Patterson Gimlin Bigfoot Video

[LHWBelt]

this question has crossed my mind a few times

it's partly why i find this so unsettling

If you look at the feet of the most developed primates today they still have very monkey type feet This thing looks part monkey but has man feet?

What in the flying F?

if it's anywhere near real then it's the missing link

The link to what?

 

[BluntForceTrama]

The link to what?

Evolutionary scientists are perplexed how man made the leap in brain size and other massive changes from pre-man to modern man

It's like there is a page or two missing

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I think the same way. That butt is what keeps me a skeptic. A huge bipedal ape, those glutes should be jiggling like a Kardashian. Plus no butt crack. Gonna be a really dirty douche with all that hair in the way.

well if thousands of eyewitness accounts are to be taken seriously the incredibly terrible smell of these things is an extremely common feature.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Looks kinda real to me. I dont really understand the Bigfoot hype though. If this is real footage then obviously it's an extinct or close to extinct species. What makes it special? There's plenty of apes that exhibit human qualities so I dont get why we're so hung up on Bigfoot. We never find bodies so if its real it's likely extinct and this is one of the last ones.


What makes Bigfoot so important is my question. If it's real, why do we care so much? It's just another likely extinct species of ape.

if you only include the PG footage i think most people would be fascinated and scientists especially would be blown away by a bipedal primate living undetected in north america. it would be one of the most important discoveries in our lifetimes.

but if you taken into account the thousands of sightings and encounters in the woods by hunters, hunting guides and survivalists and also regular folk out for a hike the puzzle becomes much more interesting and complex.

taking these into account we seem to be dealing with a highly intelligent being somewhere between human and primate and that would be deeply fascinating.

i have also thought about the possibility that it is a nearly extinct creature. it cant be extinct yet though as there are too many sightings but this notion has appealed to me for explaining why we don't have a body. however the reported intelligence of these beings is also a good explanation for that problem.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

if you only include the PG footage i think most people would be fascinated and scientists especially would be blown away by a bipedal primate living undetected in north america. it would be one of the most important discoveries in our lifetimes.

but if you taken into account the thousands of sightings and encounters in the woods by hunters, hunting guides and survivalists and also regular folk out for a hike the puzzle becomes much more interesting and complex.

taking these into account we seem to be dealing with a highly intelligent being somewhere between human and primate and that would be deeply fascinating.

i have also thought about the possibility that it is a nearly extinct creature. it cant be extinct yet though as there are too many sightings but this notion has appealed to me for explaining why we don't have body. however the reported intelligence of these beings is also a good explanation for that problem.

i think I'm most pulled by Indian folklore and the fact that a creature like this goes deep into the history of native Americans who seemed to know this thing very well

Do they have a motivation to hoax or make this up?

to them it was a spiritual being and not something real

I myself don't really buy that possibly populations of these exist completely hidden in North America The fact we haven't had a significant video since the advent of camera phones is perplexing to me

just because the wilderness in North America is vast doesn't mean coincidence and mistakes/accidents don't happen

and yet I'd be willing to bet a mortgage that thing in the PG video is not human

 

[Deleted member 577981]

i think I'm most pulled by Indian folklore and the fact that a creature like this goes deep into the history of native Americans who seemed to know this thing very well

Do they have a motivation to hoax or make this up?

to them it was a spiritual being and not something real

I myself don't really buy that possibly populations of these exist completely hidden in North America The fact we haven't had a significant video since the advent of camera phones is perplexing to me

and yet I'd be willing to bet a mortgage that thing in the PG video is not human

it is such a fascinating topic man and its hard to make sense of all of it. i have not really shared much of what i think about the true origins of bigfoot though out of respect for the ts who has done a great job in this thread and who has made the discussion very narrowly defined. i think the story is much weirder than presented here personally.

i want to say though that many native tribes do and did see bigfoot as a real physical being. there are accounts of them coming in and stealing women from tribes even. bob gymlan on youtube does a whole segment on this fact and on top of that he shows images of apes made by tribes before those people had knowledge of the existence of apes.

