Patterson Gimlin Bigfoot Video

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Two and two, being put together!

 

[BluntForceTrama]

what annoys me about threads like this is the same people or type of people always show up throwing out the most basic prejudices and misconceptions while trying to take the side of reason in claiming that bigfoot is an impossibility.

you guys should take the time to do some basic research into this topic even if its just to actually discuss the topic intelligently as a debunker. otherwise this is contempt prior to investigation.

jeff meldrum
bob gymlan-- the youtube channel
howtohunt-- youtube

a couple hours of your time and this topic would be so much more rich and interesting for you guys even if you still did not believe it.

Like I said earlier, this topic is a Rorschach test.

your points are well received here tho

 

[BluntForceTrama]

What I’m saying is you never get a clear up close shot with a high quality camera of the face in the PG film like you do with the Planet of the Apes stills. So I doubt they would look nearly as hokey from 60 feet away on a grainy camera.

You ever heard of MK Davis?

he's got a slough of breakdowns and enhancements you might want to go down this rabbit hole

 

[BluntForceTrama]

Millions and millions of hunters around the world. Hell some of them even pay 20,000 or more to go on guided big game hunts. Yet no one has ever shot and killed a bigfeety. Strange.

If someone where to kill or capture a bigfeety they would instantly be worth tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars. Yet it's never happened...countless shows have set out to prove its existence and film one....never happened.

Now some of the BF crowd will say "oh that's just because bigfoot is like really really smart. They know when someone is coming and leave!"

But then in the same breath they will claim this hoaxed video is "100 legitimate never disproved. I mean look at the muscle contractions in this frame! They dont even have suits that real today!"

You've gone off topic
This thread is about the PG video

 

[IloveTHIS]

You've gone off topic
This thread is about the PG video

oh, ok, cool.

prove the PG video is real. like, real proof. not just saying some random person claims it cant be faked. but like actual proof. bones, a body, something tangible. you saying "its too good to be a fake suit!" is not proof.

guy buys a camera and says "Im gonna make a video about bigfoot" and just so happens to capture video of bigfoot the very next day. fascinating. how is he so lucky and no one else is?

 

[DoomPatrol]

The most damning hoax evidence IMO is roger's drawing of BF that he published a year before the film was taken... it's basically concept art for the costume he made. Although I'm still not convinced anybody could make a costume that good in 1966.

You're not convinced that people could make a monkey suit in 1966? I mean, that was a little while ago and all, but it's not like they were living like savages in 1966. People had been doing quantum mechanics for 40 years by then. In only a couple of years they would start putting humans on the moon. And yet somehow you don't think someone could do a decent job of sewing together a costume to mimic muscularity and hair patterns that you could easily reference from existing photographs of actual animals?

You just kind of lose me there. For one, it REALLY looks like a dude walking around in a giant monkey suit. Go look at real footage of large apes moving through the brush. They aren't that clunky. This looks like a dude moving in a clunky fashion because he's got a damned monkey suit on. It just seems like it couldn't get any more obvious as a fake. It's like the same people who would fall for Nigerian scammers are the same people who would believe that's authentic footage.

Here's the thing. If it was in the least bit credible to actual biologists, they would be SWARMING to be the first person to find one. These people spend months in real jungle to get crazy photographs of real endangered animals. If they thought bigfoot was actually out there, these guys would be combing every square inch of those woods with thermals and night vision trying to be the first to find one.

It just seems like nonsense. I've spent a lot of time in the deep woods and I've never seen anything that would lead me to believe something like that could get away with hiding from people.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

oh, ok, cool.

prove the PG video is real. like, real proof. not just saying some random person claims it cant be faked. but like actual proof. bones, a body, something tangible. you saying "its too good to be a fake suit!" is not proof.

guy buys a camera and says "Im gonna make a video about bigfoot" and just so happens to capture video of bigfoot the very next day. fascinating. how is he so lucky and no one else is?

