Pit bull attacked my dog

[Pwent]

TS, that guy is lucky you're not John Wick

I lold, nice reference

 

[2DUM2TAP]

Ours was a tri-coloured... so it was mostly black with white and brown spots. It was for the most part a great family dog, so I don't mean to paint the breed in a bad light, but it definitely needed a watchful owner. This dog just had its quirks I guess.

Could be.... or it could be the breed. I'm not an expert, just going by what I experienced and what the breeder told us when we were trying to determine what type of dog to get. Maybe we just lucked out and got the docile ones.

The ones I've had I would put in the same category as Lab's and Retrievers.... High energy but very playfull, smart and friendly.

 

[2DUM2TAP]

think I went to HS with one of the girls in that pic

lol

Which one and did you bang bro?

 

[scrubido]

what is the difference?

One is a people, one is a dog.

 

[CubicleGangster]

Which one and did you bang bro?

the one holding the leash

and no, if she's who I am thinking of.... snaggletoothed ho

 

[Pwent]

I'm glad the dog was ok, but your expectation for years of dog training is just stupid. Keep it on a leash and keep it under control. That's it. A guy I know has one of the meanest pits I've ever seen. He knows that though and keeps a choker on the dog. It doesn't take years of experience to keep a dog on a leash

Yeah that'd work if the owner was capable of not making a mistake 100% of the time, but you are fully relying on having no human error. If he loses control of the leash once, or the dog gets out of his house once or a playful dog runs up to him... Yeah

It's not that hard to train a dog off the leash, i keep mine leashed in public but i go hiking and let her run free, she orbits me within a 10-20 yard radius and heels the first time I whistle, even when she sees something she wants to go after (which is usually why you're calling a dog). Untrained Pit bulls are too dangerous to depend on "I'll never make a mistake and let the leash slip from my hand, even if i trip and fall or whatever"

 

[MusterX]

The most aggressive dog I have ever seen was a $10,000+ guard dog that had 3 years of professional training before being purchased.

The owner was a retired musician who had a recording studio in his mansion.

The dog was a black German Sheppard that was about 100#s. When you would first go to it's house, it's owner would introduce you to it and you would shake it's hand. If you were in the studio, and wanted to go to a private room to use the phone etc. the owner would tell the dog where to go and it would escort you. If you were on the property and had not been introduced to the dog, it would attempt to kill you. I saw a few people barely escape with their lives. I also saw the owner wife sick it on another dog, which it killed.

I was amazed at how well it was trained, but I was also petrified of the dog.

It makes me think of how screwed up it would have been to be a human 10,000 years ago and dealing with a pack of giant wolves that were far more violence prone and deadly than the German Shepard you are talking about.

 

[irish_thug]

It makes me think of how screwed up it would have been to be a human 10,000 years ago and dealing with a pack of giant wolves that were far more violence prone and deadly than the German Shepard you are talking about.

And to think dogs evolved out of those packs of wolves that would follow our ancestors around.

 

[Pwent]

It makes me think of how screwed up it would have been to be a human 10,000 years ago and dealing with a pack of giant wolves that were far more violence prone and deadly than the German Shepard you are talking about.

While I'm fully aware that a wolf would easily fuck my shit up if I was unarmed, like most animals they are cans against someone with a spear. They have to come in at you, so as long as you keep the point between you and it, and thrust (not slash) it can't get you without impaling itself. They usually aren't master strategists either, and attack in straight lines

A pack of wolves could get a lone spearman but humans traveled in packs also

 

[Quipling]

Something I posted in another thread on pit aggresion:

Pits are a frequent biter (as I'll discuss, they account for slightly above average for the % of the population they make up), but the study [you] keep citing notably left off labradors, which bite more people. In fact, it is entirely limited to molossers, of which pits are by far the most common breed. Basically, it's a study that shows that of a set of dog breeds for which pits are most common, pits bite the most. It's not a big wonder that pits top the results, especially since there is no controlling for % population in the study, except where it fits the narrative that pits are the devil. (In fact, even this is poorly done - they make the point that pits are more likely to attack adult humans than children, as if other dogs being more likely to attack children is somehow to be preferred).