@BluntForceTrama edit-- lol at me not noticing you are the ts!!!! i often avoid looking at who im talking to to avoid biases.

 

[FWRazorback]

would

 

[Kiyashin]

well if thousands of eyewitness accounts are to be taken seriously the incredibly terrible smell of these things is an extremely common feature.

I was talking about Patterson-Gimlin film which is still the best evidence for Bigfoot. Thousands of eyewitness accounts yet none as good as PG. Doesn't mean Bigfoot isn't real but the hunt for more evidence must continue because I dont think PG is any kind of smoking gun. Not even close.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I was talking about Patterson-Gimlin film which is still the best evidence for Bigfoot. Thousands of eyewitness accounts yet none as good as PG. Doesn't mean Bigfoot isn't real but the hunt for more evidence must continue because I dont think PG is any kind of smoking gun. Not even close.

I hear you man. I just cannot discount the kind of extreemly qualified hunting, tracking and survival experts who claim to see them or signs of them. For me, aside from certain highly detailed track castings i think these witnesses provide the best reason to consider the topic worthy of study.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

I hear you man. I just cannot discount the kind of extreemly qualified hunting, tracking and survival experts who claim to see them or signs of them. For me, aside from certain highly detailed track castings i think these witnesses provide the best reason to consider the topic worthy of study.

Rogan had that skeptic show for a while
He said he was full on wanting to believe before the show but then he met all these Bigfoot witnesses with their stories and became less of a believer

said they were all kind of apergeryish to some degree lol

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Rogan had that skeptic show for a while
He said he was full on wanting to believe before the show but then he met all these Bigfoot witnesses with their stories and became less of a believer

said they were all kind of apergeryish to some degree lol

im no fan of rogan so i don't really care what he ended up thinking about the issue.

however part of the problem is that when you really start to listen to eye witness accounts a lot of other strange element start to show up that really would push a lot of people away.

just thinking about survivorman's less stroud and how he had an encounter in alaska, way off trail while doing a show and another while living off the grid way off trail that he could not explain that sounded a lot like bigfoot. anyway this caused him to begin serious investigation and while doing so, while having experiences with what ought to be a primate living in the woods he also began having experiences that can only be classified as paranormal.

this is very common and it is enough for many people to wash their hands of the whole topic. i personally think it is a defining feature of the whole topic though.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

im no fan of rogan so i don't really care what he ended up thinking about the issue.

however part of the problem is that when you really start to listen to eye witness accounts a lot of other strange element start to show up that really would push a lot of people away.

just thinking about survivorman's less stroud and how he had an encounter in alaska, way off trail while doing a show and another while living off the grid way off trail that he could not explain that sounded a lot like bigfoot. anyway this caused him to begin serious investigation and while doing so, while having experiences with what ought to be a primate living in the woods he also began having experiences that can only be classified as paranormal.

this is very common and it is enough for many people to wash their hands of the whole topic. i personally think it is a defining feature of the whole topic though.

Dismiss him or not I understand what Joes talking about and that probably accounts for 90% of the reported sightings

he's talking about kooks like Bobo (fFindiing Bigfoot) or Freeman from the famous Freeman video.... good ole kooky country boys who aren't very sophisticated and more bent on emotion than logic. Presumptuous with massive confirmation bias.

I do appreciate Les Strouds account for what it is but he still didn't actually see anything so as much as I want to believe him, it doesn't really count in my eyes and it's certainly not empirical evidence.

hope you see where I'm coming from with this I can't even call what's captured in PG video as Bigfoot I can only say without a shadow of doubt that it isn't human

 

[Dan Torrance]

Ive spent a lotta time up in those Redwoods, dealing with the hill people that live there
Its more likely that thats a hairy ass 6th generation inbred hillbilly demon baby produced by a granny on grandson four way fuck fest

go on.