I'm not discounting the story but it's heresy as far as I'm concerned I have no way of validating it

Gimlins alive and he's rejected the story Is there a possibility the story you're talking about was hyperbole ? Rumor? I'm an engineer so I know what things look like from distance I can't prove it but I'd be willing to bet it's MASSIVE I've watched most of the MK Davis video analysis on this and he has me convinced this isn't human

we can only make hunches at this point

 

[BluntForceTrama]

You're not convinced that people could make a monkey suit in 1966? I mean, that was a little while ago and all, but it's not like they were living like savages in 1966. People had been doing quantum mechanics for 40 years by then. In only a couple of years they would start putting humans on the moon. And yet somehow you don't think someone could do a decent job of sewing together a costume to mimic muscularity and hair patterns that you could easily reference from existing photographs of actual animals?

You just kind of lose me there. For one, it REALLY looks like a dude walking around in a giant monkey suit. Go look at real footage of large apes moving through the brush. They aren't that clunky. This looks like a dude moving in a clunky fashion because he's got a damned monkey suit on. It just seems like it couldn't get any more obvious as a fake. It's like the same people who would fall for Nigerian scammers are the same people who would believe that's authentic footage.

Here's the thing. If it was in the least bit credible to actual biologists, they would be SWARMING to be the first person to find one. These people spend months in real jungle to get crazy photographs of real endangered animals. If they thought bigfoot was actually out there, these guys would be combing every square inch of those woods with thermals and night vision trying to be the first to find one.

It just seems like nonsense. I've spent a lot of time in the deep woods and I've never seen anything that would lead me to believe something like that could get away with hiding from people.

This is the best a production studio Could do in replicating the video. It cost over $10k to make

Patterson and Gimlin were basically broke at the time of the video

by the way why is it ok for the skeptics to use heresy as supporting evidence but if supporters of this video say things like this it's considered a weak argument ?

quite the double standard

 

[DoomPatrol]

This is what Hoaxter said was the actual suit used i the PG video

Patterson and Gimlin were basically broke at the time of the video

It doesn't cost a lot of money to build a monkey suit. It takes time and dedication, but the material cost is rather small.

And just because someone is generally poor doesn't mean they are broke. It's interesting you mention that they were essentially broke when they filmed bigfoot with the camera they bought to film a bigfoot movie.

Seriously. If you genuinely want to believe this story then you should at the very least read the Wikipedia entry.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson–Gimlin_film

Just look at the background section and read that. How does that look like anything but a hoax knowing those details?

 

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I don't even believe TS isn't trolling the poor Bigfoot-believing Shercommunity, let alone any stranger claims to be a retired government yahoo just decided to "blow the whistle" that someone read about.

 

[Bald1]

I don't know what's more interesting, the random stories of a possible large primate running around in the bush, or the way people get seriously pissed off at others for entertaining the possibility.

 

[Grassshoppa]

Looks like Pelosi in the morning.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Another thing, is a bloke in an ape suit walking through brush (however thin the brush is), wouldn't move that smoothly. Have you ever worn a costume? It's fucking hard to see where you're going through a mask unless it's tightly fitted to your face with huge eye-holes - I cant imagine trying to walk pretty quickly without tripping/stumbling. The subject even turns to look at the camera while still walking and doesn't miss a beat.

 

[IloveTHIS]

Another thing, is a bloke in an ape suit walking through brush (however thin the brush is), wouldn't move that smoothly. Have you ever worn a costume? It's fucking hard to see where you're going through a mask unless it's tightly fitted to your face with huge eye-holes - I cant imagine trying to walk pretty quickly without tripping/stumbling. The subject even turns to look at the camera while still walking and doesn't miss a beat.

LOL holy shit, dude is walking in a straight line in a clearing with absolutely nothing in front of him. if we have to resort to using that as evidence its real, maybe we should err on the side of caution and say its probably a hoax until real proof is provided...

 

[BluntForceTrama]

Another thing, is a bloke in an ape suit walking through brush (however thin the brush is), wouldn't move that smoothly. Have you ever worn a costume? It's fucking hard to see where you're going through a mask unless it's tightly fitted to your face with huge eye-holes - I cant imagine trying to walk pretty quickly without tripping/stumbling. The subject even turns to look at the camera while still walking and doesn't miss a beat.

