Poatan is not big enough for 205.

chinarice said:
Anderson Silva did not look outsized against Forrest and Bonnar at 205 and he's smaller than Pereira.

He's gonna look like he is a 205'er when the time comes
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Of course Silva "looked" outsized by Griffin, as Rich Franklin did.
Maybe some dont really know what they are looking at
 
LHW sucks, so there are a lot of fights that they could put him in for favorable matchups. Eventually, a 205 grappler will beat him if he wins the championship, but he has a lot of opportunities for easy wins.
 
pankrat said:
I already adressed how irrelevant it is the alleged "out of the cage" weight. It seems is hard for you to grasp. Ánimo.

Regarding his in-cage weight which is what matters, it's reported at 211lbs. That's very light by modern LHW standards, when some get over 230lbs IN fighting shape, in the cage, not in walk around weight or gym pics, a big difference that you seem too slow to grasp. Yeah not extremely undersized but definitely not big at LHW, which is why he was able to succesfully and consitently compete at 185lbs being well into his 30s. Period. Educate yourself and learn what a fact is.
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Thats MW fight weight tho, if he bounces back up to 230's range then he can be a solid 220lbs on fight night not killing himself to make 185lbs, this isnt Paddy Pimblett going on a food rampage after fighting, he already competed as high as 100kg in KB iirc, thats like 220lbs and he wanted to fight at HW back then.
 
El Fernas said:
Thats MW fight weight tho, if he bounces back up to 230's range then he can be a solid 220lbs on fight night not killing himself to make 185lbs, this isnt Paddy Pimblett going on a food rampage after fighting, he already competed as high as 100kg in KB iirc, thats like 220lbs and he wanted to fight at HW back then.
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Rich Franklin used to weight in the cage at 207lbs as a MW, and 211 as a LHW
Hendo or Machida didnt oscilate that much in between weight classes neither.

Pereira fought at 187lbs for the most part of his kickboxing career. Only for a couple of fights he did at LHW (210lbs in Glory).

Pereira is a striker who likes to be lean in fighting shape. Yes, of course he could bulk up like crazy, anybody can, but would be counterproductive for him.

Paulo Costa, who weights heavier than Pereira as a MW, was 220lbs for his LHW bout.
I agree Pereira could be around 215-220lbs in fight night, which is decent size for a LHW, and benefit from not having to dehydrate as much.
 
dalegordon said:
The dude is a huge man, frame is massive. He is leaner I agree which means he could easily put on fat and compete higher i.e. heavyweight.
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Yeah, you can say so from anybody who is tall. Neil Magny can also put fat like crazy and become a HW.
You show not much of a clue with that logic.
 
pankrat said:
Yeah, you can say so from anybody who is tall. Neil Magny can also put fat like crazy and become a HW.
You show not much of a clue with that logic.
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absolute fool. Frame, frameeeeeeee. Read. If someone has a large frame they can fill it out. Alex is 230 at the moment and still ripped, magny probably 190 and isn't ripped. So a large framed man carrying little body fat can easily make 265, infact he is a heavyweight right now. Completely incomparable. Find any UFC fighter walking around 230 plus ripped that isn't a heavyweight.
 
dalegordon said:
absolute fool. Frame, frameeeeeeee. Read. If someone has a large frame they can fill it out. Alex is 230 at the moment and still ripped, magny probably 190 and isn't ripped. So a large framed man carrying little body fat can easily make 265, infact he is a heavyweight right now. Completely incomparable. Find any UFC fighter walking around 230 plus ripped that isn't a heavyweight.
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Magny is definitely ripped. Even more so than Pereira. You can say he has the frame of a LHW if he "fills it out". Like a retard

Alex at 230 isnt ripped, otherwise he would not be able to be 211 in fighting shape and cut an extra 25lbs from there, as he has been doong for many many years.

This is basic understanding of the human body, but if you prefer to keep going by textbo sherBRO eye tests, you do you
 
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pankrat said:
Magny is definitely ripped. Even more so than Pereira.

Alex at 230 isnt ripped, otherwise he would be able to be 211 in fighting shape and cut an extra 25lbs from there, as he has been doong for many many years.

This is basic understanding of the human body, but if you prefer to keep going by textbo sherBRO eye tests, you do you
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Lol body composition are completely different on both fighters. Alex carries little fat, probs around 15-17 percent body fat at most. He is 6ft 4. His fat free amount of mass is 190-195 which is zero percent body fat. Put into perspective 300lbs bodybuilders cut to 240 with similar numbers at 4-5 percent rather than 0. Magny at 230 would have a gut. Literally completely different. At least use a light heavyweight as an example who carries similar frame i.e. Jon Jones/Gustafson who both aren't as ripped as Alex is at 230 when they are 205.
 
dalegordon said:
Lol body composition are completely different on both fighters. Alex carries little fat, probs around 15-17 percent body fat at most. He is 6ft 4. His fat free amount of mass is 190-195 which is zero percent body fat. Put into perspective 300lbs bodybuilders cut to 240 with similar numbers at 4-5 percent rather than 0. Magny at 230 would have a gut. Literally completely different. At least use a light heavyweight as an example who carries similar frame i.e. Jon Jones/Gustafson who both aren't as ripped as Alex is at 230 when they are 205.
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Magny should/could be a LHW according to your simpleton frame based theory, which ignores that there are indeed different body compositiom which also refer to thickness - and not relative to an excess of fat - since we live in 3 dimensions and not 2, as sherbros seem to believe based on these ultra simpleton eye tests you deliver.