A more useful study would compare bite frequency to % population. Pits bite slightly above average for the % they may up - they are about 6% of the pop, and are reported for 8% of severe bites. That's more than average, but not absurdly so to the point that it justifies the claims being made, especially when you consider that large dog bites are almost uniformly more severe than small dog bites. (Additionally, it is likely they are overreported, as many people think every muscular shorthair is a pit). Labradors make up about 15% of bites, though I found conflicting results on how common they are, but it appears to be a similar proportion to pits when you consider how over-reported pits are.

If you look at the data table in the study you posted, though they ignore it in their conclusions, it's clear that there are dogs that are far more likely to bite than either pits or labs, which both fall pretty close to average.

Interestingly, somebody brought up Huskies, which are literally 1/100 as frequent as pits. Now, I love huskies, but in comparing violent incidents, they leave pits in the dirt when you control for how common they are. Using the numbers provided in the study, huskies are 1/100 as common... and cause 1/10 the deaths and 1/30 the attacks. In other words, huskies are more prone to attacking than pits are, and even more likely to be the source of a lethal attack. However, nobody discusses husky attacks, because huskies are so much rarer that the instance of a husky attack is almost never seen.

And both huskies and pits pale to Bull Mastiffs (Presa canario), who, actually perpetuate more attacks than huskies, and nearly as many deaths despite being ~1/3 as common. (By the numbers, if they were as common as pits they would result in ~30000 bites and 3000 deaths, or something like 10x pit numbers. They're about 1/300 as common, though, so they result in about 100 bites->15 deaths).

Chows are roughly in line with Bull Mastiffs, numbers wise, being about half as common and having half as many deaths and severe bitings.

The thing is, compared to even other dogs, huskies have an enormous prey instinct, are more likely to go for the throat when they attack, and were less bred for social behavior than Pits. And Chows and Presas were actually bred to be human-aggressive. Consequently, the latter two make up a much more severely disproportionate number of bites and deaths than huskies, pits, or rottweilers. If you're worried about a "dangerous" dog, don't get a chow or bull mastiff.

As a final aside, I think the numbers look like this because the website fudged them horribly in the first place. Literally none of the other sources I looked at had similar information.

Pits are pretty comparable to labs. They are more stubborn, and there are liability concerns if you're in an area with ill-considered laws, but they're much more similar to one another than either are to GSDs or Huskies. They're great with kids (if you isolate pit attacks to those that happen to children, they are one of the safest dogs), though pits in shelters are more likely to have been abused. If you like labs, you'll probably like pits, as they were pretty much bred for the same role, and have mostly gotten a bad reputation in recent years due to abusive owners and use in dogfighting.

Pittbulls are one of the dog breeds more prone to dog-aggression, but that's manageable, especially if you train your dog even reasonably well. Most owners don't, but pits aren't alone in dog-aggression, and the people noting that they're very people-inaggresive are accurate.

But you'll never separate pitbulls from that culture now, so they're damned to be in more rap videos, and more trailer trash backyards. It's a shame, but it is what it is.

Disagree. It's a fad, not a marriage. Dobermans, GSDs and Rotties all went through the same thing. Rottweilers still have that rep, a little bit, but they used to be where Pitbulls are now.

 

[scrubido]

Damn, nice post bro.

 

[Zankou]

Statistics look dubious. Here's another website I just found.

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2014.php

"42 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2014. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 64% (27) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population."

"Together, pit bulls (27) and rottweilers (4), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 74% of the total recorded deaths in 2014. This same combination also accounted for 74% of all fatal attacks during the 10-year period of 2005 to 2014."

Fatality statistics are particularly useful because (if you know anything about crime statistics) lesser incidents are vastly more prone to distortion and inaccuracy in reporting + inconsistent methodologies. Fatalities, on the other hand, tend to be quite well reported and analyzed (compared to 'bites.'). This is why comparative murder statistics tend to be somewhat useful, while comparative robbery/assault statistics tend to be almost useless.