The other last thing I want to get out is the prep work psychology involved here if it were a prank hoax

if you're the hoaxter thinking of doing this, you're just worried the hair looks passable, and the face looks pretty close because what the hell, we plan on shooting about 90 feet away after he stabilized the fake shake..... no need to worry about herniated
Thighs, my Bigfoot ass, back muscles, details like the worn out side from the arm brushing the love handles over time, and let's not forget about some huge tits....
Yeah let's add all these unnecessary details.

why is that thing so massive (like I said I'm an experienced civil engineer, I know what shit looks like from far away ) with Definition and mamaries?

 

[IloveTHIS]

The other last thing I want to get out is the prep work psychology involved here if it were a prank hoax

if you're the hoaxter thinking of doing this, you're just worried the hair looks passable, and the face looks pretty close because what the hell, we plan on shooting about 90 feet away after he stabilized the fake shake..... no need to worry about herniated
Thighs, my Bigfoot ass, back muscles, details like the worn out side from the arm brushing the love handles over time, and let's not forget about some huge tits....
Yeah let's add all these unnecessary details.

why is that thing so massive (like I said I'm an experienced civil engineer, I know what shit looks like from far away ) with Definition and mamaries?

bro I know mass when I see it bro. that duck is a solid 400lbs, easy bro. look how thick it is. that is no ordinary human in a costume. its not possible to make costumes that thick bro, that solids MASS.

I really do not have a vested interest in bigfoot. maybe it was real at one point, who knows. but the "logic" so many people latch on to in order to believe the PG video is just......wow

 

[BluntForceTrama]

LOL holy shit, dude is walking in a straight line in a clearing with absolutely nothing in front of him. if we have to resort to using that as evidence its real, maybe we should err on the side of caution and say its probably a hoax until real proof is provided...

You're actually missing the point of this thread since I'm the OP It gets tiring to constantly have to say this but my beef isn't with Bigfoot I'm not saying they exist I'm not even saying this is Bigfoot as an argument

fuck all the heresy and possibly erroneous backdrop on this tale

my only thing and I've said it a lot is that the thing in this video is not human That's really the only conclusion that can be drawn from just viewing this video right ?

that's my opinion

 

[IloveTHIS]

You're actually missing the point of this thread since I'm the OP It gets tiring to constantly have to say this but my beef isn't with Bigfoot I'm not saying they exist I'm not even saying this is Bigfoot as an argument

fuck all the heresy and possibly erroneous backdrop on this tale

my only thing and I've said it a lot is that the thing in this video is not human

that's my opinion

no shit. I think every single person that has read the thread understands your stance guy.....you think its bigfoot even if you wont say it outright. I and many others are just having a riot at the reason you list why you feel that way. its not complicated, you don't have to break it down.

"I'm not saying its bigfoot. I'm just saying its not a human in costume is all"

ok, the fuck is it then guy? a horse?


god. I made it a goal to not be a jerk in 2021 but I cant help but say something when some of the proof of this video's "legitimacy" includes walking in a straight line in an open area and turning your head. jesus christ

 

[The_Renaissance]

The other last thing I want to get out is the prep work psychology involved here if it were a prank hoax

if you're the hoaxter thinking of doing this, you're just worried the hair looks passable, and the face looks pretty close because what the hell, we plan on shooting about 90 feet away after he stabilized the fake shake..... no need to worry about herniated
Thighs, my Bigfoot ass, back muscles, details like the worn out side from the arm brushing the love handles over time, and let's not forget about some huge tits....
Yeah let's add all these unnecessary details.

why is that thing so massive (like I said I'm an experienced civil engineer, I know what shit looks like from far away ) with Definition and mamaries?

I will say, I've read loads about this and apparently a lot depends on what speed the camera was filming on. According to experts, if it was filming at a rate of X, the subject is around 7-8ft tall. If it was filming at a rate of Y, however, it could be between 5-6ft tall. And there's no real way of knowing, apparently, what speed it was filming at - they just have Patterson's word to go by and that's all.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

I will say, I've read loads about this and apparently a lot depends on what speed the camera was filming on. According to experts, if it was filming at a rate of X, the subject is around 7-8ft tall. If it was filming at a rate of Y, however, it could be between 5-6ft tall. And there's no real way of knowing, apparently, what speed it was filming at - they just have Patterson's word to go by and that's all.

Interesting Well I read that they estimated the height of 6'5" conservatively based upon the trunk girth's of the aspens behind in some frames Seemed a bit more reliable in estimation