 

[Dan Torrance]

Evolutionary scientists are perplexed how man made the leap in brain size and other massive changes from pre-man to modern man

It's like there is a page or two missing

nah, they found the missing links a ways back.


see links not link but links.

 

[djacobox372]

Evolutionary scientists are perplexed how man made the leap in brain size and other massive changes from pre-man to modern man

It's like there is a page or two missing

Where did you hear that? You reading books 100+ years old or something? The fossil evidence showing the consistent and gradual increase in brain size over the last 4 million years is very well documented.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Dismiss him or not I understand what Joes talking about and that probably accounts for 90% of the reported sightings

he's talking about kooks like Bobo (fFindiing Bigfoot) or Freeman from the famous Freeman video.... good ole kooky country boys who aren't very sophisticated and more bent on emotion than logic. Presumptuous with massive confirmation bias.

I do appreciate Les Strouds account for what it is but he still didn't actually see anything so as much as I want to believe him, it doesn't really count in my eyes and it's certainly not empirical evidence.

hope you see where I'm coming from with this I can't even call what's captured in PG video as Bigfoot I can only say without a shadow of doubt that it isn't human

no doubt there is a lot of that going on and i do see your point but i am of a different mind entirely. there are a lot of things going on in this world that are completely unknown by scientific investigation or by popular understanding. as far as i am concerned that's just the way it is in this world. most people go on thinking that our present understanding and paradigms are real, solid and reliable when i think they are far from that.

my main takeaway with bigfoot is that far too many people that begin to investigate this reality begin to experience a ton of things that are paranormal. less stroud is an example. his alaskan experiences are almost certainly bigfoot imo and based on his experience in the wild i think he is more reliable than almost any type of person on the planet right up there with professional hunters and hunting guides as experts in their field.

these kinds of people start taking the bigfoot thing seriously and then all kinds of crazy seemingly unconnected paranormal phenomenon start to take place in their lives. ive heard some things from people in this field who have no platform and it is striking what they experience out in the woods.

personally i think this is because bigfoot exists squarely in the center of the paranormal spectrum. but i dont think that is as weird or strange as it sounds or "out there". i think we live in an age so inundated with scientific arrogance from the enlightenment that we have thrown out a ton of spiritual wisdom that it took thousands of years to develop hone and perfect, and are now just simply not seeing the world for what it really is. its a collective amnesia and denial that simply does not allow for anything to exist unless its been proven in a lab.

my best guess if i were to be forced to define what bigfoot is would be expressed through jungian thinking. bigfoot probably does not exist in the strictest sense. it is probably a mythology that we have collectively dreamed up.

jung thought this about much of the ufo phenomenon too but that did not mean he thought one could not have a direct encounter with ufo's, see them, or that they could not leave trace evidence. they can manifest physically but don't have a strict historical existence.

 

[superpunch]

no doubt there is a lot of that going on and i do see your point but i am of a different mind entirely. there are a lot of things going on in this world that are completely unknown by scientific investigation or by popular understanding. as far as i am concerned that's just the way it is in this world. most people go on thinking that our present understanding and paradigms are real, solid and reliable when i think they are far from that.

my main takeaway with bigfoot is that far too many people that begin to investigate this reality begin to experience a ton of things that are paranormal. less stroud is an example. his alaskan experiences are almost certainly bigfoot imo and based on his experience in the wild i think he is more reliable than almost any type of person on the planet right up there with professional hunters and hunting guides as experts in their field.

these kinds of people start taking the bigfoot thing seriously and then all kinds of crazy seemingly unconnected paranormal phenomenon start to take place in their lives. ive heard some things from people in this field who have no platform and it is striking what they experience out in the woods.

personally i think this is because bigfoot exists squarely in the center of the paranormal spectrum. but i dont think that is as weird or strange as it sounds or "out there". i think we live in an age so inundated with scientific arrogance from the enlightenment that we have thrown out a ton of spiritual wisdom that it took thousands of years to develop hone and perfect, and are now just simply not seeing the world for what it really is. its a collective amnesia and denial that simply does not allow for anything to exist unless its been proven in a lab.

my best guess if i were to be forced to define what bigfoot is would be expressed through jungian thinking. bigfoot probably does not exist in the strictest sense. it is probably a mythology that we have collectively dreamed up.

jung thought this about much of the ufo phenomenon too but that did not mean he thought one could not have a direct encounter with ufo's, see them, or that they could not leave trace evidence. they can manifest physically but don't have a strict historical existence.