 

[Zankou]

Another website:

http://www.livescience.com/27145-are-pit-bulls-dangerous.html

 

[scrubido]

Dogsbite.org is universally held to be shit.

 

[Zankou]

That's why I posted the Livescience reviews. There are many websites that do nothing but compile dubious statistics to support the notion that pitbulls are innocuous, without doing any serious analysis. But you can find plenty of damning evidence if you look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

"Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: 1979–1998

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published a study in 2000 on dog bite-related fatalities (DBRF) that covered the years 1979–1998. The report concluded that relying on media coverage of dog-bite-related fatalities presents a biased view of the dogs involved. They stated that media reports are likely to only cover about 74% of the actual incidents and that dog attacks involving certain breeds may be more likely to receive media coverage. They also reported that since breed identification is difficult and subjective, attacks may be more likely to be "ascribed to breeds with a reputation for aggression".[8]

The study found reports of 327 people killed by dogs over the 20-year period. Some breed information was available for 238 (73%) of the fatalities. Of 227 incidents with relevant data, 133 (58%) were unrestrained dogs and on the owners' property; 55 (24%) were loose off the owners' property; 38 (17%) were restrained dogs on their owners’ property; and only one (less than 1%) was restrained off the owners' property.[8]

The study defined dog attacks as "a human death caused by trauma from a dog bite". Excluded from the study were deaths by disease caused by dog bites, strangulation on a scarf or leash pulled by a dog, heart attacks or traffic accident, and falling injury or fire ant bites from being pushed down by a dog. The study also excluded four deaths by trauma from dog bites by police dogs or guard dogs employed by the government.

The study found that Pit bulls and Rottweilers alone accounted for 67% of deaths, but there were also several Bullmastiffs, Boxers, Bull Terriers, Great Danes, St. Bernards, a Rhodesian Ridgeback, a bulldog, and a Newfoundland."

 

[hbdope]

I met a pitbull looking dog named Tyson. Nicest dog in the planet. I've also ran past a pitbull who barked at me with the fury of 1000 suns.

 

[theocean]

I had a monster come at me and my dog a few weeks ago wasnt a pitbull though, so any aggressive dog could do stuff like this, its just that pitbulls account for such a huge population of dogs the numbers are higher slightly because of that... But my story was a gigantic male Akita being walked by a lady in her 70s.... Dog drug her cartoon style with her heels dug into the mud about 60 yards down the trail we were on. My dogs a monster herself so we had no need to really worry, but if i had a 15-20 pound dog i would have been scared for my dog, and the lady too... she said "thats the third time hes done that this month, he never goes all the way though"... i guess thats why she was screaming NOOOOOOO the entire 60 yards. The biggest problem is the wrong people getting the wrong dogs.

 

[hbdope]

Something I posted in another thread on pit aggresion:



Pittbulls are one of the dog breeds more prone to dog-aggression, but that's manageable, especially if you train your dog even reasonably well. Most owners don't, but pits aren't alone in dog-aggression, and the people noting that they're very people-inaggresive are accurate.





Disagree. It's a fad, not a marriage. Dobermans, GSDs and Rotties all went through the same thing. Rottweilers still have that rep, a little bit, but they used to be where Pitbulls are now.

Really informative post. Good stuff.

 

[God_Emperor_Of_Mankind]

I met a pitbull looking dog named Tyson.

Are you sure he wasn't a Boxer?

Spoiler

Sorry,

 

[Satanical Eve]

Two pit bulls attacked my sisters Boston Terrier a year ago when my mother was babysitting the dog for her. Took the dog for a walk and two pits got out of the yard and ran at Cash, nearly bit him until my mom picked up him up. Mom was bit on the arm, the two pits jumped up and started trying to bite the dog and my mother. Luckily a neighbor saw this, came out and hit both dogs with a broom handle a few times, dogs ran off.

Needless to say the dogs owner blamed us for what happened.