Elections Pelosi pulling the hypocritical, hyperbolic (D) line about Trump not conceding really, really early

[zebby23]

Here you go @zebby23

lol so you post 1 tweet from 2018 with absolutely no context...

 

[HereticBD]

Also, I believe everything I post. Everything

Do you still believe "Fire and Fury" will cause Trump to resign?

 

[Jack V Savage]

No but could they even make it to a government job? Outside of direct appointments. There are some psychological and knowledge tests to work for the government as a civil servant or military, I guess. And appointments go after some vetting process, like a Senate vote.
Guys like Jeff Sessions, General Mattis, all of them defied Trump. Sessions was an evil southern racist and still recused himself in relation to Russia, Mattis simply ignored orders, Kelly also ignored orders.
I guess some lower ranking cops, military and bureaucrats could cause some trouble but they would be contained.
In general I'd put the risk as very low outside of Trump causing a deadlock and delays, like the government shutdown. I think he could delay the process with recounts, lawsuits etc but he would step down in the end or get arrested.

I have no idea about those guys in particular, but I think there's maybe 20% of the population that would destroy democracy for Trump. The risk is probably low, but it's higher than it's been in a very long time. Furthermore, having appointees just ignore the president is not good, either. We need a reformed GOP and right-wing political culture or we're going to keep getting attacks on our Constitution until it fails.

 

[spamking]

lol so you post 1 tweet from 2018 with absolutely no context...

It's the first one that came to mind. Was I give a date range to stick with that I'm not aware of?

The context isn't that hard to figure out . . .

 

[spamking]

lol truth? Tell me something Trump has done or could do which would make you lose all support. 1 thing

Cave to gun control folks . . . buy into the notion that some no-fly list = list of folks who shouldn't legally own a firearm. Actually take the steps towards the actions you guys are complaining about in this very thread.

 

[spamking]

Hmm, I didn't call zebby a troll. I said he shit posts fairly frequently and doesn't get very deep into his positions. I haven't had nearly enough exposure to him to say that he's trolling, which would mean that he's intentionally being disingenuous or doesn't really believe what he posts. He could be, but, as I said, I haven't seen enough of his posts or had enough exchanges with him to say that. WarDosAnjos is the only person I suspect of being a genuine left-wing troll.

Also, I haven't read this conversation at much length and don't have a strong opinion on it (of course Trump cannot be tethered to any expectation of humility, honesty, or norm-conformance, but speculating how that shameless moron will behave is a fool's errand imo), but @kpt018 as usual has had high quality and on-point posts itt.

Which is exactly why the speculation here is crazy IMO . . . the dude seems to wake up in a new, weird world every day.

Who knows what issue he's going to choose to focus on today vs tomorrow. He's the president so I'm going to hope that he's successful . . . but I'm not so blind that I'm going to support each and every thing the man does just because he's the POTUS. If I disagree with something I'll say so . . .

 

[spamking]

I take it as him telling an idiot that it's stupid to think you can go to war against a government that has nuclear weapons, and that talking about the issue is much smarter than going to war.

Swalwell cares nothing about discussing anything . . . he's going to push for full blown confiscation under some guise of a buy-back program. He's the left's version of Trump.

 

[MikeMcMann]

I have no doubts he will want his opponents locked up but I don't see how he could achieve that. He can at most order the US attorneys to prosecute the candidates but that will not land them in jail as they will be subject to a trial. Congress can also stop that by impeaching an attorney. And that's if, as you said, they just simply didn't dismiss him for having no legal case.
He could also declare a national emergency or just act outside the law, order tanks to occupy the streets, people to riot etc, which would lead to his impeachment and I don't think he has enough support anywhere to get all the military or law enforcement onboard with that.

i think the most likely case is he would just refuse to step down and hand over power to the incoming POTUS.

He would defy Congress and others to take him to Court saying everything was a fraud and it need to be investigated FIRST. He would say he did not lose and was cheated and it will be cleared and he should not lose power in the interim as then they (the new admin) will cover it up.

Trumpsters, like the subservient sheep they are would definitely support that. There is no reason to suggest otherwise. They would argue 'this is a valid complaint and he should get to continue to serve until the investigations are done and this plays its way through the courts'.