Reality is only as we perceive it. After all, our senses only bring in a small amount of the information around us. Many stuff like thermal, high pitched sounds, tachyons, neutrinos, dark matter, etc. are simply out of our ability to perceive but are still very real. It is likely that Bigfoot and other phenomena that we encounter as "paranormal" fit into this paradigm. They are very real but in a way that we don't have the ability to perceive yet. Yet, sometimes they do briefly cross into our ability to perceive.

 

[superpunch]

In my opinion the Patterson video is a man in a gillie suit with Bigfoot shoes

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Reality is only as we perceive it. After all, our senses only bring in a small amount of the information around us. Many stuff like thermal, high pitched sounds, tachyons, neutrinos, dark matter, etc. are simply out of our ability to perceive but are still very real. It is likely that Bigfoot and other phenomena that we encounter as "paranormal" fit into this paradigm. They are very real but in a way that we don't have the ability to perceive yet. Yet, sometimes they do briefly cross into our ability to perceive.

i like this post overall. the only thing i would push back on is that i think there is objective reality. whatever reality is, it really is that way. we just know so little and see so little that much of reality is beyond our comprehension and awareness and grasp.

 

[Bald1]

no doubt there is a lot of that going on and i do see your point but i am of a different mind entirely. there are a lot of things going on in this world that are completely unknown by scientific investigation or by popular understanding. as far as i am concerned that's just the way it is in this world. most people go on thinking that our present understanding and paradigms are real, solid and reliable when i think they are far from that.

my main takeaway with bigfoot is that far too many people that begin to investigate this reality begin to experience a ton of things that are paranormal. less stroud is an example. his alaskan experiences are almost certainly bigfoot imo and based on his experience in the wild i think he is more reliable than almost any type of person on the planet right up there with professional hunters and hunting guides as experts in their field.

these kinds of people start taking the bigfoot thing seriously and then all kinds of crazy seemingly unconnected paranormal phenomenon start to take place in their lives. ive heard some things from people in this field who have no platform and it is striking what they experience out in the woods.

personally i think this is because bigfoot exists squarely in the center of the paranormal spectrum. but i dont think that is as weird or strange as it sounds or "out there". i think we live in an age so inundated with scientific arrogance from the enlightenment that we have thrown out a ton of spiritual wisdom that it took thousands of years to develop hone and perfect, and are now just simply not seeing the world for what it really is. its a collective amnesia and denial that simply does not allow for anything to exist unless its been proven in a lab.

my best guess if i were to be forced to define what bigfoot is would be expressed through jungian thinking. bigfoot probably does not exist in the strictest sense. it is probably a mythology that we have collectively dreamed up.

jung thought this about much of the ufo phenomenon too but that did not mean he thought one could not have a direct encounter with ufo's, see them, or that they could not leave trace evidence. they can manifest physically but don't have a strict historical existence.

The main reason I don't dismiss Bigfoot as readily as other skeptics is because of the consistentcy of sightings over the years. Yeah, Sasquatch seems improbable, but so does the idea that so many different people are either full of shit or experiencing mass hysteria sometimes centuries and hundreds of miles removed from each other.

I wonder if the phenomenon is some kind of genetic memory or malfunctioning evolutionary response to a now extinct threat. Yet that doesn't explain those claiming to have first hand encounters.

I guess as much of a misanthrope as I can be at times, I have a tough time condemning hundreds of people of all backgrounds as kooks or scam artists en masse.