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Populism doesn’t inherently lack principles. Trumps clearly does, but that’s not all populists.
Opinion PINO - Populist In Name Only
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Oh wow, didn't have this on my bingo card. Always appreciate folks calling out wrong when they see it. Don't see that a lot on here, especially from the pro Trump crew. Hespect. Everyone on here is too quick to get at each other's throats. This is a great thread where a poster is doing exactly what you're always asking, calling out the bullshit.
We rarely agree or have pleasant conversations on here but I'm giving you your props Holmes. Great thread
We rarely agree or have pleasant conversations on here but I'm giving you your props Holmes. Great thread
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I’ll say democracy is good but populism is bad. It’s somewhat like my sig. Pluralism is good but relativism is bad. I think populism feeds into the idea that the crowd is always right and there shouldn’t be some pushback from those closer to an issue (whether it be the congressman, a judge, the head of the federal reserve) when they know that isn’t the case. The problem becomes the politicians who care the least about truth can co-opt these movements easily. There can be those pursuing it without ill intent but I don’t think even they would lead us to a good place.
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agreed @Mr Holmes.
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One of the most pressing concerns about this for me is that it's really not a top line priority for most people, nor an issue that is near and dear to the average American heart. And that is because the vast majority of the country (80%) doesn't live anywhere near them. You've gotta actually come out here as you have (Badlands, Death Valley, Grand Canyon, etc.) to truly appreciate why there are vast areas of the nation that need to remain protected with open access to the public -- that absolutely under no circumstances do we want developed, exploited, nor sold off to foreign entities or private interests.
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@Mr Holmes
Can you even imagine a bunch of shithead billionaire globalists (oh yeah) buying up all of the real estate along the South Rim and turning it into their own privatized retreat? How about multinational corporations carrying out massive uranium mining operations within the canyon to decimate and destroy the greatest and most scientifically valuable geological spectacle on the planet? How fucking disgusting. That's modern Republican ideology for you, and they can eat ALL of the shit. There is zero chance I ever vote for that.
Can you even imagine a bunch of shithead billionaire globalists (oh yeah) buying up all of the real estate along the South Rim and turning it into their own privatized retreat? How about multinational corporations carrying out massive uranium mining operations within the canyon to decimate and destroy the greatest and most scientifically valuable geological spectacle on the planet? How fucking disgusting. That's modern Republican ideology for you, and they can eat ALL of the shit. There is zero chance I ever vote for that.
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That couldn't be more untrue. Remember, there isn't one orange God on the left that everyone bows to- that would be the right.
There is a lot more disagreement on the left; people had mixed opinions around Biden or Obama policy always even if they agreed the majority of the time. Of course, that was true of the Reps back when they were normal people and not conspiracy MAGA goons.
Trump knows no one in right politics will speak out against him because they will get canceled (many have already, and this is a power no Dem has); and MAGA is too busy hugging his nuts to ever disagree with him.
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Here is a list, along with their respective ages upon taking office for your enjoyment. Polk is easily amongst the most effective presidents of all time and didn't seek re-election, although he certainly didn't help alleviate the sectional crisis any more than the rest of the one-term cans who ran the country from 1837 up to Lincoln.
