LHW champion will always be more impressive

Rumble and Gus were both more dominant against a prime Glover than Jiri was against the old 42 year old at the end of his career.

 

[jitzmonkey]

DC at LHW is 7-1-1

Wins over

Barista Cummins who was a part-time fighter
Post-TRT ban Hendo
Rumble x2
Gus
Short notice, off the couch past prime Anderson
Volkan

Rumble, Gus and Volkan are his only notable wins at LHW and Gus was a razor close, evenly fought SD FOTY candidate. He was always a paper champ at the weight too since Bones was the lineal #1. DC isn't anywhere close to the 2nd greatest LHW.

That’s a fair argument against; but who would you put above him in the #2 spot.

 

[chinarice]

Dude gets rocked like every fight, even against a gassed 42 year old Glover right before Glover gave the fight away going for the guillotine. No way he survives Rumble.

Couldn't even put away glass channel arlovski but ok

 

[TheNewGame]

Couldn't even put away glass channel arlovski but ok

That's HW though, but anyways Arlovski had quite a few fights where he was able to absorb bombs, including against the current champ.

 

[chinarice]

That's HW though, but anyways Arlovski had quite a few fights where he was able to absorb bombs, including against the current champ.

Pretty sure Jiri is literally known for doing that. (Ability to absorb shots minus Alex) Would I be surprised if Rumble put him away and even did it early? Not really but I also wouldn't be surprised if Jiri did his thing and forced Rumble to shoot and maybe get TKO'ed or subbed.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

How do you have that many posts since 2017 and know so little?

You trying to argue Gus had the shortest prime in mma history he was 32 and the number one contender having just got beat by Jones again. Only had 23 fights by then and 8 of those were in regionals so it not that he took too much damage either. This is so stupid.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

Jiri was KOd by a welterweight, KOd by King Mo, and submitted by Abdul-Kerim Edilov.

Belfort almost submitted Jon Jones a few months after submitting Rumble.


Rumble and Gus were both more dominant against a prime Glover than Jiri was against the old 42 year old at the end of his career.

42 year old Glover beat Smith bad who again beat a 32 year old prime Gus.

Fact is Glover got better with age. By your logic Glover was 37 well past him prime when Gus was able to beat him too. Even his rumble loss was 36 Gus was fucking retired at this age.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

And Jiri got KTFO by King Mo LOL. Gus lost to Smith very late in his career well beyond his best years.

You gotta be retarded to think these guys are not very evenly matched. Neither one is much better than the other.

But if I had to bet on it, I would take Gus to win.

Well you'd loose alot of money but I'm sure it be a fun fight like Rountree or Glover or Reyes but it ends the same. Sure Jiri lost to mo THEN he got better and won more fights what did Gus do after his loss, cry, lose more and quit.
Gus ain't no warrior that's why there's a poster here saying Gus aged out of his prime at 32! While having so few wars.

 

[Söze Aldo]

What works against Poatan for me in these GOAT convos is the fact that he hasn’t had to do much to get these title shots. Yes, it’s still impressive that he’s beaten the guys he has.

But Chuck Liddell had a 10 fight win streak that included beating Monson, Randleman, Guy Mezger, Bustamante, Vitor Belfort, and Babalu before he got his first LHW TS.

Poatan just had to beat an old Jan Blachowicz to get his shot, because of his being a former MW champ, which he once again didn’t have to do much to get that TS because of his history with Izzy.

Then you’ve gotta decide how to factor in things like PRIDE not making every fight a title defense. Shogun, for example: was on a 4 fight win streak before entering the 2005 GP, where he beat Rampage, Little Nog, Overeem, and Arona to win his title. He then won his next 4 fights (Diabate, Randleman, Nakamura, and Overeem again) but none of those are technically title defenses.

Poatan’s title defense stats are good, but his overall LHW resume is just not nearly as deep as others.

I mean GSP fought for the title in his 3rd UFC fight, Silva won the MW belt in his 2nd UFC fight, Brock Lesner won the title in his 3rd UFC fight. The UFC has historically allowed some guys ahead of the line if they saw potential in them.

 

[JKS]

Well you'd loose alot of money but I'm sure it be a fun fight like Rountree or Glover or Reyes but it ends the same. Sure Jiri lost to mo THEN he got better and won more fights what did Gus do after his loss, cry, lose more and quit.
Gus ain't no warrior that's why there's a poster here saying Gus aged out of his prime at 32! While having so few wars.

So what exactly does Jiri does so much better lol?? How do you see him beating Gus??

From what I see, Gus is no question the better boxer and certainly has the wrestling advantage. He's no question the better defensive fighter. He could change levels and take him down in between. And it's like Jiri has more power or anything.

So how does Jiri win this?? How??

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

So what exactly does Jiri does so much better lol?? How do you see him beating Gus??

From what I see, Gus is no question the better boxer and certainly has the wrestling advantage. He's no question the better defensive fighter. He could change levels and take him down in between. And it's like Jiri has more power or anything.

So how does Jiri win this?? How??

Heart. Jiri will do something aggressive at some point and Gus will fold like he's done threw out his career he's retired in his early 30s because of this. He couldn't even get to 20 wins in his career and accomplished nothing every ufc LHW champion is better than him even if he was lucky enough to get a win over them.

