Opinion PINO - Populist In Name Only

[Deorum]

The 1912 Bull Moose platform, @helltoupee. I get the sense that you would be down with a whole bunch of these items. My favorite aspect about TR is actually the fact that he is the greatest conservationist in human history (in large part because he wielded enormous power to take action). He is single-handedly responsible for over one-third of all public lands that Americans (and our foreign friends and guests) have open access to in the present day. It's a priceless, invaluable gift.

 

[Deorum]

I wouldn’t know the right list.

The 10 most effective - not necessarily 'best' or 'greatest' although there is overlap - in terms of impact and successful implementation of their agenda (IMO). Some of them pulled it off on account of huge mandates with congressional majorities, others more through cunning and force of will. In chronological order:

* George Washington (1789-1797)
* Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809)
* Andrew Jackson (1829-1837)
* James Knox Polk (1845-1849)
* Abraham Lincoln (1861-1865)
* Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1909)
* Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921)
* Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945)
* Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969)
* Richard Nixon (1969-1974)

 

[Deorum]

...Like the last three alone, holy crap.

* The Banking Act (1933)
* Securities Exchange Act (1934)
* National Housing Act (1934)
* National Labor Relations Act (1935)
* Social Security Act (1935)
* Fair Labor Standards Act (1938)
* Wilderness Act (1964)
* Civil Rights Act (1964)
* Voting Rights Act (1965)
* Medicare & Medicaid Act (1965)
* Environmental Policy Act (1970)
* Clean Air Act (1970)
* Clean Water Act (1972)
* Endangered Species Act (1973)
* Safe Drinking Water Act (1974)

Transformative.

 

[badascan]

Do you? I was under the impression you were quite a big supporter

I support Trump and am forced to defend him when I believe people's perspectives are off but I did the same for Biden and whomever, at least to the limit of my bias... Trump childishly assigns labels to people and it loses him credibility, it can't be argued though it's not the same as what I'm referring to.

While my post is hyperbolic, it's the same for anyone who uses these labels, they lose credibility proportionate to the frequency they use and their belief in how effective these terms are, and I can only assume they believe these terms are effective by the frequency they use them or by the lack of use of normal terms. Trumptard, libtard, magat, and the rest...

 

[AWilder]

Nobody's crying over anything. If you expect to have half-way sincere conversations here, then people should be allowed to admit that they've changed their mind.

And guess what, you hate what Trump is doing? With the childish way you act, nobody is going to stop supporting that asshole Trump when you have assholes like yourself berating them for actually changing their minds and thereby support.

And it's just so ironic that you would say "crying over shit in the war room, lol" - is that your version of "it's just locker room talk"?

Is that what you want the war room to be? Some low-brow name calling arena devoid of any sincerity? Are you really that immature that you derive pleasure out of berating people? Jesus dude. You sound exactly like Trump. You're no different than all of the people you criticize and you aren't even aware of it.

I don't take the war room seriously. Its 80% weirdo fringe right wingers that deserve all the ridicule for their childish understanding of the world.

If someone is going to support trump just to spite me that's pretty pathetic on their part. Keep eating the shit sandwiches trump gives you with a smile and a thumbs up.

I'm not going to cheer the broken clock for telling accurate time for 2 seconds of every 24 hours, lol

 

[Deorum]

We just shouldn't discuss anything.

 

[Deorum]

Wasn't he extremely racist?

Nixon:

The dude cracks me up.

 

[Blayt7hh]

I support Trump and am forced to defend him when I believe people's perspectives are off but I did the same for Biden and whomever, at least to the limit of my bias... Trump childishly assigns labels to people and it loses him credibility, it can't be argued though it's not the same as what I'm referring to.

While my post is hyperbolic, it's the same for anyone who uses these labels, they lose credibility proportionate to the frequency they use and their belief in how effective these terms are, and I can only assume they believe these terms are effective by the frequency they use them or by the lack of use of normal terms. Trumptard, libtard, magat, and the rest...

That’s kind of my point though right? Maybe you don’t like him doing it but it seems it doesn’t affect his credibility with you very much at all.

I would hope that his terrible track record as president, personal profiteering at the average Americans expense, and complete disregard for the constitution would erode your support first anyways.

 

[USA!USA!]