1789-1797: George Washington (57)
1797-1801: John Adams (61)
1801-1809: Thomas Jefferson (57)
1809-1817: James Madison (57)
1817-1825: James Monroe (58)
1825-1829: John Quincy Adams (57)
1829-1837: Andrew Jackson (61)
1837-1841: Martin Van Buren (54)
1841-1841: William Henry Harrison (68)
1841-1845: John Tyler (51)
1845-1849: James Knox Polk (49)
1849-1850: Zachary Taylor (64)
1850-1853: Millard Fillmore (50)
1853-1857: Franklin Pearce (48)
1857-1861: James Buchanan (65)
1861-1865: Abraham Lincoln (52)
1865-1869: Andrew Johnson (56)
1869-1877: Ulysses S. Grant (46)
1877-1881: Rutherford Hayes (54)
1881-1881: James Garfield (49)
1881-1885: Chester Arthur (51)
1885-1889: Grover Cleveland (47)
1889-1893: Benjamin Harrison (55)
1893-1897: Grover Cleveland (55)
1897-1901: William McKinley (54)
1901-1909: Theodore Roosevelt (42)
1909-1913: William Howard Taft (51)
1913-1921: Woodrow Wilson (56)
1921-1923: Warren G. Harding (55)
1923-1929: Calvin Coolidge (51)
1929-1933: Herbert Hoover (54)
1933-1945: Franklin D. Roosevelt (51)
1945-1953: Harry Truman (60)
1953-1961: Dwight Eisenhower (62)
1961-1963: John F. Kennedy (43)
1963-1969: Lyndon B. Johnson (55)
1969-1974: Richard Nixon (56)
1974-1977: Gerald Ford (61)
1977-1981: Jimmy Carter (52)
1981-1989: Ronald Reagan (69)
1989-1993: George H.W. Bush (64)
1993-2001: Bill Clinton (46)
2001-2009: George W. Bush (54)
2009-2017: Barack Obama (47)
2017-2021: Donald J. Trump (70)
2021-2025: Joe Biden (78)
2025-2029: Donald J. Trump (78)
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Pffft he's the smartest, just ask himThat's right lady and gentlemen, I'm talking about the Orange Ogre, Glumf.
Exhibit A: Tariff exemptions
I was listening to Breaking Points and they reported Nvidia paid $1,000,000 for a seat at a fund raiser right before this exemption was rolled out. So basically if you have money to throw around you can get an exemption. But smaller companies are going to still get hammered. Its going to be another upward transfer of wealth. Possibly worse than what we saw with the Covid lockdowns.
Exhibit B: Cutting off funding for universities because he is a cuck for Israel.
Trump restricts federal research funding, a lifeblood for colleges
After decades of partnership with the U.S. government, American colleges are facing new doubts about the future of their federal funding.apnews.com
There are probably some valid reasons to try to facilitate change at some of these institutions, but protesting the zionists isn't one of them. Its disgusting how cucked the Republicans are. It really makes you wonder what they have over them.
Exhibit C: DOGE harassing grannies for their social security checks.
No, 150-Year-Olds Aren’t Collecting Social Security Benefits
Elon Musk claims to have found rampant fraud in the Social Security Administration. There’s a much simpler explanation.www.wired.com
When I heard Vivek and Musk were going to try to reduce waste and fraud, I was somewhat optimistic. You would think the Pentagon Budget would be a gold mine of waste and abuse, but of course they're going after grannies' checks that they paid into their entire lives.
Exhibit D: Increasing military spending and threatening war all over the world
So much for investing back into our own country for a change, but I guess Israel will be happy. They'll be even happier if we start a war with Iran - https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...o-middle-east-as-trump-threatens-to-bomb-iran
Exhibit E: Fucking with our public lands.
Public lands, private profits: Inside the Trump plan to offload federal land
Critics warn that the Trump administration’s plan to transfer public lands could enrich wealthy developers while eliminating access for everyone else.grist.org
So basically they want the land to be turned into summer homes for wealthy people.
Exhibit F: Siding with Musk on H1 Visas
Trump says H-1B visa program is 'great' amid MAGA feud over tech workers
Trump allies, including Elon Musk, vigorously defended the program to other MAGA adherents this week.www.nbcnews.com
I personally work in Tech and feel strongly on this topic. So strongly that I teamed up with known commie @deviake to speak up against it. This was just a way for wealthy business owners to stifle wage growth and maintain a class of highly dependent workers. In my personal experience the work coming from H1 Visa holders was sub par and I call bullshit on us needing them.
Inb4 I'm called a TDS riddled far-right libtard nazi.
Donald Trump is the only president on Earth who boldly claims to "know more than anybody else" about nearly everything. From national security to construction, he’s made sweeping statements across a wide range of topics, including:
ISIS – "I know more about ISIS than the generals do."
Taxes – "Nobody knows more about taxes than I do."
Trade – "Nobody knows more about trade than me."