Alex at 230 is carrying extra weight. Period. Just like many WW can walk around at 210 - not necesarilly with a gut - yet it dont make them LHWs.

Otherwise Alex would not be able to be 210lbs in fighting shape and then cut 25lbs extra. Period. No debate.

Jones/Gustafsson would not be able to make 185lbs. Maybe theu could in their very early 20s for a couple of times but not for dozens and dozens times as Pereira has been doing in his fighting career until well into his 30s. Period. There is no sherBRO eye test that will deny such evidence
 
pankrat said:
Magny should/could be a LHW according to your simpleton frame based theory, which ignores that there are indeed different body compositiom which also refer to thickness - and not relative to an excess of fat - since we live in 3 dimensions and not 2, as sherbros seem to believe based on these ultra simpleton eye tests you deliver.

Alex at 230 is carrying extra weight. Period. Just like many WW can walk around at 210 - not necesarilly with a gut - yet it dont make them LHWs.

Otherwise Alex would not be able to be 210lbs in fighting shape and then cut 25lbs extra. Period. No debate.

Jones/Gustafsson would not be able to make 185lbs. Maybe theu could in their very early 20s for a couple of times but not for dozens and dozens times as Pereira has been doing in his fighting career until well into his 30s. Period. There is no sherBRO eye test that will deny such evidence
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Anybody can make heavyweight if they gain fat, Alex could be a fit in shape athletic looking heavyweight without an issue. Just name some light heavyweights who looks like him at 230. 6ft 4 is the key, he carries his 230 mass well with little body fat. Cutting to 185 was horrible for him. 205 is comfortable and at heavyweight he would cut no weight i.e. stipe/werdum (who poatan has an equal of not bigger frame than these two) and would have a reach and height advantage over a majority of heavyweights. The point is, poatan is at his right weight class at this very moment 205, however to suggest he is too small as the thread says is silly as my point which is quite obvious is that he could be an ok sized heavyweight. So how is he too small for light heavy? Makes no sense what so ever.
 
dalegordon said:
Anybody can make heavyweight if they gain fat, Alex could be a fit in shape athletic looking heavyweight without an issue. Just name some light heavyweights who looks like him at 230. 6ft 4 is the key, he carries his 230 mass well with little body fat. Cutting to 185 was horrible for him. 205 is comfortable and at heavyweight he would cut no weight i.e. stipe/werdum (who poatan has an equal of not bigger frame than these two) and would have a reach and height advantage over a majority of heavyweights. The point is, poatan is at his right weight class at this very moment 205, however to suggest he is too small as the thread says is silly as my point which is quite obvious is that he could be an ok sized heavyweight. So how is he too small for light heavy? Makes no sense what so ever.
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I agree he is not small for LHW, but not big neither. And definitely small for HW doesnt matter his 6'4" because of his skinny body type, regardless of how athletic he "looks" to you or how much his build impresses you.

Because a legit HW could not make 185 as many times as he did. Period. He competed in that weight class for the majority of his kickboxing career too. Those are plenty of bouts.

Mention any legit HW who could have competed at 185lbs consistently from his early 20s to his late 30s. You can't because legit sized HWs are guys who, even several inches shorter than Pereira, are naturally much thicker, which you would realize being next to them or grappling with them rather than looking at a pic.
 
Welterskelter said:
"Too big for 185", "too small for 205". Which is it?
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lol you do realize that's 20 lbs difference, right?

That's the difference between a FW fighting a Flyweight

Plenty of fighters have been around Franklinweight (195); not big enough for LHW but a little too big for MW)

Its the same at LW. People have been asking for a 165 lbs division forever
 
welcometohavoc said:
lol you do realize that's 20 lbs difference, right?

That's the difference between a FW fighting a Flyweight

Plenty of fighters have been around Franklinweight (195); not big enough for LHW but a little too big for MW)

It’s the same at LW. People have been asking for a 165 lbs division forever
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“Did you see the size of the fella? Dude's a giant. Who let this guy in?” -Robert Whittaker
Pereira’s won kickboxing titles at LHW. I don’t think size will be an issue at all. It will come down to his mma skills.
 
Lhw suits him better, I can’t believe how he managed to make 185.

That said, all the wars and tough weight cuts are hard on your body. He’s 36, not a spring chicken by any means. I don’t see him holding the belt.
 
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