Anyone who thinks the Trumpsters would not jump right to that argument is clearly not paying attention. There should be no doubt that Trumpsters would say 'yes while the investigations and court cases take place, Trump should stay'. Of that there is no doubt.

 

[Witchhunt]

i think the most likely case is he would just refuse to step down and hand over power to the incoming POTUS.

He would defy Congress and others to take him to Court saying everything was a fraud and it need to be investigated FIRST. He would say he did not lost and was cheated and it will be cleared and he should not lose power in the interim as then they (the new admin) will cover it up.

Trumpsters, like the subservient sheep they are would definitely support that. There is no reason to suggest otherwise. They would argue 'this is a valid complaint and he should get to continue to serve until the investigations are done and this plays its way through the courts'.

Anyone who thinks the Trumpsters would not jump right to that argument is clearly not paying attention. There should be no doubt that Trumpsters would say 'yes while the investigations and court cases take place, Trump should stay'. Of that there is no doubt.

Or.......... the secret service would escort him to the curb and let the transition teams do what they do.
You really should get some professional help.
A strong imagination is usually a quality, but you have to put your feet on the ground now and then.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Or.......... the secret service would escort him to the curb and let the transition teams do what they do.
You really should get some professional help.
A strong imagination is usually a quality, but you have to put your feet on the ground now and then.

Sure its possible. But would they defy a DOJ order to wait for the court proceedings to play out.

We currently see the DOJ giving instructions to the Treasury Chief to break the law and defy Congress Trump's tax returns despite having zero standing to do so. The DOJ has just inserted themselves into the role of policing a Co Equal branch of gov't and saying 'the request must meet our approval' which goes entirely against the US Constitution where Congress has no requirement to justify their request to another Branch of gov't. Barr does not give a f*ck though, as POTUS commands he does, like the good little sheep he is.

that is no imagination. You need a strong imagination to spin that as other than it. A complete willingness to defy any law to do as POTUS commands.

 

[glenwo2]

Ahhh. I read his response and he is accurate. I can get deep into posts but when dealing with the right wingers on this site that's fairly difficult to do. Also, I believe everything I post. Everything

That explains a lot about you, you nutcase.

 

[glenwo2]

Or.......... the secret service would escort him to the curb and let the transition teams do what they do.
You really should get some professional help.
A strong imagination is usually a quality, but you have to put your feet on the ground now and then.

Well said.

Trump is not God. The Position of PRESIDENT is still a Position. Not some kind of SuperPower like Superman has or some shit.

Once your time in that position is done, any POWER you had is gone and it's time to leave, and you would either leave or be made to leave, Period.

I don't foresee any wild conspiracy-theory end-of-the-world crap that MikeMcMoronn predicts would happen.

Trump WILL tweet his disappointment but that's all he will do 'cause THAT'S ALL HE WILL BE ABLE TO DO.

 

[Amerikuracana]

i think the most likely case is he would just refuse to step down and hand over power to the incoming POTUS.

He would defy Congress and others to take him to Court saying everything was a fraud and it need to be investigated FIRST. He would say he did not lost and was cheated and it will be cleared and he should not lose power in the interim as then they (the new admin) will cover it up.

Trumpsters, like the subservient sheep they are would definitely support that. There is no reason to suggest otherwise. They would argue 'this is a valid complaint and he should get to continue to serve until the investigations are done and this plays its way through the courts'.

Anyone who thinks the Trumpsters would not jump right to that argument is clearly not paying attention. There should be no doubt that Trumpsters would say 'yes while the investigations and court cases take place, Trump should stay'. Of that there is no doubt.

The evidence of major fraud, and collusion from the media, would have to be overwhelming for me to support a president, either R or D, from staying in office after they lose an election.

 

[MikeMcMann]

The evidence of major fraud, and collusion from the media, would have to be overwhelming for me to support a president, either R or D, from staying in office after they lose an election.

But you know that the evidence required for most Trumpsters is simply Trump saying it is true and pointing at the deep state, right?

I do not think there is one ounce of hyperbole in that statement, ...if Trump says it was fraud and he should stay and oversee the investigation the Trumpbots would fully support that. I mean, you have to be really ignorant to think they would not.

they don't care about "evidence" or "collusion", as Trump has already conditioned them to accept it in telling his raging fans to not accept what they see or hear and to just trust him...