Technology – "Nobody knows more about technology than me."
Drones – "I know more about drones than anybody."
Nuclear weapons – "There is nobody who understands the horror of nuclear better than me."
The economy – "I think I know about it better than the Federal Reserve."
Infrastructure – "Nobody has ever known so much about infrastructure as Donald Trump."
The U.S. system – "Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it."
Cory Booker – "I know more about Cory Booker than he knows about himself."
Social media – "I understand social media. I understand the power of Twitter."
Renewable energy – "I know more about renewables than any human being on Earth."
Campaign finance – "Nobody knows more about campaign finance than me."
Border security – "Nobody knows more about borders than me."
Construction – "Nobody builds better than me."
The environment – "I want clean air and clean water. Nobody knows more about the environment than me."
Healthcare – "Nobody knows more about healthcare than me."
Science – "Nobody knows more about science than me."
Wind turbines – "I know windmills very much."
Whether it’s military, money, medicine, or media, Trump has claimed unmatched expertise — making him truly one of a kind in presidential history.
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Who would have thought that on 2025 all you'd have to do is claim to be the smartest person in the world to get people to blame believe you lol
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Good post, thank you for it. Both sides need to treat Trump like the existential threat he is, and get him out of office ASAP, and once we do we can go back to arguing about normal left vs right things.That's right lady and gentlemen, I'm talking about the Orange Ogre, Glumf.
Exhibit A: Tariff exemptions
I was listening to Breaking Points and they reported Nvidia paid $1,000,000 for a seat at a fund raiser right before this exemption was rolled out. So basically if you have money to throw around you can get an exemption. But smaller companies are going to still get hammered. Its going to be another upward transfer of wealth. Possibly worse than what we saw with the Covid lockdowns.
Exhibit B: Cutting off funding for universities because he is a cuck for Israel.
Trump restricts federal research funding, a lifeblood for colleges
After decades of partnership with the U.S. government, American colleges are facing new doubts about the future of their federal funding.
There are probably some valid reasons to try to facilitate change at some of these institutions, but protesting the zionists isn't one of them. Its disgusting how cucked the Republicans are. It really makes you wonder what they have over them.
Exhibit C: DOGE harassing grannies for their social security checks.
No, 150-Year-Olds Aren’t Collecting Social Security Benefits
Elon Musk claims to have found rampant fraud in the Social Security Administration. There’s a much simpler explanation.
When I heard Vivek and Musk were going to try to reduce waste and fraud, I was somewhat optimistic. You would think the Pentagon Budget would be a gold mine of waste and abuse, but of course they're going after grannies' checks that they paid into their entire lives.
Exhibit D: Increasing military spending and threatening war all over the world
So much for investing back into our own country for a change, but I guess Israel will be happy. They'll be even happier if we start a war with Iran - https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...o-middle-east-as-trump-threatens-to-bomb-iran
Exhibit E: Fucking with our public lands.
Public lands, private profits: Inside the Trump plan to offload federal land
Critics warn that the Trump administration’s plan to transfer public lands could enrich wealthy developers while eliminating access for everyone else.
So basically they want the land to be turned into summer homes for wealthy people.
Exhibit F: Siding with Musk on H1 Visas
Trump says H-1B visa program is 'great' amid MAGA feud over tech workers
Trump allies, including Elon Musk, vigorously defended the program to other MAGA adherents this week.
I personally work in Tech and feel strongly on this topic. So strongly that I teamed up with known commie @deviake to speak up against it. This was just a way for wealthy business owners to stifle wage growth and maintain a class of highly dependent workers. In my personal experience the work coming from H1 Visa holders was sub par and I call bullshit on us needing them.
Inb4 I'm called a TDS riddled far-right libtard nazi.
What is happening now is not normal.
I’ll add one thing about the universities—this is not really about Israel, that’s just a cover. Attacking and dismantling education is right out of the authoritarian p/fascist playbook, just like attacking and trying to defund media, bypassing legislative bodies, ignoring judges, and attacking the arts. Trump is checking those boxes right down the line.