I haven't gone through to every page so maybe I am falling for a trap here but I'd like to applaud you at the very least for having principles and not being afraid to call out politicians for stepping past them.

Our nation would be in a much better place if we stopped playing "teams" with our politics like they are NFL franchises, and actually held those in power responsible for all transgressions instead of offering our support and loyalty just because of the color of their uniform (red/blue).

I wish more took that step on both sides of the political aisle

 

[badascan]

That’s kind of my point though right? Maybe you don’t like him doing it but it seems it doesn’t affect his credibility with you very much at all.

I would hope that his terrible track record as president, personal profiteering at the average Americans expense, and complete disregard for the constitution would erode your support first anyways.

There's a large difference between labeling an individual vs labeling an entire group, especially when one hysterically assigns membership to said imaginary/ambiguous/amorphous group because it's easier for their juvenile perspective than to recognize people aren't all simpletons who subscribe to whatever beliefs said groups are assigned... Almost like it's projection.

 

[helltoupee]

He was born in the 1850s and has nothing on Woodrow Wilson. I'd say a handful of antiquated social views by 2025 standards are pretty easily superseded by being the tip of the spear to ending the egregious abuses of the Gilded Age. This despite being a man of means himself who undermined the interests of his own socioeconomic class. He broke corporate monopolies, enacted the first significant consumer production laws in US history, conserved over 230 million acres of public owned wilderness as a gift to the American people and all future generations, massively expanded global commerce with the construction of the Panama Canal, and organized numerous peace deals to end or avoid wars. He's GOAT Level.

(FWIW, he was also the first POTUS to invite a prominent African American to the White House for dinner in an official capacity and caught enormous shit for it. Fast forward over half a century after Teddy's death, and the man who would be President for the majority of the 1980s is on the phone with Nixon excoriating black diplomats and referring to them as monkeys, FFS.)

Nixon:

The dude cracks me up.

I'm not questioning whether or not Teddy was either more or less racist than other Presidents, and I'm certainly no fan of Reaganomics, which ushered in the trickle down philosophy that has basically been the strategy of every Republican presidency since then.

But I have learned quite a few things about Teddy from your posts that I did not know - and certainly, from what you've said, I would take him over any Republican or Democrat president we've had in my lifetime.

 

[Deorum]

I'm not questioning whether or not Teddy was either more or less racist than other Presidents, and I'm certainly no fan of Reaganomics, which ushered in the trickle down philosophy that has basically been the strategy of every Republican presidency since then.

But I have learned quite a few things about Teddy from your posts that I did not know - and certainly, from what you've said, I would take him over any Republican or Democrat president we've had in my lifetime.

Opinion Thread 'Theodore Roosevelt: Big Stick Energy'

Mar 21, 2025

Where do you rank him amongst US presidents? Amongst all-time great Americans in general? Are there any favorite anecdotes or stories? It's pretty difficult to get more badass than being shot in the chest and still delivering a 90+ minute speech while bleeding out with the bullet lodged in; few things have probably been cooler than the President of the United States having a boxing ring installed in the White House and staging sparring sessions as a participant. In fact, he is the reason the Executive Mansion is known as the White House. He was also the first to invite a prominent African...

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[Captain Tenneal]

That's right lady and gentlemen, I'm talking about the Orange Ogre, Glumf.

Exhibit A: Tariff exemptions

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-nvidia-microsoft-breathe-huge-173900215.html

I was listening to Breaking Points and they reported Nvidia paid $1,000,000 for a seat at a fund raiser right before this exemption was rolled out. So basically if you have money to throw around you can get an exemption. But smaller companies are going to still get hammered. Its going to be another upward transfer of wealth. Possibly worse than what we saw with the Covid lockdowns.

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Exhibit B: Cutting off funding for universities because he is a cuck for Israel.

Trump restricts federal research funding, a lifeblood for colleges

After decades of partnership with the U.S. government, American colleges are facing new doubts about the future of their federal funding.

apnews.com

There are probably some valid reasons to try to facilitate change at some of these institutions, but protesting the zionists isn't one of them. Its disgusting how cucked the Republicans are. It really makes you wonder what they have over them.

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Exhibit C: DOGE harassing grannies for their social security checks.