And another thing I didn't mention before Jiri lost to king mo after a war with Nemkov on the same night. Gus had months to prepare for Smith at 32 "which is very late in his career" but everyone else is just starting at that time.

 

[JKS]

Heart. Jiri will do something aggressive at some point and Gus will fold like he's done threw out his career he's retired in his early 30s because of this. He couldn't even get to 20 wins in his career and accomplished nothing every ufc LHW champion is better than him even if he was lucky enough to get a win over them.

Heart, that's the best you can come up with? Thanks, I'll stick to Gus beating him.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

Heart, that's the best you can come up with? Thanks, I'll stick to Gus beating him.

Gus the great, who was a geriatric at 30 since he never won after that. There's no version of jiri that trains for months and loses to Smith.

The best win of Gus life is Glover at 37, while Gus at 35 could last two minutes with Nikita who was 0-2 after being choked out by Paul Craig.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

What works against Poatan for me in these GOAT convos is the fact that he hasn’t had to do much to get these title shots. Yes, it’s still impressive that he’s beaten the guys he has.

But Chuck Liddell had a 10 fight win streak that included beating Monson, Randleman, Guy Mezger, Bustamante, Vitor Belfort, and Babalu before he got his first LHW TS.

Poatan just had to beat an old Jan Blachowicz to get his shot, because of his being a former MW champ, which he once again didn’t have to do much to get that TS because of his history with Izzy.

Then you’ve gotta decide how to factor in things like PRIDE not making every fight a title defense. Shogun, for example: was on a 4 fight win streak before entering the 2005 GP, where he beat Rampage, Little Nog, Overeem, and Arona to win his title. He then won his next 4 fights (Diabate, Randleman, Nakamura, and Overeem again) but none of those are technically title defenses.

Poatan’s title defense stats are good, but his overall LHW resume is just not nearly as deep as others.

Yes, title fight wins/defenses are always a great accomplishment (because in a title fight you're usually fighting the next best man or at least another elite fighter) but they are not the end all be all.

Resume>Title defenses

Just like you said, guys like Chuck and Shogun have so many quality wins, much more than Poatan. When Shogun beat four Top 10 opponents in one year in 2005, those wins are every bit as good as Poatan's World Title fights.

 

[JKS]

Gus the great, who was a geriatric at 30 since he never won after that. There's no version of jiri that trains for months and loses to Smith.

LOL, you have yet to come up with any legit reason on how Jiri beats Gus. Nothing in term of skills or gameplan.

You're relaying on some fight late in Gustaffsons career but ignoring the great performances he had blasting guys like Glover.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

LOL, you have yet to come up with any legit reason on how Jiri beats Gus. Nothing in term of skills or gameplan.

You're relaying on some fight late in Gustaffsons career but ignoring the great performances he had blasting guys like Glover.

Glover was 37 there and has said he over trained too much those years. Gus great win is over a guy with more mileage than him and older than his "late career" from 31-35 losses to Smith and Krylov.

 

[JKS]

Glover was 37 there and has said he over trained too much those years. Gus great win is over a guy with more mileage than him and older than his "late career" from 31-35 losses to Smith and Krylov.

And yet Glover was able to go 7-1 after that, win the LHW title. Yeah, he was really "shot"

You gotta take it easy my friend, with all the mental gymnastics you're doing you're gonna get a brain aneurysm. LOL. And yet, you can't come up with one legit reason Jiri beats Gus.

 

[chinarice]

Jiri was KOd by a welterweight, KOd by King Mo, and submitted by Abdul-Kerim Edilov.

Belfort almost submitted Jon Jones a few months after submitting Rumble.


Rumble and Gus were both more dominant against a prime Glover than Jiri was against the old 42 year old at the end of his career.

None of this is relevant to a Jiri vs Rumble matchup. If Rumble can't starch Jiri, he's probably getting murdered but likely giving up immediately, meaning he's turtling for a TKO or giving up that RNC if he doesn't put Jiri away inside 5 minutes.

Rumble was the definition of a front runner. Jiri is the exact opposite.

 

[Rubios]

#1 Jon Jones 14-0 (1nc )
#2 Tito 6- 2
#3 (tied) Frank Shamrock 5-0
Poatan 5-1
Chuck 5-2

#6 DC 4-1 (1nc)
#7 Randy 3-3
#8 tied Rampage, Machida, Jan : 2 wins


If my math and memory is correct

Potential is 6-2 overall in title fights counting his MW run, which is tied with DC

He is at this point beginning to knock on the door of GOAT territory as 3x champ, 2 division champ and 6 title fight wins.

Not quite there yet imo, but another win or two and he is in the peripheral region of GOATs talks...
If by some miracle he won a HW title fight that might put him in Conversation for proper GOAT, but that is a very tall order



He joins GSP and Randy (5x) as 3x champs


6 title wins still trails

Jones 16/(17)
Gsp 13
MM 12
Anderson 11
Nunes 11
Schev 10
Hughes 9
Aldo 8 + 3 WEC
Izzy 7
Volk 7

Doesn't Izzy have 8?

 

[jeff7b9]

Doesn't Izzy have 8?

Indeed he does. Thanks will update.