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@Mr Holmes, the ultra wealthy will never be friends of the working class. Cheers for acknowledging what you see. We don't agree on every thing, but I like to think it's mostly friendly jabs at one another.
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Washington DC is compromised you say? I guess all the "Vote for us, we are the good guys, they are commies/fascists" was just anti-democratic propaganda meant to demoralize and divide the working class?
The whole political charade in the US over the last 10-15 years was just window dressing meant to supress evidence of class warfare? Our guys gonna lock her up, oh yeah, well our guys gonna lock your guy up... meanwhile no one is getting locked up?
They really do hate workers and want to hoard every resource for themselves providing generational wealth and privilege for their spoiled rich offspring while we fight each other over meaningless issues requiring nothing but kindergarten levels of logic pertaining to our skin color and sexual preferences.
Who could have ever seen this coming?
The whole political charade in the US over the last 10-15 years was just window dressing meant to supress evidence of class warfare? Our guys gonna lock her up, oh yeah, well our guys gonna lock your guy up... meanwhile no one is getting locked up?
They really do hate workers and want to hoard every resource for themselves providing generational wealth and privilege for their spoiled rich offspring while we fight each other over meaningless issues requiring nothing but kindergarten levels of logic pertaining to our skin color and sexual preferences.
Who could have ever seen this coming?
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Grassley got absolutely roasted at his most recent town hall.
Embarrassing.
Embarrassing.
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With all this known, no hesitation supporting the guy, of course he’s flawed, the H1B’s i agree completely, I’m a software developer, they stall my pay at minimum.
You simply need to prioritize what works for you. Illegal immigration, you can say that trump is going all out on this, one of the largest factors of all time.
Going after granny, i don’t believe at all, move fast and break things
Zionist, absolutely
Curtail the military… not that guy
Tariffs is his vision to support the people, that is a large overwhelming policy, and while giving exceptions are truly helping these tech companies, tanking them wouldn’t help, it’s a practical compromise, trump knew this well in advance.
There is a certain genius and risk to trump, and other geniuses like Elon, they’re flawed but their mission is on point.
You simply need to prioritize what works for you. Illegal immigration, you can say that trump is going all out on this, one of the largest factors of all time.
Going after granny, i don’t believe at all, move fast and break things
Zionist, absolutely
Curtail the military… not that guy
Tariffs is his vision to support the people, that is a large overwhelming policy, and while giving exceptions are truly helping these tech companies, tanking them wouldn’t help, it’s a practical compromise, trump knew this well in advance.
There is a certain genius and risk to trump, and other geniuses like Elon, they’re flawed but their mission is on point.
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I think you’re adding a negative connotation to something that is neutral by nature. Yes a true populist by nature would be representing the crowd’s interest. Whether that’s good or bad would depend on whether what the crowd wants is right or wrong.
I would say that the very nature of America’s core beliefs is that we should constantly be striving to balance the interest of the people as a whole while protecting the rights of all. From that perspective I believe that true populists are going to be good for the country more than they would be bad for the country.
I don’t really see how you can reach your conclusion that it’s bad for the country more often than it is good when we’ve had so few examples of it to go off of. The only negative example I know of is Trump, and like the TS said he is a PINO. He’s not a populist. It’s just a disguise he used to get elected and frankly it wasn’t even a very good one. For whatever reason it worked and got him elected but I don’t think anyone with a functioning brain thinks he has the interest of the majority in mind
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They've already come right up to the edge of doing that around the GYE. It's why Bozeman (north of Yellowstone) and Jackson (practically interconnected with Grand Teton) are billionaire playgrounds priced through the eyeballs. But the parks themselves remain full public access and there isn't shit they can do about it, for now. I guess shoutout to Rockefeller Jr. for actually saving Jackson Hole Valley -- he bought up all of the land from developers that were about to destroy it and then turned around and donated it to the federal government.
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He’s a fascist psychopath. We don’t need to throw out results or a new election, we need an impeachment and conviction.
Fuck every single person that voted for this. This is going to be very difficult to get ourselves out of, and even if we do the blueprint is laid out. We may seriously be cooked.
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