No, 150-Year-Olds Aren’t Collecting Social Security Benefits

Elon Musk claims to have found rampant fraud in the Social Security Administration. There’s a much simpler explanation.

www.wired.com

https://www.cbpp.org/research/social-security/trump-administration-doge-activities-risk-ssa-operations-and-security-of

When I heard Vivek and Musk were going to try to reduce waste and fraud, I was somewhat optimistic. You would think the Pentagon Budget would be a gold mine of waste and abuse, but of course they're going after grannies' checks that they paid into their entire lives.

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Exhibit D: Increasing military spending and threatening war all over the world

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/07/hegseth-trump-1-trillion-defense-budget-00007147

So much for investing back into our own country for a change, but I guess Israel will be happy. They'll be even happier if we start a war with Iran - https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...o-middle-east-as-trump-threatens-to-bomb-iran

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Exhibit E: Fucking with our public lands.

Public lands, private profits: Inside the Trump plan to offload federal land

Critics warn that the Trump administration’s plan to transfer public lands could enrich wealthy developers while eliminating access for everyone else.

grist.org

So basically they want the land to be turned into summer homes for wealthy people.

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Exhibit F: Siding with Musk on H1 Visas

Trump says H-1B visa program is 'great' amid MAGA feud over tech workers

Trump allies, including Elon Musk, vigorously defended the program to other MAGA adherents this week.

www.nbcnews.com

I personally work in Tech and feel strongly on this topic. So strongly that I teamed up with known commie @deviake to speak up against it. This was just a way for wealthy business owners to stifle wage growth and maintain a class of highly dependent workers. In my personal experience the work coming from H1 Visa holders was sub par and I call bullshit on us needing them.

Inb4 I'm called a TDS riddled far-right libtard nazi.

I'm right where you are sherbro, will never settle with modern leftists but also can't ignore the Zionist cock sucking and H1B1, etc.

The last 5 years have negatively impacted my faith in democracy. You've alway been an honest guy, this is an honest conclusion to come to

 

[helltoupee]

I don't take the war room seriously. Its 80% weirdo fringe right wingers that deserve all the ridicule for their childish understanding of the world.

If someone is going to support trump just to spite me that's pretty pathetic on their part. Keep eating the shit sandwiches trump gives you with a smile and a thumbs up.

I'm not going to cheer the broken clock for telling accurate time for 2 seconds of every 24 hours, lol

You think I support Trump?

Maybe I was a little harsh on you, but I have strongly disliked Trump long before he ever ran for office. I remember people on here, such as Panamaican and madmick, saying before the 1st Trump presidency that it might be good to have a "businessman" run the government.

And these are otherwise intelligent people saying this.

I literally could not believe my ears.

Were these 2 people, along with people like them, that isolated that they've never heard Trump speak, or know anything about Trump being a complete and utter failure as a businessman? All of the bankruptcies, the shady business practices of weaponizing the judicial system to force contractors to take a fraction of agreed upon contracts because they couldn't afford a long, drawn out court battle. The inability to make the money-printing machines that casinos are, to be successful. The ridiculous ego. The thousands of failed products (Trump steaks, Trump water, Trump fragrances, Trump Vodka, Trump Productions, Trump Wineries, Trump Shuttles, Trump Mortgages, Trump Model Management, etc., etc., etc.).

Did you know that Trump launched 168 products in his "Trump Store" when he was elected President?

Not only that, the complete short-sightedness to recognize that things can have significant social value without being profitable?

 

[AWilder]

You think I support Trump?

Maybe I was a little harsh on you, but I have strongly disliked Trump long before he ever ran for office. I remember people on here, such as Panamaican and madmick, saying before the 1st Trump presidency that it might be good to have a "businessman" run the government.

And these are otherwise intelligent people saying this.

I literally could not believe my ears.

Were these 2 people, along with people like them, that isolated that they've never heard Trump speak, or know anything about Trump being a complete and utter failure as a businessman? All of the bankruptcies, the shady business practices of weaponizing the judicial system to force contractors to take a fraction of agreed upon contracts because they couldn't afford a long, drawn out court battle. The inability to make the money-printing machines that casinos are, to be successful. The ridiculous ego. The thousands of failed products (Trump steaks, Trump water, Trump fragrances, Trump Vodka, Trump Productions, Trump Wineries, Trump Shuttles, Trump Mortgages, Trump Model Management, etc., etc., etc.).