"Just stick with us, don’t believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news,” Mr Trump said as the crowd erupted in boos. He later added: “Just remember, what you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening…”

 

[Amerikuracana]

But you know that the evidence required for most Trumpsters is simply Trump saying it is true and pointing at the deep state, right?

I do not think there is one ounce of hyperbole in that statement, ...if Trump says it was fraud and he should stay and oversee the investigation the Trumpbots would fully support that. I mean, you have to be really ignorant to think they would not.

they don't care about "evidence" or "collusion", as Trump has already conditioned them to accept it in telling his raging fans to not accept what they see or hear and to just trust him...

"Just stick with us, don’t believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news,” Mr Trump said as the crowd erupted in boos. He later added: “Just remember, what you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening…”

It wouldn't be that many people. You are creating a class of people that the media has brainwashed you to create. You have the conservative base that voted for Romney, and then you have those that voted for Obama that switched to trump. You just are eating the politically biased media, like fox news fan used to and probably will again, and it makes you think all those not seeing all.tge things that media is complaining about must have something wrong. You're dreaming. Wake up.

 

[MikeMcMann]

It wouldn't be that many people. You are creating a class of people that the media has brainwashed you to create. You have the conservative base that voted for Romney, and then you have those that voted for Obama that switched to trump. You just are eating the politically biased media, like fox news fan used to and probably will again, and it makes you think all those not seeing all.tge things that media is complaining about must have something wrong. You're dreaming. Wake up.

You continue to ignore reality and your only reply is basically not that Trump would not try it, but that others would not capitulate.

I would bet you are correct on that and that others would not capitulate. But that does not mean Trump would not try and that it would need to be pushed back or fought off.

We currently see Trump using the DOJ to blatantly violate the law and use their influence to subvert the Treasury Department and IRS. He has a willing and able AG who just gladly breaks the law to do Trumps bidding. And no denies they are breaking the law. They just say they support them doing it ...because.

If you do not see how Trump is setting that stage and getting people used to him defying the law, and getting them to cheerlead him defying the law you are really being willfully blind.

 

[spamking]

I asked a question that I guess you're not going to answer.

You asked a question you already know the answer to . . . this isn't difficult. So stop pushing something I'm not doing. I provided the quote from Swalwell's twitter account. There isn't any reason to do that if I'm not of the opinion that it's an honest representation of what was said.

You have a guy saying that if a law he doesn't like is passed, he'll start murdering people. The Rep then says that his efforts would fail and recommends talking it out rather than resorting to violence.

So THIS^ is an "honest representation of the discussion"?? Hardly.

 

[Amerikuracana]

You continue to ignore reality and your only reply is basically not that Trump would not try it, but that others would not capitulate.

I would bet you are correct on that and that others would not capitulate. But that does not mean Trump would not try and that it would need to be pushed back or fought off.

We currently see Trump using the DOJ to blatantly violate the law and use their influence to subvert the Treasury Department and IRS. He has a willing and able AG who just gladly breaks the law to do Trumps bidding. And no denies they are breaking the law. They just say they support them doing it ...because.

If you do not see how Trump is setting that stage and getting people used to him defying the law, and getting them to cheerlead him defying the law you are really being willfully blind.

You're demonizing trump. Lay off the CNN, bro.

The outskirts of the other side demonized Obama.. But it was less a % of the whole. Still a lot.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Your demonizing trump. Lay off the CNN, bro.

The outskirts of the other side demonized Obama.. But it was less a % of the whole. Still a lot.

m'eh you are trolling your own thread now. I have provided direct video and quoted Trump. If using Trump videos and his own words is demonizing him then...

 

[Jack V Savage]

You asked a question you already know the answer to . . . this isn't difficult. So stop pushing something I'm not doing. I provided the quote from Swalwell's twitter account. There isn't any reason to do that if I'm not of the opinion that it's an honest representation of what was said.

So THIS^ is an "honest representation of the discussion"?? Hardly.

Of course it is. Swalwell's point is that the guy would lose badly so maybe let's calm the fuck down and discuss the issue like sane people. Any adult reading it can see that. But you're just hysterically partisan so you can't bring yourself to report the exchange honestly, even if just to express disagreement.