Did you know that Trump launched 168 products in his "Trump Store" when he was elected President?

Not only that, the complete short-sightedness to recognize that things can have significant social value without being profitable?

And just look at the absolute chaos this guy is now causing. He's totally and completely wrecking our country, screwing over hundreds of millions and literally the entire world, all in the pursuit of tax breaks and profit (ie., the transfer of lucrative govt contracts, reduced regulation) for him and his buddies. He's doing exactly what Republicans have wanted for so long, they were just (fortunately) tempered by an opposing party and our system of checks and balances. But Trump and Project 2025 now have free reign to implement a Conservative's wet dream. No more regulation, no more EPA, no more education, install all yes men, including a press corp that isn't allowed to question anything, and on and on it goes.

So now our dear "businessmen" are free once again to pollute our breathable air and drinking water, add harmful substances to the food we eat, dump toxic waste and then build homes right on top of it. They fired most of the maintenance crews to our nuclear plants, replaced judges who question any of this, gotten rid of consumer protections - even the organizations and institutes that study medications and potential side effects. Anybody want to guess why we've had so many commercial airliner accidents and problems in the last 10 years? Because Trump 1.0 got rid of all those pesky regulations that require airliners to undergo safety protocols....

So ya, I'm not a Trumper.

I do apologize for resorting to the very thing I criticized you for - juvenile name calling - I'm just so bewildered by the entire phenomenon of a literal idiot like Trump at the helm of the most powerful position in the world, and if more people are waking up to this, then by all means, the only way we get rid of Trump is by his supporters stopping their support for him.

I always wondered how regular German citizens could sit idly by while a maniac was able to convince them that all of their problems were the result of one group of people and the only answer was to get rid of them (regardless of whether or not they thought the Jews were just being shipped out of the country and not being killed) - it just sounds so eerily similar - especially with Trump's recent Constitution violations of shipping people to CECOT without due process, and his further intent to send actual US citizens to such. And now saying there are "ways" for him to remain as President in to a 3rd term (who wants to bet that he uses an act of war to get rid of further elections?) ... it's on a scale of such ridiculousness - all of the bullshit about DEI and using competence, when we have complete buffoons like Hegseth and Vance texting emojis and classifed information over what amounts to Facebook chat. Acquiring economic advice from someone that Trump's son found on Amazon books.

I feel like I'm living in an alternate reality. One in which conservatives and democrats who are now complaining about Trump, always told me that we have a 2nd Amendment to prevent tyranny. Yet I don't see a single one of these advid 2ndA'ers picking up their rifles and doing anything about it what is no question a complete and tyrannical takeover of the American government that is adversarial to the common citizen.

I never said you support trump, I was referring to those that do.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

@Mr Holmes - That's your so aguarded face turn. Now people thgat called you friend, are waiting in the shadowns to give you a wedge.

 

[Loiosh]

@Mr Holmes - That's your so aguarded face turn. Now people thgat called you friend, are waiting in the shadowns to give you a wedge.

 

[shunyata]

I don't get people like you. When someone realizes they may have made a mistake, assuming he even did vote for Trump, why do snobs like you have to jump all over him with the "I told you so's"?

Guess what dude, you're not perfect either, and I have much more respect for the man that can admit he's wrong or was misled, than the immature idiocy of piling on someone because they are actually agreeing with you now. Isn't that why you hate Trump anyways? Because he never admits he's wrong and thinks he's the 2nd coming of Jesus or something? This world would be a better place if more people admitted they aren't perfect.

How old are you anyways? Like 12?

When someone wakes up from the spell of fascism, we need to welcome them into the light of truth.

Not shame them for how they got to this moment.

 

[Andy Capp]

I'm right where you are sherbro, will never settle with modern leftists but also can't ignore the Zionist cock sucking and H1B1, etc.

The last 5 years have negatively impacted my faith in democracy. You've alway been an honest guy, this is an honest conclusion to come to

Only the last 5?

I dispute the claim, "You've alway been an honest guy," but I won't dispute the merit of the conclusion he's reached here. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next several months.

 

[Captain Tenneal]

Only the last 5?

I was politically aware after high-school in the late 00's, then stopped paying as much attention, until Covid